About Natarajan Chandrasekaran
At TCS's 31st Annual General Meeting, Chairman N. Chandrasekaran addressed factors putting pressure on the company's stock. He stated that an overhang exists across all industries and companies due to geopolitical uncertainty and potential supply chain disruptions from war, and that every Tata company is working to build supply chain resilience. He noted that the entire tech industry, including IT services and software companies, has seen stock values fall by 35 to 45%, which he attributed to market questions about the relationship between AI and traditional tech.
Chandrasekaran said TCS's focus is on achieving double-digit year-on-year growth, though he noted it remains to be seen whether this will occur in FY '27 or FY '28. He pointed to TCS generating $2.3 billion in AI revenues on an annualized quarterly basis as a proof point for future growth. On capital allocation, he stated the company and board have no hesitation in funding large acquisitions but will not acquire assets they are not convinced about, and that the board is actively discussing what investments to make for AI. He also said the US will continue to be TCS's largest market and that the company expects growth momentum to pick up as AI adoption increases among banks and insurers.
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Narrator0:00
TCS New York Marathon: attracted 130,000 applicants and 50,000 runners are expected to cross that finish line behind me starting this year and for the next eight years it's going to be called the TCS New York Marathon. This is not just a marketing and advertising effort by TCS. After all, North America is TCS's largest geography in terms of revenue. New York, the financial capital of the world, is home to the largest banking and financial institutions, which forms the biggest vertical in terms of business for TCS. So this is TCS's strategy to make it to the top three in the global IT services business.
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Interviewer1:28
Are you a New York Marathon regular? I've been telling you for the last few years, one of my buddies run some auction. Any idea who the new sponsor for the marathon is?
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Unknown1:37
Actually, yeah. Yeah, right. Any idea who TCS is? I don't. Typically I was always interested in being, um, so in the past, the sponsor really didn't mean as much as the runners were supporting. But if I didn't know about it, I'm sure a lot of us didn't. So I think it's good for the company to get exposure at least in the US. All the marathons I was just in Chicago two weeks ago, nothing Sun's in there.
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Interviewer2:06
Plus, did you recognize who's the sponsor for this year's marathon? What is it, GPS?
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Unknown2:13
Yes, yes, never heard of it before. Yes, no, no, unless she was in, I knew.
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Natarajan Chandrasekaran2:21
You won't believe how many people have mailed me in the last two days. People who are from India who are here not for a race, for something else, and people who live here who have nothing to do with the marathon, and they've been meeting me housing Central Park. I was in New York. It's great to see the TCS brand everywhere, and I think it's just a good feeling. I think it's definitely getting the word out there about TCS. Millions of people are coming to know who TCS is. I told you yesterday that our brand lags who we are, and that's something that we've got to break.
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Narrator3:04
Both brands and business are running hard. After all, leadership is a marathon. And statistics the fish line has just come into search having broken into the top 10. TCS ranks as the sixth largest global IT firm by revenue. By profit, it is the second largest as also by head count. Geography-wise, it lags behind, coming in as the eighth largest in North America, 15th in Europe, eighth in the UK, and 25th in Japan. The day before the big race, we visit the finish line at Central Park and I asked Chandra how he measures the quality of revenue versus size and market share.
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Natarajan Chandrasekaran3:49
First of all, what's more important is to continue to gain mind share with our customers, to be their strategic partners. I think at the moment we are doing very well. If you look at the growth rate as well as the absolute revenue that we add, we rank number one in incremental revenue every year. So we seem to be doing things right. Now we just have to keep up the momentum.
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Interviewer4:17
But I'm sure it's part of your ambition to be amongst the top three global IT service players in the world. What will it take and how long will it take TCS to get to the top three?
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Natarajan Chandrasekaran4:24
I think it's very difficult to predict a timeline, but I think we are positioned well. So let's see.
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Interviewer4:35
Okay. You know the thing about size and sunrise, it comes with its incumbent issues. For instance, you may rank sixth or seventh in terms of revenue, but when it comes to people, you rank number two, right? At about 318,000. So IBM is the only one with a larger manpower than you. Even Accenture, whose revenues are much ahead of yours, is far lower in terms of head count. What does that mean really in terms of the quality of your growth, the quality of your revenue, because you're sixth or seventh in revenue with the second largest workforce? That is not efficient.
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Natarajan Chandrasekaran5:13
A good question, but I would like to give you two perspectives. The first perspective is that the size of the workforce you have pretty much depends on the geography footprint from where you deliver the services. If your cost base of those locations is lower, that will also reflect in the overall revenue you see. So that's the first aspect that has to be taken into account. But specifically on the quality of revenues, I would say that TCS today ranks as one of the best companies with clients. We see the attraction with the kind of work we do. If you see the thought leadership engagements that we do, I think we get faster.
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Interviewer6:01
So are you saying that revenue per employee, where you don't rank amongst the top 10, or profitability per employee, where even a player like HCL Tech is ahead of you, these are not metrics that you treat as important? These are not metrics that we should measure TCS by because they don't tell a very flattering story?
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Natarajan Chandrasekaran6:20
All these metrics are important, but you just have to see them in the overall perspective. They are important to the extent that you drive your business and grow your business in a manageable fashion. But at the same time, you've got to see the revenue per employee in the context of the locations in which we sell.
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Interviewer6:41
I'll keep coming back to this question. I'll tell you why: because in my head it also connects with the perception that Indian IT services runs across the world as being a low-cost body shopping sort of business. For some reason, when people talk about IBM and Accenture and the quality of consulting services that they offer, they don't talk about Indian companies in the same grade.
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Natarajan Chandrasekaran7:03
I think today the brand is much different from what it was a few years ago. Today, if you look at our client segments, they have a single list in terms of the company they want to work with. TCS pretty much is at the top of that list. There are verticals in which we are stronger, situations in which we are stronger, and there are also just need somebody to be stronger. So you win in the places you are stronger; in the places in which you have gaps, you invest.
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Interviewer7:31
Let me rephrase the question then and ask you this: five or seven years ago in India, you had Infosys which was behind you in revenues but ahead of you in profitability and, if I may say so, also ahead of you in image. Infosys did a very good job with that. And then you had globally IBM, Accenture, Cap Gemini, all the other Asian players NTT, the Latin Americans. There were many of them ahead of you. Do you feel that on both ends now you've broken away from those pressures? Infosys unfortunately has not had some very good years in the recent past, and you're saying that you're top of mind when it comes to the kind of work that IBM and Accenture used to do. So you're almost there?
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Natarajan Chandrasekaran8:12
I think, first of all, I'd like to say that I don't worry so much about competition like you seem to do. But when it comes to our own positioning, all I would say is that if you look at our journey, we have been consistently ranking higher in every single metric. We are the only tech company in the top 50 in terms of the combination of growth and profitability. So there are many metrics in which we rank high. But that is not to say that that is a point of arrival. These are things that give you an indication that you are on a journey to get where you want.
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Interviewer8:49
Since you mentioned journey, I want to try and put this in two different ways. If you can talk us through what you think have been the transformational changes that TCS has been through in getting to this leadership position over the last five to ten years, right from the time when you were CEO to your first term as CEO. The reason I'm asking you this is because then I want to ask you about the answer.
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Natarajan Chandrasekaran9:09
First of all, a culture or a belief that we can be the leading company irrespective of the size, in all the parameters we want to measure. So it's a question of rallying the troops, getting the leadership team to aspire very high, and that's something that we have done. The second thing is the ability to identify specific market opportunities and then have an entrepreneurial spirit to be able to scale them.
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Interviewer9:44
So you're referring to restructuring about five or six years ago, much longer than that. 2006, 2008, no, 2008, 2009. That's when you reorganized the business into 23 different business structures with 23 different CEOs. That's what you're referring to, right?
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Natarajan Chandrasekaran10:00
All of that is part of the organization structure, but part of that is putting the processes by which decision making is not really decentralized. I think that's the second part. I would say the third one is the entire communication inside. We very quickly migrated to our internal social media, so all our employee communication network is not a one-way communication. It's how the troops communicate, how they connect, how they share ideas, how they question, how they form communities, and how those communities interact. So all those things I think we have been able to migrate pretty quickly.
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Interviewer10:40
So I imagine we might build on all of this for the next five years, right? But besides this, what's your unfinished agenda or unfulfilled ambition for TCS at this point?
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Natarajan Chandrasekaran10:50
I think there are a few. First of all, we are about 315,000 professionals men and women, and we will continue this year definitely, because the model works. And as we scale, we need to be able to maintain the agility. Even I would say that we have to become more agile. So how do you do that? What kind of tweakings do you need to do in the structure? That will remain an important item. I think the second thing I would say is that there will be business model transitions as we go, because the technology is forcing those. This is your main digital transformation. The companies we serve, as they adopt these technologies and reinvent their business models, they are looking at what they score and what is context. The way to support them in their core and the way to support them in their context will change. That will require new business models. We can call it software platforms, we can call it SaaS, whatever you want. There are lots of abbreviations. So I think we have to make those transitions very effectively. The third I would say is that our brand has to catch up to who we are in terms of the capability we bring, the thought leadership we bring to customers. And I would argue that probably anyone would agree that there is a gap between who we are and what the brand perception is in some markets, not in every market, at least in some markets. So we need to work on that. So one of the things that we really need to fix in these next five years is for the brand to get its rightful place.