About Mounir Nakhla
Mounir Nakhla, founder and CEO of MNT-Halan, discussed the company's evolution and his views on fintech in emerging markets during an AWS Founders Series session published on October 1, 2025. He stated that his journey began in 2010 by selling two- and three-wheelers on credit, which grew into providing financial services for micro and small businesses and consumers. Nakhla described MNT-Halan as a hybrid fintech with both an app and physical branches, operating in Egypt, Turkey, the UAE, and Pakistan, and serving more than 8 million customers. He reflected on periods of high stress, including 2019 to mid-2021 and a three-month period in 2014, and noted that a turning point came when he realized he was raising $15 million that would be burned through in less than 12 months, at a time when the venture capital world was focused on growth rather than unit economics or path to profitability.
Nakhla commented on the challenges of scaling in emerging markets, saying that while it is easy to raise $10-15 million, raising $100 million for a loss-making business is difficult, and that once US interest rates increased, funding in his region dropped quickly. He cited examples of startups that went bust due to a lack of funding. Regarding currency devaluation in Africa, Nakhla said that MNT-Halan's business adjusts quickly because the average loan size is dollar-denominated or linked to inflation and exchange rates. He also expressed a positive view of stablecoins, stating that they have potential as a hedge in emerging economies, though he noted that regulation varies by country.
Source: AI-verified profile updated from Mounir Nakhla's recent appearances.
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Hi. So, very warm welcome to everyone. Thanks for joining the call. If you're listening to this as a recording, thanks for doing so as well. Hopefully, you're going to get a lot out of the next hour. If you are here with us live, I really look forward to having your questions that are coming through. As you know, this is a rearranged session. We're very happy that Mounir was able to find a new time for us to chat with him and hear about his story. I've been looking forward to it for some time now. For you, if you don't know, Mounir now is the co-founder and CEO of MNT Halan, Egypt's first unicorn and perhaps still its only unicorn. We can ask about that in a bit. I'm hoping to learn a little bit about the sector in Egypt, a place that I've visited many years ago but know very little about. Let's just start with a warm welcome. Mounir, if you'd like to give us a quick intro to yourself and tell us a little bit about MNT Halan for anyone that doesn't know what this company actually does.
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Mounir Nakhla1:15
So my name is Mounir Nakhla. I'm the founder and CEO of MNT Halan. I started my journey in 2010 selling two-and three-wheelers on credit, and then this grew into providing financial services for micro and small businesses and consumers and individuals. Today we are probably the largest non-bank provider of financial services through technology. So we're a fintech with an app. We're a hybrid model. We've got branches and an application. We're present in four countries: Egypt, Turkey, UAE, and Pakistan. We've served more than 8 million customers. We're a credit-led fintech, so our core business is access to funding. We've dispersed north of $15 billion since inception. We currently have about 2.5 million active customers and a loan book of $1.5 billion.
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It's an incredible set of stats that you've shared with us. Let's go back in time. I really want to know how you got to this point. I mean, what you're doing now is absolutely incredible. Where did the journey start?
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Mounir Nakhla2:49
It depends how far back you want me to go. So it started off when I was at university and I was studying the impact of microfinance, which is what my uncle used to do back in the day. He was in the field of microfinance in a consulting capacity. When I traveled the villages and cities of Egypt, I realized there's a very different Egypt, a very different economy than the one I grew up in, and that was the first inspiration. The next step was founding a tuk-tuk financing business, a light vehicle financing business in 2010. Then we developed a microfinance business in 2014.
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Let's stop about that because I like these transitions. It's always interesting to understand from people how to make these transitions. So you've gone to university, studied microfinance. That's a huge step to go and actually start lending money with all the risk.
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Mounir Nakhla3:58
It took me about eight years of learning the skills of the trade. I got approached by Egypt's largest automotive distributor and they were launching their tuk-tuk business. They were selling about 30,000 a year and they said, 'Mounir, we think if we can introduce credit to this product, we can sell 100,000 a year.' And we did reach 100,000 a few years later.
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Were you bought in immediately when they came to you? Did you immediately think, 'Yeah, this is a brilliant idea, we're going to be wanting in,' or did you take a lot of convincing?
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Mounir Nakhla4:35
My initial gut feeling was yes, let's do it. I wanted to establish a company, to be an equity holder, to have my own thing that I'm driving. I had to assess the viability of the product. I traveled about three hours from Cairo to the largest village where they used to sell tuk-tuks. I stopped a tuk-tuk driver and asked, 'How much did you buy this for and who did you buy it from?' Then I went to the person who sold it and asked, 'How much did you buy this for and how many are you selling?' I went up the whole supply chain and realized there's about 20% margin trading margin in the tuk-tuk, let alone the financing margin. That helped me enormously in my negotiation with my partners because I told them, 'Listen, you guys are importers. I'm going to distribute and finance, and I want a trading margin.' That changed the economics of the whole company dramatically.
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Well, you're not worried about people paying the money back? When I think about tuk-tuks, there's a few floating around in South Africa. I think about motorbikes in India, these cheap methods of transport. I come from a banking background, so we're very risk-averse. I think to myself, there's no real collateral, no security. I can imagine handing out money and never seeing anything back, with huge default rates. You obviously saw something different.
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Mounir Nakhla6:29
Yes. The tuk-tuk in Egypt was operating as a revenue-generating business. It was more of a taxi than for personal use, commercial use. The payback on the tuk-tuk was about eight months if you pay it in installments. It made a lot of economic sense, and that gave me comfort to lend. And it's also asset-backed; there's an actual vehicle worth $2,000.
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Yeah, if you can find it. But you've entered the market. You had to find partners to back you. Was it like, we're going in big, finance 100,000 tuk-tuks with significant financing? Or was it let's run a couple of prototypes, start with the first 10 or 20, then scale up?
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Mounir Nakhla7:48
We seeded the company for about $2 million at the time in 2010. That for me was a lot of money. We then leveraged, and that was a big mindset change. I went to a bank. The business was going well. We launched in late December 2009, sold the first 64 tuk-tuks in March 2010. By June, I was signing a loan agreement with the first bank for another $2 million, provided we increase the capital a bit. That was a game-changer because it was my first introduction to leverage. I said, 'First, I'm making money with my own money, but then I'm making money on other people's money.' That was brilliant.
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That was obviously a banker's money. The story could have ended there, couldn't it? You could have ended up scaling and being very successful, maybe taking the model to other countries. But this wasn't enough to keep you interested. When was the next pivot or augmentation?
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Mounir Nakhla9:26
This journey kept on going. I said, 'Okay, now we've got a distribution network. We have 200, 400 locations. Let's add motorcycles, cargo tricycles, refrigerators.' I just kept adding products. We were selling while paying value-added tax because there were no licenses for private companies to lend money. The law changed in late 2014. Earlier in 2014, the government had banned the importation of tuk-tuks for three months, which was very tough on me and the company. But when the lending license came out in late 2014, I rushed to establish a microfinance company. That was a big turning point because we started doing a very different product: group loans for women, and then business lending.
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When did you start to think about ride sharing?
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Mounir Nakhla10:45
In 2017, I get a call from one of my shareholders. He told me, 'Mounir, you've done this fantastic company. You're big into vehicle financing, so you have a stronghold on owners of motorcycles, three-wheelers, and cargo tricycles. I would like to encourage you to come to Indonesia and meet the founder of Gojek.' I spent a whole day with the founder of Gojek. At the time, Gojek was a billion-dollar company doing ride-hailing and delivery, established in 2015. We were around for seven years, transacting at about $150-160 million valuation. I asked, 'Why are they so much more valuable than we are?' The bottom line was technology. VCs were flooding money, interest rates were getting less, and there was a lot of investment in technology. I said, 'Okay, I can do ride-hailing. I can get as many drivers as I need. I need an application and marketing.' That's when I started looking for a partner and found Ahmed Mosaad, who co-founded Halan with me. Halan started as a ride-hailing company. By 2019, we were doing about 3 million rides a month. We introduced e-commerce and our own closed-loop wallet. We were still learning, but we were burning $1 million a month. A million dollars a month was hard to digest. In summer 2019, I was raising a $15 million round and thought, 'What am I doing? I'm raising $15 million that I'm going to burn through in less than 12 months, and then I'll be out raising again.' That was a big turning point. The VC world wasn't talking about unit economics or path to profitability; it was all about growth. I went to Ahmed and said, 'Something's wrong with this ride-hailing business. If we increase prices, rides go down. If we reduce driver incentives, drivers stop working. I see drivers doing rides with family members just to meet incentive targets.' He asked what I suggested. I told him, 'I've got the lending business. Lending won't scale without the right technology. Our systems are breaking down. If we put all our energy into financial services, it's going to be a game-changer.' Ahmed's buy-in was incredibly important. I then had to approach two sets of shareholders: one focused on profitability and a solid finance company, and the VCs and tech shareholders. The VCs said, 'Why do you want to partner with these guys? We're going to disrupt them. You'll do ride-hailing and then financial services.' The other side said, 'Why do we want to buy a loss-making company with 70-90 engineers and a big brand name?' The only way forward was to raise fresh equity and buy out those who didn't like my vision. This was happening in Q4 2019, and COVID hit in early 2020. I had to practice patience and meditation. Even with COVID, the loan book was deteriorating. We managed to close the round in 2021, raising $120 million, mostly for secondary transactions to buy off shareholders who didn't want to combine. Since then, it's been an incredible ride. We built proprietary core banking software, Neuron, on microservices. We added an open-loop wallet, grew e-commerce, and introduced savings and investment products.
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You make it sound so easy. Let's unpack a few things. I'm interested in the point where you decided Ahmed was the person to co-found this pivot. Finding a good partner can be the death knell for many. Others say they don't want a co-founder, they want to employ or outsource. You went through a definite decision process to work with someone as equals. Why was that, and how did you find Ahmed?
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Mounir Nakhla18:44
Ahmed was recommended by a friend and top VCs. I knew he complemented my skill set with little overlap. We're very different in how we operate. He has a cool demeanor, good sense of humor, great social skills, and is a math and tech whiz. There was chemistry. It took a while to convince him. He started building through his company at arm's length, then I suggested an acqui-hire and equity. He was skeptical that the masses in Egypt were tech savvy enough for ride-hailing. I assured him there's a whole other Egypt of 110 million, and it was an eye-opener. That gave me credibility.
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You may have been loss-making, but that's normal for most companies. Uber was loss-making for many years. The story was about growth. How did you proceed with getting drivers and clients in Cairo?
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Mounir Nakhla21:23
I'll address the loss-making first. Uber and Amazon were born in the US with abundant funding and different VC stages. In our side of the world, it's easy to raise $10-15 million, but try raising $100 million for a loss-making business. It gets challenging. That's what I saw coming. Once interest rates increased, money dried up. Many startups went bust. I'm glad we did what we did when we did. Regarding acquisition, we had a huge database of drivers from selling motorcycles and three-wheelers. We tapped into that and used our distribution across Egypt's 26 governorates. We also had an online form. There was an inspection to ensure the vehicle was in good shape.
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While you're talking about investment, has the landscape changed? I've chatted with investors. There's been a retraction for funding in Africa, with demand going to the US and AI. There seems less interest in Africa. Do you think it's getting better?
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Mounir Nakhla24:19
We've been consistent with fundraising. We raised in 2018, 2021, 2023, 2024. The last round was over $100 million to acquire a Turkish business. We've cumulatively raised $400-500 million. The narrative is we're a tech company with strong focus on technology, growth, and profitability in dollar terms. The problem with Africa is currency devaluation. Even if you perform well in local currency, steep devaluation hurts investors. Our business adjusts quickly because the average loan size is dollar-denominated or linked to inflation. We've consistently grown in dollar terms.
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Host26:23
Let's go back to the other question: how did you get riders to learn about you, sign up, and trust you?
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Mounir Nakhla26:37
We had a huge database of drivers because we were selling tens of thousands of motorcycles and three-wheelers. We first tapped into that and used our distribution and contacts across Egypt. We also had an online form where you could download the app and join. There was an inspection to ensure the vehicle was in good shape.
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Host27:24
It seems you're very studied. The story where you drove three hours to meet people and talk—you seem to do a lot of research.
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Mounir Nakhla27:51
I ask a lot of questions. I'm curious and like to get to the bottom of things. As a child, the word at the tip of my tongue was 'why'. I'd just keep asking why to go through the layers.
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Host28:20
Was it stressful in 2019 with the $1 million monthly loss? That would be incredibly stressful for me.
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Mounir Nakhla28:50
It was incredibly stressful. In 2018, I sold some shares and made a bit of money. You'd think I'd be partying, but I was stressed. It took me until summer 2021 to breathe again. Those two years, plus the three months in 2014 when tuk-tuk imports were banned, were the most difficult periods.
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How do you get through it? People don't talk enough about stress and courage. I've never met a successful person without difficult moments.
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Mounir Nakhla30:14
A big part is knowing that good times don't last and bad times don't last. We navigate our own journey. If you know there will be sunshine after the rain, you wake up, put cold water on your face, and push forward. Also, try to have a good time, experience joy, social warmth, and time alone. I practice Tai Chi, go to the gym, and play paddle.
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Host31:48
So a mixture of physical and mental activity, and the people around you. You can't do this alone. How many people are in the company now?
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Mounir Nakhla32:41
Thousands. The tech team alone is about 120-150. We have field agents, but the head office is about 1,500. Turkey has 1,000 people.
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You've reached the point where you probably don't know every staff member. How did you find that journey? Did you have to reinvent yourself as a CEO?
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Mounir Nakhla33:43
I had to reinvent myself. It comes with aging. The 30-year-old is not like the 40-something. One has to readjust. I used to be a branch manager, reviewing credit cases one by one. Then I became area manager, COO, CEO. I learned on the job.
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Did you ever worry your entrepreneurial skills wouldn't transition to being CEO of a large corporate?
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Mounir Nakhla35:07
I never worried about that. There are many other things I worry about, but not that.
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What do you worry about?
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Mounir Nakhla35:26
I don't worry about a lot of things. I practice the law of acceptance. When things happen, you accept them and try to push forward.
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Let's talk about the merger or the next pivot. You decided to wind down ride-sharing, refocus on the app and lending, and then you merged with a group from the Netherlands?
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Mounir Nakhla36:25
No, we didn't merge. We relocated our head office to the Netherlands as part of restructuring. The next big move was Turkey. We decided to expand through acquisition. It was probably one of the largest moves I've made. I negotiated an acquisition north of $150 million when the money wasn't readily available. I was fundraising and acquiring in parallel. I loved the management team—similar culture and work. It took nearly 15-16 months to close.
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Host38:09
How did you get into that transaction? Had you been looking for acquisitions?
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Mounir Nakhla38:27
I'm a deal maker by nature. I like deals. I thought, we're the market leader in Egypt. What's the next big thing? My job is to move the company from a billion to five billion. The best way is to have growth avenues in different countries. I had a meeting with EBRD who were interested to invest, and they pointed out this company in Turkey. An advisor suggested looking at Turkey. We went around, and I mentioned a company I knew. The advisor knew a shareholder. I met the management and said, 'This is a slam dunk.' It was a strong marriage: two countries with 100 million population each, Turkey's economy three times Egypt's.
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We have a couple of questions coming in. From Philip Diaga: 'With a no-code SaaS platform focused on B2B, it's difficult to scale. Our clients mostly sell to consumers and make more money. Your thoughts?'
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Mounir Nakhla41:44
Whoever owns the customer is king. One should be 100% consumer-centric. If it's a B2B solution, it has to be integral to what they do with big value added, or it's hard to make big money. It's a tough market.
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From Yaser: 'Are you using AI in the company?'
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Mounir Nakhla42:22
In some domains. Ahmed is better suited to answer. In customer responses, call center bots, credit scoring models, behavioral models, we use AI. We also have a large language module that answers any question about profitability, risk, promotions, etc., because it's plugged into all our data.
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Host43:13
What are your thoughts on micro insurance?
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Mounir Nakhla43:21
For Egypt, we're not ready yet. For countries like South Africa, it's essential. It depends on the market. In Egypt, people might say, 'You're giving us money from one hand and taking it from the other.' But micro insurance in South Africa is integral to the lending ecosystem. It's an easy cross-sell.
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Host43:49
As you mentioned South Africa, are there plans for expansion there?
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Mounir Nakhla43:59
We explored for a year, looking at partners. We weren't able to reach an agreement, but it's a very interesting market with various players. I've looked at publicly listed consumer finance companies. It's a big, more developed market than Egypt.
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Host44:31
I sit in Cape Town and sometimes feel there are so many fintechs. Do you see it as cramped?
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Mounir Nakhla44:48
I looked at numbers of a few companies. Growth is strong. The good ones are building the right ecosystem for the customer with payments, insurance, fee-based revenue. There are interesting plays in South Africa.
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Host45:12
You said you see yourself as a dealmaker. You've also talked about serving underbanked communities. How do you marry deal-making with purpose?
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Mounir Nakhla45:52
They're separate but connected. I believe people are agents for good or less good. I wanted to be an agent for good from a young age. I knew I wanted to make money, so if I can provide access to finance in underserved communities, that's a win. The purpose of my career is benefiting society. I've experienced the power of leverage, and for small businesses, it's a multiple of that. Regarding deal-making, finding the sweet spot for two parties to agree is difficult. People listen to themselves, not the other side. If you listen with an open mind, you can understand the underlying need. Sometimes they want a good return, not a cheap price. Address the return issue, not the price.
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Host48:22
It's clear you're charismatic and have an ability to generate buy-in. Was that something you learned or were you born with it?
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Mounir Nakhla49:07
It's a skill that improved over time, but I've been somewhat talented in that regard. It boils down to having a clear chain of thought and conveying it clearly with a sense of humor. Storytelling is important. Facts don't always sell; stories do.
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Let's go back to the questions. Timm: 'Both mobility and fintech have powerful network effects. How proactive were you with your strategy?'
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Mounir Nakhla50:13
We were somewhat proactive but could have been more. Referral schemes came later, discounts came later. Some tools came in later rather than earlier.
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Host50:31
If you could go back, what would you do differently with network effects?
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Mounir Nakhla50:46
I'm still in it. We're still trying to promote network effects, gamify experiences to make customers stickier, reduce churn, and create network effects. We've used social networks for credit scoring—if you have a network of good borrowers, it increases your credit score.
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Host51:29
From Kagisa: 'For your lending business, what challenges did you encounter for initial funding?'
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Mounir Nakhla51:42
Banks. I spent years going from one bank to another. I had to convince small credit officers, then the risk team. I had to understand their constraints and give them comfort. It's a lot of lobbying and selling. If you promise numbers and deliver them, banks gain confidence. For some banks, I gave them live screens of our collection and portfolio performance. I see what they're concerned with and give them what they want.
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Host53:05
Your success comes from reading the market and making accurate predictions. You don't come across as someone who rests on laurels. Looking forward, where do you see the next pivots? AI and crypto/stablecoins?
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Mounir Nakhla54:18
AI is a tool to better serve customers. But the market is huge in what we're doing. My immediate strategy is to grow into other countries in the GCC, possibly Saudi Arabia. In UAE, we launched earned wage access—200,000 loans in the first year with three people. Pakistan we turned around the bank. Linking countries together creates synergies like remittances—Egypt collects $39-40 billion, Pakistan tens of billions. How do I move from 2 million to 10 million active customers? That's what I'm solving.
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Host55:42
Do you think stablecoins offer an opportunity for cross-border?
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Mounir Nakhla55:55
I think highly of stablecoins. Regulation has to allow it. In some countries it does, in others it doesn't. It's also a hedge in emerging economies. How does it compare to gold? You promote gold, stablecoins, and everything follows.
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Host56:29
We have three minutes left. I'm interested in Egypt's VC and startup scene. Do you see it as bright with opportunities opening up?
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Mounir Nakhla57:22
I'll answer your AI question quickly. Yes, AI will take jobs in the tens of millions. It's totally disruptive. In five years, the world won't look like now. Regarding Egypt's VC scene, we got hit post-COVID and interest rate hikes. But in the last year, Egypt performed well macroeconomically—currency stability, inflation down, foreign reserves up, FDI from GCC growing. I'm very bullish. VC money will come back to pre-COVID levels.
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We've run out of time. Thank you very much for joining us. Thank you for posting questions. Next is Flutterwave's founders story on November 19th. Big shout out to AWS Startups and Silicon Overdrive. To our ecosystem partners, thank you. Mounir, thank you very much.
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Mounir Nakhla59:30
Thank you. Looking forward to it.