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Anthony Scaramucci
Founder, SkyBridge Capital

Scaramucci: Trump’s Incompetence May Be What Saves Us- The Fifth Column

📅 May 15, 2026 The Fifth Column - A Podcast and Anthony Scaramucci 97 MIN 58135 VIEWS 74 SEGMENTS · 2 SPEAKERS
This Members Only episode is now UNLOCKED for you very special people. Anthony Scaramucci joins The Fifth Column to talk Trump 2.0, the working-class anger that fueled MAGA, immigration, ICE, crypto, political corruption, and why Trump’s own chaos may be one of the few things holding him back. Also: astrology, UAPs, Ryan Lizza, Steve Bannon, Citizens United, Gavin Newsom, Mamdani, and a very brief but memorable White House career. (0:00) Cold Open (0:18) Astrology Hour (2:29) UAPs (4:46) 954,000 Seconds (5:23) Ryan Lizza (7:05) Steve Bannon (11:58) What Trump Saw (19:12) Trump Economics (25...

What Anthony Scaramucci said

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Anthony Scaramucci discussed his criticism of Trump, calling him the fattest president since Taft and getting suspended from Twitter for 12 hours. He expressed skepticism about UAP reports, saying the US can't keep secrets. He called Steve Bannon the worst person he's met, accusing him of wanting to isolate the country and push out minorities. Scaramucci argued Trump's disorganization and incompetence may save the country from fascism, citing his 12 out of 12 score on Laurence Rees's fascism checklist. He advocated for constitutional amendments to end gerrymandering and overturn Citizens United, noting only 8% of congressional districts are contestable. He criticized Trump's economic policies as illegal tariffs and debt accumulation, while acknowledging Trump tapped into working-class grievances. He proposed legalizing undocumented immigrants to capture tax revenue and warned of K-shaped economic bifurcation.

Key takeaways

  1. Scaramucci scored Trump 12 out of 12 on Laurence Rees's fascism checklist, citing conspiracy theories, exploiting faith, and stoking fear.
  2. He said only 8% of 435 congressional districts are contestable, calling for a constitutional amendment to end gerrymandering.
  3. He called Steve Bannon the worst person he's met, accusing him of wanting to isolate the country and push out minorities.
  4. He argued Trump's disorganization and incompetence may save the country from fascism, as he's not listening to anyone.
  5. He advocated legalizing undocumented immigrants to capture the full tax umbrella, citing Milton Friedman's warning about welfare states.

Numbers and commitments

FigureWhat it refers toTypeAt
12 hours Twitter suspension for fat-shaming Trump timeline 0:10
65,000 factories Factories lost since NAFTA signing metric 15:55
26% Decline in father's 1976 wages by 2016 metric 15:55
$7 trillion US expenditure on Middle East war metric 12:36
$8.2 trillion Trump's first-term spending metric 20:49
122% Debt-to-GDP including Fed balance sheet metric 20:49
15% Poll number drop in Minnesota due to Miller metric 32:26
8% Contestable congressional districts metric 49:56
17 million People taken off Obamacare metric 42:49
9 times Increase in donations since Citizens United metric 41:50

Chapters

  1. 0:00Twitter suspension and astrology
  2. 2:34Skepticism on UAPs
  3. 5:24Ryan Lizza and firing
  4. 7:24Steve Bannon's danger
  5. 12:36Working-class grievances
  6. 19:13Economic vision and tariffs
  7. 25:35Immigration and border policy
  8. 32:26Trump's disorganization as saving grace
  9. 36:49Fascism checklist and amendments
  10. 42:49Gerrymandering and Citizens United

Questions asked in this interview

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  1. 0:09Did you actually get knocked off Twitter?
  2. 0:18You know these things. Are you into astrology?
  3. 0:38they thought everything was connected back then, right?
  4. 2:29Do you think this stuff's moving at 50,000 miles an hour is our stuff or you think it's somebody else's stuff?
  5. 3:55Yeah, why not? Have you seen?
  6. 5:10Why would you jip me out of that?
  7. 7:24Neither half. Do you believe in God?
  8. 8:28Was it those things that Trump liked, all that stuff?
  9. 15:49You said something in New Mexico at a rally. Am I remembering that right?
  10. 19:13So what is the economic vision?
  11. 30:30Is that a theory or is there documentation?
  12. 36:02Doesn't it argue against your use of the word 'fascism' when you point out that actions in Minneapolis saw his poll numbers collapse and he responded?
Anthony Scaramucci 0:00 ↗
When I called him the fattest president since William Howard Taft died. Wow. Yeah, that was harsh. And then I put up a little tiny emoji. I got knocked off of Twitter for fat shaming for 12 hours apparently.
Interviewer 0:09 ↗
Did you actually get knocked off Twitter?
Anthony Scaramucci 0:10 ↗
12 hours. I said Trump was the fattest president since William Howard Taft. That got me knocked off Twitter for 12 hours.
Interviewer 0:18 ↗
We know of new methods of attacks. You know these things. Are you into astrology?
Anthony Scaramucci 0:24 ↗
I know a lot about it actually. You know a lot about astrology.
Interviewer 0:26 ↗
Why? Really?
Anthony Scaramucci 0:27 ↗
Well, you know what they say. The millionaires don't believe in astrology, but the billionaires do.
Interviewer 0:32 ↗
Huh? Is that so? Which one are you? [laughter] I'm trying to figure it out. Do you believe in it?
Anthony Scaramucci 0:36 ↗
I know a lot about it.
Interviewer 0:38 ↗
Let me ask you something. If you're two-thirds water and one-third matter, which is the same composition as the Earth... Yes. And if half the population on the planet is set to a 28-day cycle, which is identical to the moon. So you think all of that's coincidental, right? Because 3,000 years ago when they were studying this, they didn't think that... they thought everything was connected back then, right? The lunar cycle... some of it may have been, some of the leeches may not have worked, but some of the other stuff may have. But the lunar cycle and astrology are very different. When we talk about astrology, they're talking about planets that move in retrograde, but we know planets don't actually move backwards. They just didn't understand how any of that stuff worked back then.
Anthony Scaramucci 1:26 ↗
Well, I don't think it's about that. I think it's about the position of the Earth in the context of the galaxy in the universe. They simply said that you're made out of stardust. Yeah. And as a result of that... Well, let me ask you this. I told you we should start. I didn't know how I knew, but I just kind of felt you coming in with your own operating system or not.
Interviewer 1:46 ↗
Yeah. What do you mean?
Anthony Scaramucci 1:47 ↗
I don't know. Let me get your mother on the phone. Let me ask her if she recognized you from day one and if you're the same person that you were 45 years ago.
Interviewer 1:56 ↗
Okay. Yeah. What would she say? [snorts]
Anthony Scaramucci 1:58 ↗
I think there are some similarities. Sure. You come in with an operating system. So they understood that. They understood that. Yeah. Did you follow the Artemis launch? Were you really excited about that? Are you into space travel? Because I'm old enough to remember the moon landings and I followed it. Yeah. Followed it, but not taken by it. I got a little emotional. I watched with my kids when they came back. I was looking at all the photos yesterday. The stars, the moon, kind of excited.
Interviewer 2:29 ↗
Do you think this stuff's moving at 50,000 miles an hour is our stuff or you think it's somebody else's stuff?
Anthony Scaramucci 2:34 ↗
What do you mean? What's that?
Interviewer 2:36 ↗
I don't know. These UAPs, they're us.
Anthony Scaramucci 2:39 ↗
Oh. Oh, that's where we are. [snorts] Um, I'm deeply skeptical of most of the UAP reporting that I've seen that suggests that the United States has recovered vehicles or biologics as I've heard some people refer to it.
Interviewer 2:54 ↗
So when these congressmen say they've been briefed about this stuff, you don't believe them?
Anthony Scaramucci 2:59 ↗
Well, did you see the story in the Wall Street Journal, maybe two years ago, about this hazing ritual in the Air Force and in various other branches where they were telling people that there was this secret government program to recover vehicles and reverse engineer the tech? It just kind of got out of hand, and over the course of years, many people were introduced to this. There are legions of people who believe these programs exist, they've seen documents, they've never seen the crafts, they've been told by people who know what's going on. Most of the story sounds like a game of telephone. So no, I don't believe any of that stuff, because we can't keep secrets. The president gets a [__] in the Oval Office. Everyone finds out about it. If there were aliens and UFOs, we would know.
Interviewer 3:48 ↗
It was in the study off the Oval.
Anthony Scaramucci 3:50 ↗
Oh, he didn't desecrate the Oval Office. [laughter] He desecrated the study.
Interviewer 3:55 ↗
So respectful. And the dress. Yeah. So I don't believe... Yeah, why not? Have you seen? When I did my show last time, he was the first guest. Bill, who I thought was a big God skeptic and everything. Yeah. Not about this. He was very, very into it. And he gave an eight-minute soliloquy four weeks ago about it.
Anthony Scaramucci 4:22 ↗
Oh, did he?
Interviewer 4:23 ↗
He said, 'Get ready for the news of the aliens disclosure.'
Anthony Scaramucci 4:31 ↗
So Steven Spielberg's got a movie coming out in June.
Interviewer 4:35 ↗
Yeah. I haven't seen the film, but I've seen the trailer.
Anthony Scaramucci 4:39 ↗
All right. Are you excited about that? I'm not particularly excited about it, I don't think. But I like sci-fi films. It's fine.
Interviewer 4:47 ↗
Remember, I work for the government. I got to keep certain things.
Anthony Scaramucci 4:49 ↗
Yeah. You rather famously worked for the government.
Interviewer 4:53 ↗
Yeah. It was 954,000 seconds. [laughter]
Anthony Scaramucci 4:56 ↗
If you say it that way... I say it that way to my therapist. It makes me feel like I was there longer. I noticed in your book that you were very offended that some people said 10 days and not the full 11.
Interviewer 5:10 ↗
Wouldn't you be? If that's your legacy, 9% of my federal career. Why would you jip me out of that? [laughter]
Anthony Scaramucci 5:20 ↗
Especially since I got my ass fired on that day. That was a pretty meaningful day, I thought.
Interviewer 5:24 ↗
How happy were you when you saw the Ryan Lizza scandal?

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Scaramucci, A. (2026, May 15). Scaramucci: Trump’s Incompetence May Be What Saves Us- The Fifth Column [Interview transcript]. The Fifth Column - A Podcast and Anthony Scaramucci. CEOInterviews.AI. https://ceointerviews.ai/interview/986172/

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Anthony Scaramucci. "Scaramucci: Trump’s Incompetence May Be What Saves Us- The Fifth Column." The Fifth Column - A Podcast and Anthony Scaramucci, 15 May. 2026. Transcript, CEOInterviews.AI, https://ceointerviews.ai/interview/986172/.

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  author       = {Anthony Scaramucci},
  title        = {Scaramucci: Trump’s Incompetence May Be What Saves Us- The Fifth Column},
  howpublished = {Interview transcript, The Fifth Column - A Podcast and Anthony Scaramucci. CEOInterviews.AI},
  year         = {2026},
  month        = {may},
  url          = {https://ceointerviews.ai/interview/986172/},
  note         = {Speaker-attributed transcript with timestamps}
}