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Jeffrey Bezos
Founder & Executive Chairman, Amazon and Blue Origin

LIVE: Jeff Bezos speaks at the VivaTech conference in Paris

🎥 Jun 17, 2026 📺 Associated Press ⏱ 49m 👁 4643 views
Watch live as Amazon and Blue Origin founder Jeff Bezos speaks at the annual VivaTech conference in Paris. Credit: VivaTech #jeffbezos #live #technology
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About Jeffrey Bezos

At the VivaTech conference in Paris on June 17, Bezos argued that artificial intelligence will not eliminate jobs but will instead create a labor shortage by enabling people to identify and solve more problems. He stated that humanity is limited not by imagination but by what can be built, and that accelerating the "dream build cycle" will allow more ideas to become reality. Bezos also outlined a long-term vision for space, saying that if space travel becomes reliable and inexpensive, polluting industries could be moved off Earth, allowing the planet to be returned to its pre-industrial state. In a series of interviews from April and May, Bezos discussed wealth disparity and tax policy. He said the bottom half of income earners in the U.S. pay only 3% of all taxes, and argued that figure should be zero, adding that the government should not be asking a nurse making $75,000 a year to send money to Washington. He attributed high rent to government intervention, stating that subsidizing demand while constraining supply through zoning and permitting drives prices up. Bezos also said that for-profit companies properly run provide greater value to society than charitable giving, and that he believes the U.S. is in a healthy phase where both good and bad ideas are being funded.

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Transcript (86 segments)
✨ AI-enhanced transcript with speaker attribution
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Host0:00
They are building a new road to space with Blue Origin. Please join me in welcoming to the Vivate stage in conversation with former NASA astronaut Mike Massimino who helped save the Hubble Space Telescope. The CEO of Blue Origin, David Lim, and the founder of Blue Origin, Jeff Bezos. You will see a short film and immediately after that short film they will be joining on stage.
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Narrator0:45
We have a gift, this nearby body called the moon. It will be the largest lander to ever land on the moon. That opens up huge possibilities.
It'll soft land in a precise way onto the lunar surface. None of this is easy. All of it is hard. There's still a lot of work to do and a lot of hard work to come.
Mark 1 is a Blue Origin funded mission. High risk, high reward. Mark 2 is a complete Blue Origin solution. Very ambitious. Reliable, repeatable, low-cost access to the moon. We will now have lunar permanence.
It's time to go back to the moon. This time to stay.
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Mike Massimino2:10
Okay. Well, thank you very much for that warm welcome. Thanks Dave and Jeff for having me join you up here on the stage. It's a real honor for me to be here with you guys. We're going to start off with talking about a little bit of what we saw in the video: anomalies and end response resiliency. If you look across the history of spaceflight and this is nothing new, right? There's been setbacks going back to Mercury, Apollo, space shuttle. I'm certainly familiar with those setbacks that we had. And from the outside, people might look at that and think of that as a failure. But for those of us on the inside, in the industry, it's kind of part of the engineering development process. You know, you want to learn from it and move on if you can. As we saw in the video a few weeks ago, you guys had a setback and now you're in the beginning phases of rebuilding your launchpad. What have you learned since and how does the path forward look?
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Jeffrey Bezos3:05
Well, let me start by saying that was a rough moment. Nobody likes that. It was a gut punch for the whole team. But what we've learned since then is we got really lucky. Some of the long lead items on the launch infrastructure were preserved. For example, the propellant tank farm, all the liquid hydrogen, liquefied natural gas, liquid oxygen, all those tanks, those are very long lead items and they were fortunately undamaged. The booster, we had a booster in the integration facility which is right there at the launchpad and various pieces of shrapnel missed the booster. There was a lot of good luck in that incident. In the big picture, God knows how to appropriately price his goods and space travel is hard and it's worth it. By the end of that incident, within 24 hours completely spontaneously, the Blue Origin team, and this is a team of just incredible people, they were making themselves t-shirts that say it's worth it.
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Mike Massimino4:15
Yeah. Cool.
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Jeffrey Bezos4:23
And the other thing is that we're busily rebuilding it. We got lucky in another way. There was a construction crew just down the road, so we brought in 400 pieces of heavy equipment. Brought in construction workers that were working 24/7, so the pad has now been cleared of all the debris. It's amazing how quickly that's happened. And just yesterday we started the reconstruction. I think you've said it best: we're going to fly this year. We'll fly before the end of the year.
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Mike Massimino4:48
Awesome. Awesome. I think what you said about your team is very meaningful. I look back at my time at NASA and the highlights of course are successful space flights, but when you look at the setbacks, the way you respond to them, you find out what your team is made of, right? You don't find out necessarily in a good time, in those times that are a little tougher. And you guys have a great team and a lot of support from NASA on this. It sounds great with the plan moving forward. Jeff, I want to pick up on something you said about 'it's worth it.' It's like you're doubling down on it's worth it when others might not have continued. You could also have decided not to move forward. Share with us your vision and why it is worth it to you.
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Jeffrey Bezos5:39
Well, what we're trying to do is build all the infrastructure so there can be a completely dynamic space economy. Today the cost of admission to space is still very high. If you look back at what I witnessed in the internet space over the last two and a half decades, you saw an environment where because all this infrastructure existed, global networks and so on, very small companies could build very large enterprises. Two kids in a dorm room could build a giant company. And we want space to be like that. We want space to be this dynamic, entrepreneurial place where two kids in a dorm room can build an incredible space company. That is going to happen. The job of a company like Blue Origin is to help build the road to space, that heavy infrastructure, so that many other companies can do incredible things. There are so many resources in space. You're seeing that now with LEO constellations and the potential for orbital compute. We have the moon as a gift, it's right there. We're working on all these things. We're building a lunar lander. We're working on in-situ resource projects, learning how to build solar cells out of lunar regolith. There are many other initiatives we're undertaking, but all of them are focused on building this infrastructure so there can be dynamism in the space economy.
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Mike Massimino7:12
Yeah. So this is all great news and I'm so grateful you guys are moving forward. These are not things you'd want to have happen when you have an anomaly, when you have a setback, but they're unavoidable. They're going to happen. You don't want them to happen, but when they do, it's how you react to it.
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Jeffrey Bezos7:28
It gives the whole team a chance to show everyone who we are and what we're made of.
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Mike Massimino7:36
Right. Yeah. Looking back years from now, I think
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Jeffrey Bezos7:38
The team at Blue is the most missionary team I've ever worked for because we've explored every planet. We've been to the deepest parts of the solar system and this is the good one, right? This is the planet you want to be on. It's beautiful. And as we build this infrastructure, you can move polluting industry into space and you can turn every place on Earth like the parks in this beautiful city, and we could support three times the population on this planet. That's the long-term goal. That's what we're trying to do. That's why it's worth it.
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Mike Massimino8:15
Okay. All right. So, I am very excited to see New Glenn fly again, but maybe not everyone in the room is familiar with what a launch looks like. So we're going to roll a little tape so that everyone can see how epic one of these launches are. We'll roll the tape now.
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Host8:33
It's not just a launch, it's a landing, too.
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Mike Massimino8:35
Ah, yes. There you go.
We didn't miss it, did we?
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Host9:16
Jump back in, I guess.
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Mike Massimino9:18
Okay. All right. Well, eventually we'll get that going. Okay. So we're good. We'll proceed. All right. So Jeff, you mentioned earlier about the space economy and I think to some of us that might be kind of like science fiction. Is it real? Is that something that is for real? But sitting where you sit, what evidence do you see every day that convinces you that the demand for access to space is real and accelerating?
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Jeffrey Bezos9:54
Well, this is a great question. The evidence right now is very obvious. If you look at demand for launch, demand for launch is insatiable right now. We have a tremendous backlog already on our books for launch. Every space launch company has tremendous backlog. We are supply constrained, we are not demand constrained. It's being driven by communications with LEO constellations, by national security missions, and in the future by things like orbital compute and lunar resources and NASA programs to return to the moon this time to stay. There's just a tremendous amount of demand for launch.
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Mike Massimino10:43
Yeah. I think it was sort of underestimated at some point when years ago the government was looking for what they would need. Is it fair to say they underestimated what the real demand would be?
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Jeffrey Bezos10:56
100%. I think people underestimated it tremendously.
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Mike Massimino10:59
Yeah. And I think if you build it, they will come. You know, if you can't get to a place, you can't even imagine what you would do there. But now that you've increased the access, even my students at Columbia have flown an experiment on one of the New Shepard rockets that would have been impossible seven years ago, just a few years ago, they did this. Can you imagine that when we were students?
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Jeffrey Bezos11:27
And it's a circle too. If launch is very expensive, then the satellites have to have really long lifetimes and they have to be very exquisite. But if the launch starts to get cheaper, then the satellites get cheaper. And if the satellites get cheaper, there's more demand for launch. If there's more demand for launch, then you get more practice with launch. Launch gets cheaper. So there's a virtuous circle there that once you get it spinning in the right direction, that's where we want to go.
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Mike Massimino11:56
Yeah. And you had this vision. There's nothing you can count on that happening. But you were confident, of course, that this would happen. You just don't know exact timing.
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Jeffrey Bezos12:05
So you get out there and you get ready. By getting reusable rockets, you lower the costs because these boosters want to be reused. They're expensive, and when we land them we can reuse them many times. And these constellations want to be gigantic. Especially communications, people are insatiable on how much bandwidth they want to use. When I had a 300 baud modem, I wanted to use all of it. When I had a gigabit in my home, I want to use all of it. And so these constellations want to be very, very large.
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Mike Massimino12:40
Okay guys, I think we're gonna cut to the tape now for real. All right, a little setback, but here we go. Let's have a shot.
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Narrator12:50
For today's launch NG2, we have two goals. The first is to safely deploy the payload, which is NASA's Escapade, which is heading out on a mission to Mars. And the second is to land the booster for the first time.
NASA's new Escapade mission will help us understand Mars's climate history using two spacecraft in orbit for the first time.
TS2 flight level.
Both engines continue to look good. Good data coming down from both stages.
All right, at 9 minutes is when we're expecting the first stage to touch down on Jack.
Burning, burning, burn.
Great shot from our booster. Congratulations. Escapade, both blue and gold have successfully deployed. We have successfully landed the booster and we have successfully deployed satellites for Escapade.
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Mike Massimino14:58
So when you're doing hard things, you also get great moments like that.
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Jeffrey Bezos15:01
Yeah, that's awesome.
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Mike Massimino15:02
Extraordinary. You said it was a launch, but it's also the landing which amazes me. That's out on the ocean right on Jack the recovery ship. Amazing.
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Jeffrey Bezos15:12
And this is a very large vehicle. This vehicle will take 45 metric tons to LEO. The variant we're working on right now, the 9x4 variant, will take over 70 metric tons to LEO. This is a super heavy class booster and to watch it land like that on an ocean going platform is awe inspiring. The team is rightly very proud of themselves for it.
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Mike Massimino15:34
And the ocean doesn't always cooperate. That thing moves.
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Jeffrey Bezos15:37
No, the ocean is highly uncooperative.
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Mike Massimino15:39
So to be able to do that is so impressive. So all right, Dave, this is all incredibly ambitious. The question is because you're the CEO here, what keeps you up at night when you think about all this stuff coming together, the whole operation, the manufacturing, the talent pipeline, getting the right people in, the supply chain? What is foremost on your mind? Or is it everything combined?
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David Lim16:07
There is a little bit of everything. I've only been doing aerospace for two and a half years. I'm traditionally trained in consumer electronics, but I think people underestimate how hard it is to build a rocket. These are incredibly complicated vehicles pushing the boundaries of what physics allows. To see success like this and see how space is becoming more normal is amazing. But building one off of anything, whether that be an engine or a rocket, that doesn't really keep me up at night much. What the hard part is is building the machine that builds the machines. You really want to do that, and it takes a lot of time and a lot of thought. That's the factories that are pushing these out, because you don't want to meet the vision that Jeff talked about. You don't want to build just one rocket. We want to fly a hundred times a year, and that means a hundred second stages, that means hundreds of engines. So building our engine factory in Huntsville and our rocket factory down in Orlando, and getting those to rate, which includes the supply chain, includes the raw materials and heavy vertical integration, is how you build that machine. We're making a huge amount of progress, but you can always get better.
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Jeffrey Bezos17:27
We're now building a BE4 engine, our heavy LNG engine, every four days coming off the line now. Rate manufacturing is critical to this. Space travel is a solved problem for six decades. We're not trying to invent space travel, we're trying to make it cost effective. That's the key. That's why you need reusability as Dave is saying and why you need rate manufacturing. It really is about being world class manufacturers, and Dave and the team are crushing that. They're doing an amazing job.
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Mike Massimino18:07
When Dave visited us at Columbia where I'm on the faculty, that was talked about the manufacturing. I do want to mention something about your pipeline. When we were looking for someone to come speak, we had a CEO lecture series and we did a poll within our student body. If you could hear from the head of any company, what would it be? And Blue Origin came out number one. So thanks for accommodating. I think your pipeline of talent is excited to come join you and be a part of this.
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Jeffrey Bezos18:39
Yeah, I think people are underestimating even in the academic world how much building physical things is going to be valued moving forward. We spent the last three decades with not enough computer science majors, but I think the pendulum is going to swing the other way. I was so inspired seeing the kids at Columbia and people that know how to build real physical things and understand the complexities of how to manufacture them. They're going to be in very high demand.
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Mike Massimino19:12
To pick up a little more on the engines, Jeff, you mentioned you have separate facilities. Most of your rockets are built in Florida, but you have a separate facility in Alabama. I've ridden on rockets that take you to space, but I've never tried to build one. In your mind, what is so difficult about building rocket engines?
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Jeffrey Bezos19:39
Rocket engines operate right at the limit of physics. The internal combustion temperatures inside a main combustion chamber of a rocket are 5,000 to 6,000 degrees Fahrenheit, beyond the melting points of any materials. The complexities of pressurizing those propellants in high performance turbopumps that have to be very lightweight, of cooling those materials with regenerative channels so they don't melt — this is very challenging. Designing the engine is hard, and manufacturing it is hard, and manufacturing at rate is hard. We have a little clip I could show you. Our lunar lander has an engine called the BE7, a relatively small engine with 10,000 pounds of thrust. The reliability of this engine is paramount. We just did the longest engine test in history, a 41 minute engine test. This engine ran continuously for 41 minutes, beating the record for the Space Shuttle main engine which they tested 30 years ago for 36 minutes. So that's a multi-decade record that the Blue Origin team just beat with the BE7 engine. These engines are very complex. We have the BE4 engine, which uses liquefied natural gas and liquid oxygen with an ox stage combustion cycle. Our BE3U engine is our second stage engine, liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen, the same basic architecture used by the Apollo program. A hydrocarbon booster stage and liquid hydrogen upper stages. Liquid hydrogen is a complex fuel to use, but it's much higher performing. The problem is its density is very low, so you don't want to use it on a booster stage, but on a second stage it gives tremendous advantages. The Apollo Saturn V did this and so do we. The lunar landing with liquid hydrogen has a further advantage: when we have permanent lunar settlements and we go to the moon to stay, the materials available on the moon — water ice in permanently shadowed craters near the poles — can be converted with electrolysis into liquid oxygen and liquid hydrogen. So by using liquid hydrogen as our lunar landing fuel, one day in the not too distant future, you'll be able to use in-situ materials on the surface of the moon to refuel your lander.
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Mike Massimino23:02
Let's talk more about the moon. You guys have had this in your game plan since the company was founded — the moon. Lately we've been hearing a lot about the moon. Artemis 2 was such a huge success and captured everyone's attention. It's now a global interest in going to the moon, exploring the moon for various reasons. Do you feel like the world is catching up to where you guys have been for a while? How do you feel about that?
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Jeffrey Bezos23:33
We've been fixated on not skipping any steps. I'm very excited to see NASA and most of the world recognize that we should go to the moon first. We'll go to Mars and do all the other things, but the moon is the first best step. There are many reasons for that. It's a gift. It's so near Earth. We can get there in three and a half days and return in three and a half days. You can go anytime you want without waiting for planetary alignment. You can only go to Mars every two years or so. The moon's gravity well is so much lower than Earth's that when you get materials from the moon, you can lift them off with 28 times less energy per kilogram than needed to lift something off Earth. If you are producing liquid oxygen on the moon, lifting it into space is very easy compared to lifting it off Earth. As we explore the solar system and build colonies on Mars, the moon is an important first step. When you skip steps, it actually doesn't make you faster.
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David Lim24:55
Yeah, it's going to be an incredible time over the next year. Looking at our lunar roadmap, we call our team inside Blue Lunar the Lunar Permanence group for exactly what Jeff said: we want to go there and stay. Just next year, early in the year, we'll fly our Mark 1 lander, a three metric ton to the lunar surface vehicle, the largest thing that has ever landed on the moon. That'll be our Pathfinder mission. Then mid year, it was announced last week, Artemis 3 will happen. Luca from Italy will be on that flight. That's going to be a rendezvous mission with our Mark 2 lander, our human rated lander. We'll meet up at around 450 kilometers in low Earth orbit, do a couple of days of entering into the vehicle. The vehicle will have full environmental control and an egress system, and we'll test that out for when we fly to the moon the following year. Then later in the year, we'll fly another Mark 1 lander. These are coming off the assembly line now. We have a factory building these and that'll land NASA's Viper rover late in the year. The cadence to the moon is going to increase very rapidly. It's really exciting.
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Jeffrey Bezos26:16
By the way, that Viper rover is going to go find lunar water ice in those permanently shadowed craters. That's a very exciting mission. We've seen it from orbit with various methods, but now we'll be able to go look at it up close.
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Mike Massimino26:36
So just kind of seems like the timing has worked out pretty well. You guys identified it and now the moon base announcement from a couple months ago.
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Jeffrey Bezos26:44
You're right that the timing is good. I would also tell you this is so early. As a species, as far as space is concerned, we're just still warming up. We have not even begun. This is the earliest. The idea that we've been to the moon before, which is a great accomplishment, is much different than what we're doing now. The permanence of it is key. When we went before, we pulled it forward in time. We did it before we were ready. It was pulled forward because of geopolitics and the race with the Soviets. Now is the right time to really get into it and go to stay.
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Mike Massimino27:31
Yeah. We did it before by spending almost 3% of GDP.
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Jeffrey Bezos27:36
To do it, and that's just not sustainable. Give me 3% of GDP, I'll give you fusion.
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Mike Massimino27:46
So the question here is moon or Mars, Jeff?
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Jeffrey Bezos27:52
Moon first.
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Mike Massimino27:53
Moon first.
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Jeffrey Bezos27:54
Mars and everywhere else, too. We'll build large O'Neill style colonies in space. We'll use asteroids, near-Earth objects, and the moon to build compute in space and solar cells in space. A lot of our compute will be done in space; it'll make more sense. Ultimately, we'll even manufacture the chips that the compute runs on and the answers can be beamed back to us on this planet. Dave said it before, but our long-term vision, our dream, is that all the polluting industry can be done off Earth. If space travel gets reliable enough and inexpensive enough, and we can get materials from asteroids, near-Earth objects, and the moon, then this garden planet can be returned to its pre-industrial revolution state. This is the only way in which the world is worse today than it was 500 years ago. Everything is better today: global illiteracy, infant mortality, global poverty. Everything keeps getting better. The one exception is the natural world. We can actually have both.
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Mike Massimino29:29
So we go to space not necessarily just for space, but for Earth.
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Jeffrey Bezos29:34
Yes. There's a great quote from Jim Lovell. When he went to the moon and looked back on Earth, he said, 'I realized you go to heaven when you're born, not when you die.'
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Mike Massimino30:05
I really love the way you describe the moon as a gift. I've always thought of it like our little brother or sister that's always with us. It sounds like you're saying we get there, we can go other places more quickly. It's also been bombarded for four and a half billion years by every meteorite, so just under that surface is everything we need to build the things Jeff talked about. Every mineral is there, water is there. It's an incredible resource, untouched for billions of years. It really is a gift for us to explore and use as a launch pad to go other places. All right, let's talk more about the infrastructure stack you're developing. This is all you know, the rockets and the vision for the moon, all these things you're into. You'll need a lot of talent and resources. You said that the key is companies that can be world-class manufacturers with incredible vertical integration. Blue Origin is doing that to set up this space economy, building that infrastructure. So when you say building the infrastructure layer for the space economy, what does that mean and what are the pieces of that stack you're developing?
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David Lim31:35
Well, on the manufacturing side, I was very surprised coming to a company like Blue that you have to be incredibly vertically integrated in this area. As an example, we have our own engines that Jeff talked about, running at the boundary of physics and high heat. So we have a material science group that literally invented two new alloys, we call them Cascadium and Rearium, to coat these engines so they can survive. Then we take those alloys and put them into one of the biggest additive manufacturing factories in the world, which Blue has. We print these metals and literally print an engine. Part of the infrastructure is inventing new infrastructure to push the boundaries of what we can do again to lower the cost. You could probably do this in the old ways back in the Apollo era, but it takes a lot of money. The other place we're trying to invent is what applications you want to put in space. We've announced two different constellations: one called Project Sunrise and the other called Terrowave, that get more infrastructure into space.
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Mike Massimino32:55
Yeah. I was going to ask you about Terrowave. Data. Where we going?
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David Lim32:59
It's a LEO constellation that has very high bandwidth and is optimized for very demanding users: large enterprises, hyperscalers, government institutions. It includes very fast Earth-to-space optical links, so it's a very sophisticated network. We're also working on Project Sunrise, which is orbital compute. Those satellites will be in sun-synchronous orbit, where 99% plus of the time they are always in sunlight. Typical low Earth orbit might be 90 minutes, half in darkness, but in sun-synchronous orbit you're in daylight almost all the time, so your solar cells are working for you the whole time. There are a lot of questions about orbital data centers — can it really work? People worry about heat rejection, but all these physics problems are easily solvable. Heat rejection is not a real problem. These questions are really about cost. The cost of production of solar cells, satellites, and launch will eventually cause lines to cross, and orbital compute will be a better option than terrestrial compute. We don't know exactly when, but we have to work on it now so we're ready for those two lines to cross. We're already very reliant on connectivity from space, and this is a way to grow it.
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Mike Massimino34:52
Yeah.
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Jeffrey Bezos34:52
And there will be many of these constellations. Just the first phase of Terrowave is 5,000 plus satellites in LEO and another hundred satellites in MEO. You start thinking about the scale of these constellations; they want to be five, 10, 20,000 for each shell and will have different use cases. You have Starlink and Amazon's LEO, focused mostly on consumers. We're focused on giving enterprises and governments really high bandwidth with high reliability. There will be 10 more ideas for this. This goes back to why launch is so constrained now: each one of these constellations can quickly fill up many hundreds of launches. We've got to race to lower the cost even further and get more rockets in the air. Europe will have their own constellations, other countries will have theirs. It's just a very valuable thing to do. The human appetite for comms is insatiable.
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Mike Massimino36:24
I want to ask you about another project. Recently you broke news of a new endeavor, Prometheus, right? It's an AI company and you've called it developing an artificial general engineer. As someone who tries to train real engineers, I'm very excited about this. I think it's a way we can incorporate that in education and train engineers to use this thing you're developing, Prometheus. What can you tell us about that and the importance of AI in engineering for Blue Origin and for the world?
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Jeffrey Bezos37:00
Prometheus is building a set of tools designed to empower engineers to really invent and build much faster. Today there's a dream-build cycle: you dream of something, and depending on how complicated it is, it may take a few years to 10 years before you're producing it at rate. If you take a step back, all civilizational wealth is driven by invention. 6,000 years ago somebody invented the plow and we all got wealthier. Then the steam engine, we all got wealthier. If we can accelerate that dream-build cycle, it will create real productivity and prosperity. That's the idea. It can't be done with traditional large language models. They have a place, but they aren't trained with the right data to do detailed engineering. The analogy is: I could read a thousand books on how to be a great gymnast, but I would still be a terrible gymnast. It needs a different kind of training data. Designing real physical objects is very complicated, you can't do it just by reading. So we're building a model that is very good at doing engineering. That model becomes the basis of tools to dramatically accelerate that dream-build loop. The goal: if today you came to me and said, 'Jeff, I need a new jet engine with 10% more thrust,' even if I had built 50 jet engines already, I'd tell you it's a 10-year program. Can we at Prometheus build tools to make that five years, then three, then two, then one year? If we can accelerate that loop, it changes everything. It helps Blue Origin too. Dave needs these tools. It's not going to replace people; it's a tool for engineers. There's a lot of concern that AI will make humans redundant. I totally disagree. AI will create a labor shortage because it will make it possible for people to identify more problems. We have an endless set of things to invent. We are limited not by our imaginations but by what we can actually do. Every person in this audience has had an idea for a new business or product that stayed in their head and went nowhere because it was too hard. If we accelerate the dream-build loop, all those ideas become possible. You can already see this with vibe coding. I was classically trained as a computer scientist, but three years ago I was terrible. Now I can write an iOS app in an afternoon. That's one thing LLMs do well because it's symbolic. Imagine tools that bring that to the physical world: contemplate something and it comes off my 3D printer. I'm chomping at the bit. It's so exciting.
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Mike Massimino42:11
Well, folks, we have a few minutes left, so a couple last questions. You guys have known each other a long time. I know you well enough to know you're friends and trusted.
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David Lim42:21
We've worked together for almost two decades at Amazon.
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Mike Massimino42:25
So you've worked together at Amazon. Any surprises or differences on how working together at Blue Origin has been? What's that been like in this new endeavor?
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David Lim42:36
I don't see it a lot, but there are some things that surprised me. Jeff is the most tactically impatient person I've ever met and the most strategically patient person I've ever met. That's an oxymoron, but it somehow works. The thing that was the same is at Amazon, Jeff was always the longest term thinker in the room. He was the long-term optimist. When I came to Blue, the vision is bigger. He mentioned it: we're trying to help this planet and make space the new normal. The other thing is I've been in the room a lot with Jeff and he can always find and help an idea, move it forward. I thought that superpower was centered around e-commerce. But I can tell you, after two and a half years, Jeff knows more about rockets and rocket engines than he knows about e-commerce. That is stunning.
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Jeffrey Bezos43:59
Thank you, Dave. There's a saying: when you're under 40, never hire your friends. When you're over 40, only hire your friends. I am a very lucky man with a tremendous amount of gratitude that I get to work with Dave.
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Mike Massimino44:36
Okay, just a couple more to round out here. Jeff, you said that Blue Origin will be the world's most decisive company. How's that going? How are things going?
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Jeffrey Bezos44:47
It's going very well, especially since Dave arrived. Decisiveness is about speed, and speed matters in business. Amazon is a giant company, but we still make decisions very quickly. Decisions get slow in large companies when you treat all decisions as if they're the same size. One-size-fits-all thinking never fits. There are giant decisions that are consequential and irreversible; those should be made slowly with great care. There are other decisions that even if consequential can be reversed; those should be made by single individuals with good judgment. Speed of decision making is key. In aerospace, traditional aerospace often suffers from slow decision making speed. But building things with hazardous operations and life safety critical missions doesn't mean every decision is like that. If you treat every decision as life safety critical, you move very slowly. We want to move humanity forward into the next age. We're in the middle of a bunch of golden ages: biotech, space, AI. Every young person should be so excited to be where they are now because it's never been a better time to be an entrepreneur or start a company.
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Mike Massimino47:37
The speed compared to what we used to do in the space program with the government — we used to call it glacial speed. You guys move quick. Okay, I have a question for each one of you left. Dave, what goes through your head when you hear Jeff say, and apparently you've said this, Jeff, that Blue will eventually be the best business you've ever been a part of, even more successful than Amazon? I'm not a business major, but Amazon's pretty successful, so the pressure is on. What goes through your head when you hear that, Dave?
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David Lim48:13
Yeah, it's a clench-up moment, let's put it that way. He mentioned this before I took the job, so it's been a tough comp. Amazon by almost any measure is one of the world's most successful companies. But I have to tell you, I'm an optimist in general. As time has gone by and I've seen how fast the progress we're making in space and how many opportunities there are — we've talked about some of them here — I'm a believer now. I was a skeptic, but I'm sure of it. It's going to be a giant industry with lots of winners, literally hundreds and thousands of winners.
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Jeffrey Bezos49:11
It's going to be very exciting to watch it unfold.
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Mike Massimino49:14
Well, I'm very grateful for what you guys have done, devoting your talents, energy, entrepreneurship to the space program. Well done. One last question, Jeff. This one's for you. It's about your lesson learned from your grandfather on the importance of being resourceful. Today we have AI and a lot of technical help, a lot of technology around us. Do you still think resourcefulness carries the same weight as it did when you heard that story from your grandfather, or even maybe more so in today's world?
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Jeffrey Bezos49:47
I think it's so important. Mike knows some of these stories about my grandfather. My grandfather, when I knew him, was a rancher in South Texas. I spent all my summers on his ranch from age 4 to 16 and eventually was able to help him. We did everything on our own. Like a lot of people in rural areas, you can't call to repair something, you fix it yourself. We repaired bulldozers, took out giant transmission gears, fixed them. He even made his own veterinary needles to stitch up cattle. He'd get a piece of wire, heat it with a blowtorch, pound it flat, drill a little hole, and sharpen it. Some of the cattle even survived. This idea, this attitude that any problem is solvable, is a good starting point. Some problems may take a long time, but if you start with the opposite point of view — that the problem is not solvable — that will be a self-fulfilling prophecy. And with that, our time is up. But thank you.
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Mike Massimino51:12
Thank you very much. Thank you.
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Jeffrey Bezos51:14
Thanks Mike.
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Mike Massimino51:15
Hey thanks very much. Awesome. Thanks folks.