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Kumar Birla
Chairman, Aditya Birla Group

Aditya Birla Chairman KM Birla On Novelis' Latest Aquisition, Aleris

🎥 Jul 26, 2018 📺 NDTV Profit ⏱ 41m
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About Kumar Birla

Kumar Mangalam Birla, chairman of the Aditya Birla Group, spoke at a Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) event in Nagpur in late May 2026, where he praised the organization's century-long contribution to nation-building and societal service. He called for stronger national resilience as India enters the "Amrit Kaal" phase of growth, and said that self-reliance is about capability and confidence. Birla also attended the concluding function of an RSS training camp in early June alongside RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat. In April 2026, Birla addressed the convocation of BITS School of Management, where he said that in the age of AI, empathy will become a premium differentiator as intelligence becomes abundant. He also spoke at an UltraTech Cement event celebrating the company's growth, noting that the company's capacity had reached 200 million tons per annum, making it the largest cement company in the world outside of China. He described scale as revealing itself in impact, reach, reliability, and responsibility.

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Transcript (56 segments)
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Kumar Birla1:58
Who is special in this case? I'm going to show you what I've done in the last minute things. Good afternoon and welcome to this media conference. Before I start, let me introduce my colleagues on the dais. On my far right, we have Deba, who is the CFO of Novelis. On my right, all of you know Satish. On my left, we have Steve Fisher, who is the CEO of Novelis. And after him, there's Praveen Maheshwari, the CFO of Hindalco. We are pleased to inform you of another milestone in the metals business. All of you know Novelis very well. And Novelis today has signed an agreement to acquire a company named Aleris. Let me tell you a little bit about Aleris. Aleris is one of the leading privately held aluminum rolled products companies globally and is to be acquired by Hindalco for $2.58 billion. Before getting into the details about Aleris, let me walk you through the current position of Hindalco. Hindalco, as you know, is a leading global player in the non-ferrous metal segment. With Novelis, it is globally the number one player in the aluminum downstream business and also a major player in the copper segment. Hindalco has had a phenomenal track record of performance, including in project implementation. Last year was a remarkable year on every front: record production of both aluminum and copper, highest shipments at Novelis, highest revenue of $18 billion, and highest EBITDA for the company of $2.2 billion. All plants operated most efficiently. For instance, both the new smelters, Aditya and Mahan, are among the lowest cost globally. At the same time, Utkal Alumina in Odisha is among the lowest cost alumina producers globally. Birla Copper is one of the largest copper custom smelters at a single location in Asia. Let me now take you through the key terms of the definitive agreement that Novelis has signed today. Novelis has entered into a definitive agreement to acquire Aleris for an enterprise value of $2.58 billion. This is broken up into $775 million for the equity part, with the balance being debt of $1.8 billion. This is debt that Aleris has on its balance sheet that Novelis will be acquiring. Additionally, there will be an earn-out payment of $50 million. My colleagues can take you through that in more detail in the Q&A. There will be no equity issuance, not from Hindalco or Novelis, so the deal will be fully financed on the books of Novelis. We expect the transaction will close in the next 9 to 15 months, and I believe this is the right opportunity for Novelis at the right time. Let me talk about Aleris in more detail. Aleris is a leading global aluminum rolled product company with a diverse range of products, supplying both aerospace and automotive sheets. It is a leader in building and construction and truck trailer segments in North America. Aleris has multi-year agreements with blue-chip customers. Its shipments in 2017 were about 800,000 tons, with revenue of $3 billion, making it a substantial player in the downstream aluminum rolled market globally. It employs about 5,400 people and has 13 high-capability manufacturing facilities across North America, Europe, and Asia. It has invested around $900 million in the last 2 to 4 years, and we believe these investments will start to drive earnings and cash flow momentum from the next financial year. As I mentioned, Novelis is the world's number one aluminum rolled products player, and post acquisition, the combined entity will have a capacity of 4.7 million tons per annum, including Hindalco in India. This acquisition will solidify Novelis' position as a global leader. The key highlights: Aleris is on the cusp of transformational growth, having invested almost $900 million in new assets to support its aerospace and automotive businesses. I see great opportunities to use Novelis' know-how to leverage Aleris' production assets. The strategic rationale is solid: it diversifies our product mix to include premium segments like high-end aerospace where Novelis has not been present, integrates both companies' assets in Asia, and brings enhanced operational efficiencies. This deal helps meet growing demand in the fastest-growing aluminum automotive market, China, which is growing globally at 14% per annum, and it diversifies and de-risks our customer base. Regarding funding, it will be 100% debt-funded on Novelis' books. Looking at pro forma financials, the net debt to adjusted EBITDA for the combined entity at Novelis is forecast to peak below 4 times at close and come back to 3 times within two years. Hindalco's net debt to EBITDA is projected to stay below 3.5 times at close and come down to 3 times within two years. Aleris helps diversify and enrich Novelis' product portfolio. Currently, Novelis' sales are 61% beverage cans, 21% auto, and 19% specialties. After acquisition, new sectors like aerospace, building and construction, and truck trailers come into the fold. Auto share goes from 20% to 22% for the combined entity, and with organic expansion and investments like Lewisport, auto share will increase to 30% over the next few years. Beverage cans will remain at 47%. This gives us presence in high-margin segments like aerospace. Aleris has a world-class R&D center in Koblenz, Germany, and established manufacturing in Europe and Asia. Aluminum demand in aerospace is growing, and Aleris has long-term contracts with Airbus, Boeing, and Bombardier. The acquisition solidifies our position in value-added products and enhances our competitive position in Asia. We have announced a 100,000-ton expansion of auto finishing line in China, and Aleris has a facility in Zhenjiang, deepening our presence in China. These plants complement each other to serve the fastest-growing automotive market. This acquisition enhances our ability to innovate high-strength, lightweight aluminum solutions to compete against steel in automobiles. It widens our automotive customer base and vehicle platform base. Aleris has key strategic assets like new finishing lines in Lewisport, Kentucky, with significant volume already contracted. There is also over 100,000 tons of automotive capacity in Duffel, Belgium. The larger and diversified asset base de-risks us by expanding the customer base. Now, how this impacts Hindalco in India: the Indian aluminum market is at an inflection point. Consumption is skewed toward electrical and auto sectors, but we see rapid growth in building and construction, transport, railways, aerospace, defense, and solar panels. The next phase of growth in India will be in flat-rolled products and extrusions. Hindalco plans to double its value-added product capacity in the next 5 years, with a capex of $1 billion. Access to Aleris' cost-effective continuous cast capabilities will boost Hindalco's ambitions in building and construction and transport sectors. This will bring expertise in making higher-end products in India and contribute to the Make in India program. In summary, Aleris is a value-accretive acquisition for Hindalco and Novelis. It is accretive from the first year in terms of cash flows and net profit, which is rare for an acquisition this large. Novelis, already the world's largest rolled product company, will solidify its position and emerge with a more diversified portfolio. The combined entity will have strong financials, and potential synergy benefits are about $150 million on a recurring basis, achieved through operational integration, supply chain, and sales optimization. The acquisition is at an enterprise value of $2.58 billion, with an expected EBITDA of $360 million post-closing, leading to an attractive EV/EBITDA of 7.2 times. Net debt to EBITDA for Novelis will peak below 4 times and come down to 3 times within two years. At Hindalco, it will stay below 3.5 times and come down to below 3 times within two years. The combined entity will have revenue of $21 billion and about 40,000 employees, making it the largest aluminum company outside China and the second largest globally. Thank you. Very happy to take questions.
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Nisha Poddar23:00
Mr. Birla, Nisha Poddar from CNBC TV18. You mentioned the synergistic benefits of $150 million on a recurring basis. If you are closing this transaction 9 to 15 months from now, in which quarter of which financial year will we see the full benefit kicking in? And what do you mean by recurring? For how many years?
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Kumar Birla23:24
As you know, the difficult part of answering questions I never do, right? So, I'm going to request Steve to take this question.
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Steve Fisher23:32
Sure. The synergies you should think of in two buckets: transformational synergies and more traditional synergies. The traditional synergies we will achieve very quickly within the first two to three years, primarily through optimization of supply chain, procurement savings, and SG&A optimization. The second large synergy bucket, which makes up about another 50%, is the integration of our Asian assets and backward integration specifically in China to access metal. Those benefits will come post three years after acquisition.
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Nisha Poddar24:11
So, first will be kicking in which quarter of which financial year?
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Steve Fisher24:15
We will begin planning integration immediately and hit the ground running to achieve them as quickly as possible.
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Nisha Poddar24:23
Clarity on $50 million earn-out payment besides $2.58 billion. What is that?
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Steve Fisher24:30
There is a certain earnings level in North America that has been agreed to. If earnings are above that, Novelis is committing to pay up to $50 million at the max for earnings higher than those agreed to in the business plan.
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Nisha Poddar24:51
And any more investment in terms of expansion projects already taken on by Aleris that could be required after acquisition?
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Satish Pai25:01
I think the main point Mr. Birla made is that the majority of Aleris' investments, which is $900 million, has already been put in. Hence, we will get the benefit of those investments already made. As Steve said, the only investment we will make is for the China integration, which is part of the synergy. We will combine our automotive line in China with Aleris' plant there.
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Ashwin Mohan25:36
Mr. Birla, Ashwin Mohan here from ET Now. Over how many years will that investment be?
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Steve Fisher25:39
Over the next two to three years, additional $350 million of investment expected.
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Ashwin Mohan25:46
$360 million of EBITDA you claim to achieve for Aleris after CY17 at $201 million. How will you achieve that? That's a tall order.
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Satish Pai25:58
Actually, this is the important point Mr. Birla was making. Aleris' Louisville automotive asset is a large part of that $900 million investment, nearly $425 to $450 million. It has been commissioned and is ramping up with qualified customers taking 60% of the volume. That EBITDA will come in this year and during the closing, so within the year of closing, Aleris' EBITDA will be $360 million. If you look at Aleris' own presentation, they make this point clear. That gives us the valuation of 7.2 times. This does not include any synergies; it's only the EBITDA from the Louisville asset. The synergies will be on top.
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Ashwin Mohan26:58
Essentially, it's $900 million of investment still to give complete returns. Facilities are yet ramping up. So, automotive segment is going to ramp up. Can you give us the roadmap for that, Mr. Birla?
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Steve Fisher27:20
We will be at full capacity in Aleris' plants within 2 years of the acquisition at the very most.
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Nisha Poddar27:28
All right, one more question. North America is the largest market for Novelis, and Aleris has a huge footprint there. What is the total market share you will have as a combined entity in North America and Europe?
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Steve Fisher27:45
For Novelis, about 35% of our market is in North America, another 30% in Europe, and the rest in South America and Asia. From a market share standpoint, at the product level, there is no overlap for cans or aerospace. They are in different products in North America, like building and construction, than Novelis. Very little overlap. Where there is overlap is in the auto sheet business, which is growing, and we see great diversification in customer base and facilities to serve these customers.
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Sajid28:31
Thanks Mr. Birla. Strategically, what explains the shift toward value-added products? You spoke about benefiting in automotive and high-end aviation. Why are you betting so heavily on these two segments?
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Kumar Birla28:53
It's in keeping with Hindalco's and Novelis' strategy of getting into a higher value-added product mix, essentially higher margins, less dependent on the LME, and therefore much lower volatility. Those are the two key reasons.
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Nidhi Rai29:15
Good evening, sir. Nidhi Rai from CNBC Awaaz. Sir, I wanted to understand about the approvals. Has the US regulator already approved, or after signing the deal, will you approach them?
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Steve Fisher29:31
There are no pre-approvals in the US. There are several regulatory hurdles we will have to go through, but we feel very confident. First would be the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States, and then we'd have to clear antitrust approvals in the US, EU, and China.
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Nidhi Rai29:53
I also wanted to understand: we were going through some research, and Moody's in 2018 said they downgraded the rating of Aleris. Before investing, what grounds and synergies are you looking forward to?
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Satish Pai30:13
That's not accurate. We have not been downgraded.
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Nidhi Rai30:18
Not you, sir, but Aleris International.
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Satish Pai30:22
I think Aleris has been in an investment mode with a heavy $900 million investment cycle, because of which debt on their balance sheet went up. Rating agencies become very conservative in such matters. For us, the timing is perfect because all those investments are made, and we are here to get the synergies out of them.
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Kevin30:55
Kevin from CNBC. If I understand correctly, Novelis contributes about 60% to Hindalco's consolidated revenues. What does this number go up to post acquisition?
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Steve Fisher31:07
Of the $21 billion combined revenue, Novelis plus Aleris will be about $15 billion.
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Kevin31:22
Any liability on the pension side or legacy contracts post acquisition?
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Satish Pai31:30
Yes, pension liabilities are $200 million, but these don't materialize all at once. In our valuation, we have considered the cycle over which pension maturities and cash outflows will happen.
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Sajid31:49
Mr. Birla, Sajid from Bloomberg Quint. On the debt front, especially Novelis, since it's a debt-funded acquisition, what is the current debt at Novelis, and what is the timeline for reducing it?
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Satish Pai32:24
Current net debt at Novelis is about $3.5 billion. With the acquisition being fully debt-funded, we will add about $2.6 billion. Even after this, our debt to EBITDA ratio will be less than 4. With cash flow generation, factoring in investments, we think within two years we will come back to around three times.
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Sajid33:01
Debt of around what? Three or four billion?
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Satish Pai33:06
I'm not going to get into that specific number, but with all calculations, we should be within a very healthy three times.
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Sajid33:19
L&T recently undertook an expansion plan of $900 million. Once the full stream starts, what is the additional revenue generated from that expanded capital?
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Satish Pai33:37
Rather than going into revenues, which depend on aluminum prices, and ours is a pass-through model, I would talk about EBITDA. With full ramp-up, we'll be at $360 million within the first year of acquisition, and after that, the growth curve will be very positive.
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Sajid34:08
My question is because 2017 L&T had about $200 million in EBITDA, excluding outages in aerospace and auto of nearly $100 million. So, if you're saying there is an additional benefit of nearly $75 million in EBITDA, or those outages will come back and give you the additional $100 million going forward?
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Satish Pai34:36
No, that's not the way to understand it. The baseline is about $202 million as you mentioned. On top of that, add about $40 million for outages and another about $120 million from partly booked contracts and unbooked capacity that will ramp up within the first year of closing. That $120 million will help us get to $360 million.
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Sajid35:11
Mr. Birla, how do you expect this acquisition to play out against the backdrop of a potential trade war?
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Kumar Birla35:20
That's a good question, but I don't think anyone has an answer except for one person, and we don't know how he thinks. I don't think it can create any large variance. Steve, you want to add?
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Steve Fisher35:35
Understanding Novelis' business, we are very regional. We don't have a lot of interregional shipments. We can serve customers in each country with the assets we have. Even with trade duties, we see very little impact on business at both Novelis and Aleris.
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Vindoo Goel36:07
Vindoo Goel with the New York Times. Mr. Birla, did the Trump administration's imposition of a 10% tariff on imported aluminum make Aleris a more appealing company given its strong position in US markets?
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Kumar Birla36:25
Like Steve said, that has had only a marginal impact, and we don't know how long the duties will be there. I don't think that has been factored into any return calculation for this acquisition.
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Vindoo Goel36:40
And just to follow up from Mr. Fisher, you said you were confident this would pass regulatory approval given that the last deal to sell Aleris failed CFIUS. Why do you think you will be treated differently?
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Steve Fisher36:55
Novelis has a long history in the US, for many decades. We continue to employ many US employees and expand, like recently in Guthrie, Kentucky. With our presence in the US and our parent company coming from India versus China, we don't see any reason why we would not clear CFIUS.
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Sajid37:26
Mr. Pai, will this put a break on your repayment efforts? You had plans of repaying around Rs 5,000 crore this year and refinancing earlier. On a consolidated level, would you be repaying more debt this year or put a break on that?
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Satish Pai37:47
Let me make one thing very clear. The deal is being financed with debt on Novelis. As EBITDA ramps up, net debt to EBITDA of Novelis will be around three in the next 2 years. Nothing changes on Hindalco India's balance sheet. All our plans, including expansion into downstream and efforts to lower net debt to EBITDA, remain unchanged. No debt is being added on Hindalco's balance sheet.
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Sajid38:29
Does it come in the way of repaying debt as planned so far?
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Satish Pai38:34
Thank you, sir.
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Sajid38:42
Mr. Birla, Hindalco's share has still been falling after this news. What would your message be to shareholders who are jittery and nervous?
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Kumar Birla38:55
In a situation like this where news comes out partly, there is always some confusion, which typically makes the stock react as it has. Once investors have complete information and realize that the multiple is only 7.2 times given the EBITDA of $360 million in the year we take over, I believe they will view this as a very positive development.
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Tanya39:34
Hi, Tanya from Mint. Just a quick question on how you're raising debt at Novelis to fund the acquisition.
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Satish Pai39:43
We are working on several options and at this moment are not in a position to give full details. Given the strength of the balance sheet, we have multiple options. Aleris recently did their own refinancing, and in one of the term loans, there is a change of control clause. We will look at possibilities of using that to re-price the debt, rather than raising entirely new funding. These are early discussions, but it will not be a challenge to get this debt financed.
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Vindoo Goel40:37
Mr. Kumar, sir, if I could have your permission, there's a double bonanza on the day you're announcing your acquisition in Hindalco. The much-awaited DOT approval of the merger with Vodafone has also come. Your comment, sir.
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Kumar Birla40:53
It's a very exciting journey ahead of us with Idea and Vodafone coming together. The actual work starts now. We are very optimistic about it.
Okay, we draw this session to a close. Thank you for attending, and we hope to get a positive response from all of you.