CEOInterviews.AIFrom Police Officer to Political Candidate: Chris Crane's Journey

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Host0:05

All right, guys. We're trying a little something new tonight. It's working.

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Co-Panelist0:13

Yeah, it is.

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Host0:14

Welcome. Welcome to the Rabbit Hole podcast. Yeah, we've been missing for a couple weeks as Cody has been moving from one place to another. Yeah, he's got some things that he's got new in his world. But tonight we have Chris Crane. He's a good friend of mine and he's running for House just like me. And he loves God, loves missions, loves guns and all kinds of other things. And he's written a couple of books and so he also has his own podcast and so a lot of great things are happening. Chris Crane, tell us a little bit about you.

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Christopher Crane0:54

All right. Well, I'm a retired Albuquerque police officer. I did that from about 1989. Retired in 2007, but I got my full credit for doing that. For I mean my full credit for the 20 years. I've pastored, I've been the head pastor for a church in Los Lunas for three years. I've done missions primarily in Africa, but I've also been to places like Peru, Mexico, but primarily in the last 10 years or so, it's primarily been in Africa. And then in order to fund the missions because it does take quite a bit of money and we have so many open doors and so many opportunities over there, but we kind of need funding, I decided to start a business. Started, decided to open a gun store. Found out that I was pretty good at it. Being a retired police officer and having to use my firearm in the line of duty. I'm also a firearm instructor and I actually really enjoy doing the firearms instructions also. And it's a lot more than just learning how to shoot, you know. It's about teaching people the proper attitude and gun safety and things like that. And so I really enjoy teaching the classes as well.

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Host2:21

That's great. Cody also has his what is it? Grain safety officer license. So he loves that stuff.

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Co-Panelist2:32

Yeah, I have my card. I'm a card-carrying range safety officer now. Oh boy.

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Host2:39

Yeah. I couldn't really see, but I'm assuming that's an NRA.

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Co-Panelist2:43

Yeah. Yep. Yep.

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Host2:50

Good stuff.

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Co-Panelist2:51

I had to pay the extra $10 to get the card, so I'm proud of it.

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Host2:57

So the interesting thing is to me that you're both running for office and running a gun store at the same time. And he, Cory was saying that your location's in the old Wex down there on was it Fourth Street?

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Christopher Crane3:15

Yeah, Fourth and I-40. We're doing a demo and a remodel right now. So, we're still a few months away from being open, but yeah, that's where it's going to be. Fourth and I-40.

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Host3:25

It's a hard neighborhood to be in.

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Co-Panelist3:28

Yeah, it's gated, too.

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Host3:31

It's what?

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Co-Panelist3:32

It's gated.

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Christopher Crane3:33

My store is gated. Yeah, it has to be. Yeah, all the stores down there are gated. Even the consulate for Mexico is gated down there, too.

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Co-Panelist3:41

Yeah, I saw that. I saw that. And then my sons are welders, so we're extra gating it down there.

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Host3:51

Yeah. Right on. And so I'm looking forward to going in and seeing that firsthand once it opens, that soft open or hard open, whatever way you choose to do it. And see the newness and smell the great smell. What is that smell, Cody?

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Co-Panelist4:14

I don't know, oil.

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Host4:16

No, no, there's a specific gun oil.

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Co-Panelist4:19

Hoppe's No. 9.

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Host4:22

Yeah. Yeah. So excited about all that. Let's go. Linked into podcast and all that kind of stuff is material and all that kind of stuff. So, we're excited about that. And so, what is your favorite sidearm that you enjoy?

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Christopher Crane4:44

Well, my favorite one because it always works and but it's really quite boring. Of course. And but you have to understand why and where I came from because I was the last class in APD to be trained on the Smith and Wesson 38 revolver.

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Co-Panelist5:10

Oh, little gun guy. Yeah. Okay.

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Christopher Crane5:13

I always tell people in my class that a 38 is better than nothing, but it's not that much better than nothing. Okay? And I'm on the streets of Albuquerque and we're like really outgunned literally. And so I quickly when I saw how the streets of Albuquerque were and what this whole police cop game or police criminal game was all about, I quickly decided that I was going to transition from the revolver to the semi-automatic. But what people don't understand is in 1990, nobody really knew anything about the polymers yet. So, and then the 1911 is only an eight, you know, seven to eight capacity depending on what model you got. And I'm out here on the streets and I'm like, I need more than seven rounds these calls I'm going into. You know what I mean? I need more than seven. I need as many rounds as I can carry. And so the Glock was actually the first high-capacity 45 out there. But the problem was at the time it was the polymer. So all the old-timers, you know, because no one knew about polymers. It's a toy. It's going to break. It's not going to last. All this other stuff. And so I really kind of went against the grain by, you know, getting the Glock. But, I'm telling you what, I still use that Glock from 1990. I rent it out for $10 in my class and people are still qualifying with that Glock today. 30.

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Co-Panelist7:19

They have a Gen One. They have a Gen One.

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Christopher Crane7:21

Gen two. Actually, it's a Gen two. I wish it was a Gen One. But is it a 45 Glock? So, it's a what? 29 Glock 21. Glock 21. 45 caliber Gen two. And I mean, we didn't know. It's funny because you're talking about Hoppe's No. 9, Cody. In 1990, I didn't know much about guns before I went into the police department. I never shot one before. And because it was plastic, I didn't know if the Hoppe's No. 9 would melt the polymer. You're kind of scared. I was kind of scared at the time on how I was going to clean it. You know, is the oil going to mess it up? Is the Hoppe's going to mess it up? But it turns out that the polymer resists all that stuff, so it's all good. But we didn't know. 1990. I didn't know.

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Co-Panelist8:03

Well, the reason that Glock doesn't have a safety on it, have you heard about that?

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Christopher Crane8:09

Yeah. It's because of the wheel guns for the police departments because wheel guns, they were trained to just pull the gun up and pull the trigger, not drop the safety. So that's why I have the trigger safety.

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Co-Panelist8:25

Yeah. I'm not against the thumb and all the other safeties and everything, but the thing is when it's life or death and it's literally hundreds of a second, I don't want to have to be pushing extra levers and things like that when I'm getting into a shooting. So,

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Christopher Crane8:41

Oh, yeah. And I'm not saying you can't train yourself, so it doesn't matter. But again, I was having a hard enough time back then. Not now, but hitting the target in the first place. I didn't want to have to do all this other stuff and then learn how to shoot. So yeah, there you go. That's my real quick. I got to step away for a second. I'm going to join on my phone and so I'll still be on but listen. So all right.

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Co-Panelist9:11

All right. All right. Sorry.

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Host9:14

No worries.

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Christopher Crane9:16

Yeah, but I mean it's got a trigger safety. So what they're saying is right here safety's right there on the end of the trigger.

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Co-Panelist9:26

Yeah. So yeah, my first one was a 23, Glock 23. Just because I was carrying concealing and I found out very quickly that is not a safe gun for me. I hit around the target. So I was like, 'Well, let's go with something else.' And an Air Force guy talked me into the M&P. And so I've been in Smith and Wesson since then.

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Christopher Crane9:57

Yeah. And M&P is a great gun, Smith and Wesson. But but you asked me what my favorite one was. So it's nostalgic for me at this point. But I actually switched. I'm not carrying the .45 anymore. I actually switched.

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Co-Panelist10:14

Oh yeah. What do you got?

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Christopher Crane10:18

380.

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Co-Panelist10:19

No, take the zero off. You're at a 38, Corey.

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Christopher Crane10:32

No. Again, back in the 90s, the 9 millimeter rounds were horrible. It was horrible, you know. And so when I was deciding what firearm to get, I looked at the FBI statistics on a one-shot drop.

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Co-Panelist10:50

Yeah. 10 mm or

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Christopher Crane10:53

Well, yeah, the 10 mm. But back then in the 90s, I'm making $7 an hour, so I'm not going to afford 10 millimeter ammo.

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Co-Panelist11:03

It was like super expensive back then because it was fairly new.

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Christopher Crane11:07

Still is now. Yeah. Yeah, it is. But no, actually in police shootings, the most effective round, what a one-shot drop is, is we're not trying to kill people. We're trying to stop the action. So, what round is to stop, we call it stop the action.

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Co-Panelist11:29

Would that be a 40?

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Christopher Crane11:31

No. So, the best round for shooting once and the action stopping is actually a 357. No, back then it may have changed now, but in the 90s when I was researching it was the 357. And then the second round, the second round was the 45. And again, the 357, there were no Desert Eagles back in 1990. You could seven bucks an hour. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Those are expensive. And if there were Desert Eagles back then, they weren't well known. Maybe there were. You know, someone watching will say, 'Oh, there were some Desert Eagles.' But again, in the 357, I couldn't get that high capacity. You know what I mean?

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Co-Panelist12:13

Say Desert Eagle. We're going to the revolvers. Does it say Cody, you don't have enough guns, brother.

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Host12:20

No, he needs to go shopping at your new store.

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Co-Panelist12:23

Yeah, he needs to go spend some more money.

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Host12:27

Yeah, he needs the 2011. Well, he said the magic word. I had to bring it out. I don't know what's going on.

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Co-Panelist12:33

His safe is going to be empty and his bed is going to be like filled with all these guns. I should show him the blocks I carried in. I have to get that.

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Host12:40

Lori, I have a feeling his safe is nowhere near empty.

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Co-Panelist12:46

Yeah, he's going to go for an hour. He's going to bring the gun out every single time. Yeah. Now, here's the box I carry it in. Oh, I'm the supercalifragilistic. Oh, what's up, Cody? What you got, brother?

That's my box. I carried it in. Evidence. Evidence box. I shot myself with this and it got taken away from me. And when I got it returned, they didn't give me the box it came in. They gave me this box.

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Host13:23

Oh. I thought that was marketing, but that was a real actual evidence box.

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Co-Panelist13:33

It is.

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Host13:34

I thought it was some kind of marketing thing.

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Co-Panelist13:37

No, it's a real evidence box. That came from Monterey County was donated to me from them. So donated. Yeah.

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Host13:48

What? So I mean I'm sorry, guys. I'm sorry. Yeah. All right. Trying to keep it under control, but you guys are making me laugh.

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Co-Panelist13:59

I got more in there. Don't worry. So, my two Air Force guys, one was a tech P, the other one, he was an Osprey trainer pilot person.

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Host14:09

Oh, yeah. That guy was cool.

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Co-Panelist14:11

And they talked me into the 40 M&P 2.0 40. And the other guy was like, 'This is what I used when I was overseas and stuff.' And so, I have it locked up and just because of him. Yeah. I was like, you know, it's a good round and ammo is not as cheap as the nine. Not as cheap as the 22. I love 22 rounds because those are super cheap.

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Christopher Crane14:40

Yeah. Great for plinking.

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Co-Panelist14:42

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Taught my kids how to shoot. And then, I think I need to go back to school. Chris, I need to go back to school. Yeah. So,

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Christopher Crane14:50

You're welcome anytime. Welcome.

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Co-Panelist14:52

Yeah. Yeah. And then I got to find a couple more people and get my car conceal and kind of move forward.

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Host14:59

Say 22.

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Co-Panelist15:01

No. No. No one said 22.

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Host15:04

No one said 22.

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Co-Panelist15:05

Why would people say 22?

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Host15:09

Like I said, he's going to go to Chris's new store. He's like, 'No, I got that. Got that. Got that. Got that. Is that something new? Like'

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Christopher Crane15:22

I love guys like Cody. They're my favorite people. Me and Cody are going to become best friends.

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Host15:28

His wife is like, 'Never again. Can't hang around Chris ever again.'

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Christopher Crane15:33

Yeah. We have a cell phone blocker in the store that we're going to put in so guys can't call their wives and the wives can't call them. What you up to? They kind of disappear. We're going to put in a cell phone blocker. So there's no communication. Just buy it.

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Host15:52

Yeah. So how many years did you preach in Los Lunas?

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Christopher Crane15:59

I was there for a little bit over three years.

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Host16:03

Okay.

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Christopher Crane16:04

And I had three kids in diapers. Five kids total. Three were in diapers. My wife was working. And honestly, Corey, it was just work. So, basically, I would work till 4 in the morning from Saturday night to 4:00 Sunday morning. I would get a couple hours of sleep. I would go preach two services and then I had a buddy of mine and I had a deal with my sergeant. I said, 'Look, I cannot drive on Sundays.' And I told my buddy, because one thing about cops is we hate paperwork. We can't stand it. So, I told my buddy, 'Just drive for me every Sunday. I'll do the paperwork all night.' So, he loved it. He looked forward to Sundays because he could go and cause all kinds of trouble and do whatever he wanted and knowing that I was going to have to write it up. There you go. That was the deal. So it just got to the point where it was too much and I was telling my kids, 'I can't do this. I don't have time. I can't do this.' And so I just had to have a heart-to-heart with the Lord, you know, and say, you know, what do you want me to do? If you want me to quit police, I'll be a pastor, but if you want me to step down as a pastor, I'll go and I'll finish out as a cop. And after prayer and everything, I just felt that that's what God wanted me to do. Was to go and finish being in law enforcement.

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Co-Panelist17:36

Yeah. So I 2005 graduated undergrad, did about two years as an intern pastor, youth pastor, and then went to grad school. That's when I was the poorest because doing grad school plus having two kids there and then I did about almost four years in Missouri as a district pastor, three churches.

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Christopher Crane17:57

Wow.

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Co-Panelist17:57

Yeah, I felt like I was always on the job. And then one of the things I learned in undergrad was about this hospital chaplain thing. And so I always wanted to go back. I did a stint up in California at a level one trauma center and found out I don't want to do that ever again. And then I got the call to come down here to Albuquerque and I did 13 months which I thought I was working really hard as a pastor. I was doing like 96 hours a week. I hit it pretty hard. So, I didn't see my kids very much. And then when I got out, I did hospice work. And so, been doing that since 2014. And the pastor thing has been always around. But, with young kids, trying to balance out being a pastor and that kind of stuff. And you were balancing out both of that. Being a police officer, being a pastor, it's a lot of work.

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Christopher Crane19:03

Yeah. And I loved it. I loved all of it. There just wasn't enough time in the day. You know what I mean?

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Co-Panelist19:10

No. No. Yeah.

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Christopher Crane19:13

Oh, yeah. Yeah. And then I also went to Peru. I went to Iquitos, Peru.

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Co-Panelist19:19

Nice.

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Christopher Crane19:20

Yeah. And got into the Amazon a little bit. Did some fishing in the Amazon. Caught the different kinds of piranha. That was fun.

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Co-Panelist19:30

Wow.

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Christopher Crane19:31

And then went back to the hotel that we were staying inside the Amazon and they would stick these piranhas, various different types, in banana leaves, stick them in the coal, and then once they were cooked, they bring it out and the oils from the banana leaves would cook in through. Ooh, that was some good tasting fish. Yeah.

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Co-Panelist19:53

Actually went to Pucallpa for a month. Yeah.

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Christopher Crane19:58

Where is that?

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Co-Panelist20:00

It's right on like eastern Peru toward the mouth of the Amazon. It was, yeah, we did a medical, well, we were building a building and then we also did a medical barge down the river to villages and help pull people's teeth out. And I got attacked by a capybara and had a chunk of my leg torn out. Just not much like this, but And then, yeah. Had to get old-school style tetanus shots from a place where they stick it in the belly. Yeah. And you had to go do it like every day. And it was the worst pain I've ever felt. It was horrible. I was literally on my back for the entire rest of that trip until we went to Machu Picchu and then I was like we basically just skipped the rest of the regimen. I'm like I'm going to die or whatever. I'm going to go to the mystical city and die there. That's why I go crazy. Start biting people. So, it was a fun trip.

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Christopher Crane21:06

Sounds fun. Yeah.

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Co-Panelist21:08

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, let's not let him write any brochures on, you know, going to

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Christopher Crane21:16

Oh, it's beautiful. I love it. I highly recommend it. Yeah, except for the capybaras.

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Co-Panelist21:20

Well, yeah, those little bastards need to be shot. All of them.

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Christopher Crane21:24

I don't think you're supposed to pet the capybaras.

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Co-Panelist21:28

I wasn't. Other people were. I was staying away. I wasn't trying to get up near any wildlife in the middle of the jungle. I wasn't like that. I was taking photos of it and it just ran. It decided to attack me and then all the everyone else was petting it and it was like all nice and I'm like I'm staying away from this guy. It hella the world's biggest rodent.

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Christopher Crane21:48

Yeah, the world's biggest rodent. It's a

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Co-Panelist21:52

It looks like a giant bus.

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Christopher Crane21:54

Yeah, it looks like a small terrier, but it's a rodent.

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Co-Panelist22:00

It's got like beaver teeth.

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Christopher Crane22:02

Yeah. And literally I got beaver teeth like hole in my leg. So beaver it's really funny. I went back to school and I was like you guys have no like you will not believe what happened.

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Co-Panelist22:18

It's a great story.

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Christopher Crane22:20

I got a photo of it as it was

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Co-Panelist22:22

Wait. He got bit by a big beaver.

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Christopher Crane22:25

Yeah. Basically a giant muskrat. Basically a beaver. Yeah. And I got a photo of it as it was coming at me and I was like backing away and then finally it charged and got and went like and I got it like literally an eyeball and a teeth sticking out like coming at like it's a great photo.

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Co-Panelist22:44

You'd be a great journalist.

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Christopher Crane22:46

Yeah. Let us see.

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Co-Panelist22:47

Thank you.

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Christopher Crane22:48

Yeah. Yeah. We need to see this. Come on. Pull it up. Let's go.

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Co-Panelist22:53

Cody wants to see the scar.

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Christopher Crane22:57

It's pretty high up there. I don't know if you want to see the whole

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Co-Panelist23:00

I'll show you my scar if you show me yours. I'll be with you.

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Christopher Crane23:03

It almost got the boys. Like it was pretty close. Close call there.

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Co-Panelist23:07

Did your doctor look at you during this procedure and say, 'Were you trying to castrate yourself? That's the difference.'

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Christopher Crane23:14

No, they just all laughed at me. Thought it was very funny.

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Co-Panelist23:18

One of the few times in your life you're glad you weren't well hung, right?

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Christopher Crane23:23

Cody. Cody, if you're fine. What are you talking about, Cody? If you're on the computer looking stuff up, you should look up how many capybara attacks there are every year. Look that up. I bet there's one every 15 years. And it's Colin, call me a statistic.

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Co-Panelist23:50

I just think it was racist.

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Christopher Crane23:52

Probably. CALL IT UP, SIR. GET HIM. LIKE, I saw an anaconda that was bigger, thicker around than Cody. Just a huge body.

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Co-Panelist24:05

Hey, huge. The hell is that all about? I've lost weight, man. I've been on this regiment, man. God.

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Christopher Crane24:13

Yeah, you look very beautiful, Cody.

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Co-Panelist24:15

Cody, I still want to know how many capybara attacks there are because you're not finding it. There aren't any.

I'm looking, man.

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Christopher Crane24:27

Even in Costa Rica.

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Co-Panelist24:28

I was in Costa Rica and I saw capybara and all that kind of stuff. And yeah, you're likely, it literally says on the web page, you're more likely to be attacked by a great white shark. A capybara attack is one of the most rarest events. You're more likely to be attacked by a great white.

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Christopher Crane24:58

What did you do, Colin? There's more to this story now. Bro,

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Co-Panelist25:02

I'M AN INNOCENT BOY. I did not know all these little kids in the village were throwing rocks at it and like pissing the thing off and like yelling it and I was sitting I literally was like 40 feet away and people were going up and literally petting it and I'm like I'm not doing that. You guys are nuts. That's a wild animal. Like

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Christopher Crane25:22

Maybe because you didn't rub his belly. He saw me kneel down and I was like doing my photographer's dance to get in and I think it was like maybe it was laughing at you and that's why it came after you.

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Co-Panelist25:38

So it probably thought it would be funny. That's true. Yeah.

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Christopher Crane25:42

Colin is just lucky.

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Co-Panelist25:44

Yeah. Colin's very lucky.

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Christopher Crane25:45

The villagers were all shocked. This lady that she saw like she saw it happen and she went after it like the thing ran off into the jungle and she literally went after it with a butcher knife like chased like you know she goes capybara and hamster tonight let's go it's rodents for everybody it's like people are giving us free medical stuff you're not going to mess this up for us we're going to get you like little white kid it was

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Co-Panelist26:14

Let me guess. You've also been attacked by a guinea pig, too, right?

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Christopher Crane26:22

He has.

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Co-Panelist26:22

I mean, I don't know. I don't know. I've honestly I've only seen a guinea pig once in my entire life, I think. But I've seen beaver quite a bit of time. I've seen a lot of beaver in my life.

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Christopher Crane26:35

Where's your board? You need a drum roll for that one. Give yourself a hand. Drum roll.

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Co-Panelist26:45

There you go. There you go.

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Christopher Crane26:49

Yeah. Did it play through?

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Co-Panelist26:51

No. No.

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Christopher Crane26:53

That's funny.

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Host26:55

So, outside of that, what is your most favorite place to go?

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Co-Panelist27:00

Moving on. Doing missions.

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Christopher Crane27:05

That's a tough one, man. How do you follow up being attacked by the world's friendliest animal? I mean, that's the thing. How do you follow that one out?

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Co-Panelist27:22

Basically the world's friendliest beaver attack. That reminds me of the movie Failure to Launch. Did you guys ever watch that movie?

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Christopher Crane27:29

Well, I love the movie. The person that is like had a horrible life and all that kind of or not horrible life but you know his person left him and he's like out of sync of the world and he gets bit by all the like a dolphin all that kind of stuff.

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Co-Panelist27:50

So yeah. Yeah, that's Colin. Yeah.

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Host27:55

But yeah. So would you say Africa? Is there a

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Christopher Crane28:01

Yeah, but there's like 70 countries in Africa. So, yeah. Um, there is I mean I want to say every place is my favorite, but since you're I feel like I got to answer the question. I probably have the most friends and the best experiences so far in the nation of Zambia.

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Co-Panelist28:27

Zambia. Yeah. Don't they have like one of the biggest craziest parks out there or you can drive through and

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Christopher Crane28:37

No, you're thinking of Kenya. You're thinking of Kenya. Yeah.

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Co-Panelist28:40

Okay.

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Christopher Crane28:42

No, they have so it's actually really interesting. They have the Victoria Falls there.

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Co-Panelist28:50

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

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Christopher Crane28:51

The big waterfall in Johannesburg. Not Johannesburg. I'm sorry. Livingston. I don't know why. Johannesburg of South Africa. Okay.

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Co-Panelist29:02

Yeah. Livingston. Livingston. I was thinking of, you know, Dr. Livingston, I presume, that guy.

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Christopher Crane29:08

He's the one, he's the European that discovered it and everything. But actually it's really interesting because Livingston basically that is the heart of Christianity and mission started with Dr. Livingston and it was in Zambia that's and it kind of spread all throughout Africa from the nation of Zambia. So Zambia is pretty much the original revival or that's again that's the heart where Christianity started to spread through the whole continent is right there.

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Co-Panelist29:50

I believe he was also a part of the Cecil Rhodes group.

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Christopher Crane29:57

That's very possible. Yeah, I know he was funded by some missionary groups. I just don't know what the names of them were.

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Co-Panelist30:09

Yeah. No, it's Scottish. I'm actually just looked it up. No, he was not. Okay. Interesting. Anyway, no, we've been talking about the British a lot, so I had to chime in there. So, yeah, we know he couldn't resist. I couldn't resist.

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Christopher Crane30:27

About what people don't understand is it's not only that that's where Christianity started in the whole continent of Africa from the work that Livingston did. His whole point of going there was to find an inland waterway for trade because Livingston thought that if he could give the Africans at the time another way to have an economy that it would end slavery. And his whole basically his whole mission was to find another way for these guys to work and make money so they don't have to be involved in the slave trade anymore. So his whole thing was to end slavery. And he was the catalyst to end it at the time because when his whole ministry was just done and if you asked him he'd say he was a failure, he didn't find the inward waterway. He didn't really have that many converts or anything, but it was he wrote a diary and these diaries had gone out in the newspapers and they you know because you got to remember back then there's no YouTube, there's no podcasts, there's nothing like that. It was you know stories in the newspaper everyone was reading it and so everyone was reading about the adventures of Dr. Livingston and they were into it and they were waiting for the next story to come out and then they just stopped. So, a newspaper businessman said, 'This is an opportunity. I'm going to go send one of my best reporters. I'm going to fund it to go find him.' He found Livingston. They became friends. After Livingston died, that reporter started publishing Livingston's diaries about the horrors of slavery. And it caused such a stir in Europe that the entire British Navy went to the head of where I can't remember what the city was, but the entire British Navy surrounded the city that was the hub, the Muslim city that was the hub of slavery at the time. And the British said, 'Slavery's done. It's over.' And that so it was from his writings in his diary, his dream did come true. He was the catalyst to end slavery. It's a fascinating missionary story.

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Co-Panelist32:52

Oh, that's pretty cool. Yeah, I'm kind of torn about that because I do believe that and I haven't looked into Livingston's background or I just kind of assumed he was British establishment, but based on what

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Christopher Crane33:04

Scottish, Scottish,

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Co-Panelist33:06

right, but you know, it's right. But yeah, no, but and that is an important point. The Scots are very special in my opinion. They're such a unique it's weird that so many amazing individuals in world history come from the Scottish route. It's very it's worth thinking about. There's something interesting about those islands. I can't quite put my finger on it, but the whole slavery thing I have so I'm a bit of I tend to lean towards cynicism more than I should because there was a real crusade against slavery and it was coming from a pure place in many people's minds and hearts. There was an incentive for the Empire to end it for I believe more of because they control the choke points of the oceans that this is a way to cut off basically pre-industrial nation states from getting crazy workforces because they would have been swamped. So I'm not saying that it was obviously good that it stopped and it but you know when it comes to systems they tend to be self-preservational in nature. So, it's just very interesting that the establishment of Britain went along with that, but they also I just don't think it was conducive like they weren't going to have slavery because of people like Livingston and people in Britain and the Christian impulse that was so strong in Britain at the time that that just was not going to fly. And so they just cut off the trade because it's like, well, if we can't have it, no one else can, which is a good thing, you know, but I think that's kind of what happened maybe.

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Christopher Crane35:08

Well, I'll definitely agree with you that the government itself was not motivated. It was a political decision as far as the government is concerned. But they were getting so much I mean the overwhelming pressure from the citizenry that they were getting the political pressure to end it was coming from those stories that Livingston had documented as he came into the slave traders when he was doing his whole thing over there. So yeah, I agree with you that the government maybe didn't have pure motives but the people that were pressuring him I believe did.

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Co-Panelist35:48

Yeah. No, I think you're right. I was a little suspect because I was wondering if there was like some other reason that they did it, but I've never been able to lay it down. And I do think it did come down to like you said, the common people, the everyday people like they just they were not about it just wasn't in the ethos. It was it would be too what was the word? hypocritical.

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Christopher Crane36:19

Yeah. And you're going to be a high civilization. You're going to be proper and you know be high morality and you're going to facilitate something like that that the population is like and they were all poor. Most of the Britons were poor. So it's like why would we do this? So yeah, I agree.

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Co-Panelist36:36

Yeah. And you got to remember there's no YouTube algorithm. there's no political correctness back in what 1780 or whatever it was. So they're printing just what Livingston is actually seeing day-to-day and he's documenting it all. You know what I mean? The good, the bad, the ugly, the nasty, the disgusting. He's just writing this is what I saw today and they're, you know, they're publishing it without a filter. And so when the citizenry was reading it, it was just horrible.

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Christopher Crane37:10

Do you know who published his work?

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Co-Panelist37:12

Yeah, it was the reporter that befriended him. The reporter that was sent to find him because he was gone for 6 years and everybody was wanting these stories in the newspaper. And again, I mean this wasn't out of pure motives. This was economic motives, but it's smart. The head of one of the newspapers sent the reporter to go find him and the reporter stayed there and befriended him and got all his diaries after he died and published pretty much the whole thing.

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Christopher Crane37:49

Yeah. No. Okay. So it was the Times covered it like I mean so mainstream establishment newspapers were covering his work and

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Co-Panelist37:57

Yeah. Because I mean it is very I mean it still sticks in our subconscious or our memories like because it's like it's so like there's and whenever something like that it's like that mimology kind of thing where something sticks around that means it stuck around at the time like in such a broad awareness in my opinion. But no that's no I'm glad you brought that up because I've been kind of chewing on that one for a minute to think about that. But I think you're right. Yeah.

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Christopher Crane38:27

Henry. That's amazing. That's beautiful. Henry Morton Stanley was the guy.

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Co-Panelist38:32

Yep. Yes. That's the guy. Yeah. Yep. Yep.

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Christopher Crane38:38

No, that's amazing because I mean, we're just so used to like I'm just so used to like there's always some dark side to every good story that we've been raised in history. Like, oh, this is a good thing. There's always like some ulterior motive and it's not a great way to look at the world sometimes and sometimes it's really just the human spirit overcame something. You know, that does happen and it's really important for me to remind myself of that and and you can really Colin, you can really see God's hand in it because a lot of people had tried to break into Africa and do what Livingston did and they all got sick and died or so sick that they had to give up. So God prepared Livingston, who wanted to be a preacher and an evangelist, but he was such a horrible preacher, they kicked him out.

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Co-Panelist39:35

Yeah.

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Christopher Crane39:36

So instead of being a preacher, which was his first job, he went in and he became a doctor. And that's what God needed to break into Africa is he needed someone with medical knowledge to come up I think with the quinine or whatever it was for malaria. So by being a doctor he was able to medicate himself and survive for decades doing what he was doing where all the Europeans before him had failed because they didn't have the right medicine to survive. So you can see that Livingston was God's man. Not only to bring the gospel to an entire continent but also to be the catalyst to completely end slavery or the slave trade the way it was at the time. It's an amazing story. I stayed in Uganda for about three weeks visiting a friend of mine who was pastoring down there like in like out in the sticks like old village area and they the church that we attended back in Nebraska. They had funded this building down there and kind of made a community center out of it. But it was when I went down there, I wanted to I asked him is there any old men that would be willing like who's the oldest guy that has the oldest knowledge of like what happened around here and the memory like who has the oldest memory and I would really like to have a meeting and talk with whoever that is and listen to his stories or whatever. And I kept asking like, so we set the meeting up and he was very happy to do it. We paid him some money, made it worth his time, but he all he wanted to talk about was God and how grateful he was for basically how I mean I hate to say like I don't hate to say this like we need to be able to say like he was very grateful that the white people came to his country because he was like we were eating each other. We were doing horrible things. It was just terrible. And they brought us a knowledge of God and we got access to love and yeah and then we started actually like and it was the greatest thing we ever experienced. And stupid me but I was like okay that's great. I want to hear about your old fables like the old like I'm trying to get like I thought like I was like some amateur anthropologist or something. And it was a humbling experience because I was like but I was like do you have any old stories? He's like oh you want the old stories but once we did and he just was telling me horror stories and it's like and I'm like okay and he's like look we don't follow those ways. We don't want to we don't want that anymore. Those old ways are gone. We don't want to talk. We don't want to be there. It was horrific and we're just happy to live in peace now. And I was like, 'Okay, I'm humbled. I understand. Thank you.'

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Co-Panelist42:47

Wow.

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Christopher Crane42:48

And that was in Uganda.

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Co-Panelist42:50

Yeah. Yeah. Northern Uganda, you know.

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Christopher Crane42:54

Yeah. Those people are so great. It was I could have lived there. They were I mean, it's like mud huts, but my It's like everyone's happy. Everybody is just got a smile. I mean, there's hardship. Like the men all run off to the city and you know go party and get jobs in the city, abandon the women and the women all were. That's the craziest thing people don't understand. Like the women all are the ones that are the productive factor. The men just are it's very sad.

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Co-Panelist43:22

They just there's not a lot of family bonding. It's really the women holding it all together.

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Christopher Crane43:27

And but they really do hold it all together. And then the church is kind of the bonding point. And it's not perfect, but it's a hell of a lot better than what they had. And they all say that. And the kids and the children that are learning, they're everyone's so excited and happy. And the joy factor I've never felt in the United States. I've never felt it in the Western world. It was just so intoxicating. It felt amazing to just be around them. And it's like, it's one of these things with missionary trips. Like I always was like, man, I really feel like missionary trips are more for us. Like we don't really help them that much. Like they're fine.

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Co-Panelist44:07

That's what I was going to when you got done talking. That's what I was going to say. That's why I got auditions, Colin.

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Christopher Crane44:13

Yeah. I'm like, we're so messed up compared to you guys. Like you're so solid. Like And now the thing is, because the ministry I work with, Harvest MXT, they're going all the time. I'm not going with them because I'm trying to get these business set up, but I'll go two, three times a year. And with all the stuff they're doing with the food here in America, when we go over there, we feel so much better because it's more like ground to table, farm to table. You can go into a KFC in South Africa and be like, 'This is awesome. This is delicious because the chickens are coming from local. They're not going through the whole frozen processing thing or whatever they do here. So, the chicken's fresher. Like all the food is it's ironic because you got to go to the third world now to get nutritious food.

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Co-Panelist45:15

I think it's no we have the worst food on the planet. I really think so. I can't think of a country that has worse food than us. And we even 3D print our food or lab grow our food. Yeah. A couple of restaurants do that because it's faster, easier, and they can make bigger profits. And what happens? We get sicker.

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Christopher Crane45:38

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But what I like about Kenyans and those people, they eat with their hands. And I went over to this family's house here and because it was my daughter's friends and having a party and blah blah blah and I was sitting there and they didn't have any silverware so I started eating right like what you're white and you're eating with your hands. I was like nothing gets between me and my food. Yeah. I'm fat for a reason. I love food and like oh you should come to our village and all that kind of stuff. I was like, 'Are you going to cook?'

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Co-Panelist46:18

And who are we cooking? Right. Is it lamb, goat, chicken? What kind of

Delicious things are we going to do? I'm like, let's do this. Yeah.

Damn it. They got Kyle.

Great. Great food. Oh my goodness. But that's one of the places I would like to go to. Europe and especially Germany. I found out that I'm from Russia. My ancestors spent years in Russia. The coast, Sweden, close to Sweden. And so a lot of the cooking that my grandmother did and all that kind of stuff was actually that kind of food. And so I never grew up with German food.

Yeah. When I went to German restaurants, like, man, this is weird. This doesn't taste like grandma's food.

Yeah, German food is hit or miss. It's fine.

Yeah, but ours, but they didn't cook like grandma could cook. Grandma Zimmerman. Yeah. But it'd be kind of cool to go out there and see the world, see what it tastes like, and see what people are like. I know when it comes to my heritage, being English, if they have flavor, they keep cooking it till it's gone. So, you know, it's kind of the way they boil their meat to this day.

Damn. You know, horrible.

At least the Germans cook with lard. I'm telling you, makes a difference.

No, they can cook some meat. But they're all obsessed with pork. I lived in Germany for a year and it's just pork every... I'm so sick of pork. I just don't... there's chicken but it's hard. You got to like strangle somebody to find some beef. Like you got to find a Turkish man and kidnap him. It's like, where's the beef?

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Host48:19

Yeah. Hey, speak about beef. You had a Iran in biblical eschatology with Iran, right, Chris?

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Christopher Crane48:32

Yeah. I think everyone's got it wrong. I think God is doing what he's... his plan is going forth. And I think, you know, I'm not saying I don't talk to Trump on the phone every day. I'm not saying he's good. I'm not saying he's bad. I don't know.

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Co-Panelist48:53

But it's every other day.

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Christopher Crane48:55

Yeah. Every other day. Yeah.

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Co-Panelist48:56

Every other... Yeah. There you go.

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Christopher Crane48:58

But the things going on over there, I put everything through the filter of the Bible anyway, through prophecy. So when I retired in '07, I discovered YouTube. So I pretty much got into every conspiracy theory you could think of. I'm not an expert on them, but I can talk about pretty much all of them. I mean, there's some new ones maybe that I can't do. But then, well, let me back up a little bit. You've got to realize that when Jesus was tempted in Luke chapter 4, when Satan said, 'All the kingdoms of the world are mine, and I give them to whoever I want.' I say that that's probably the only time the devil ever told the truth. Jesus never corrected him or rebuked him about it. And you have to understand that what's going on in the world, the United Nations and everything, it's a Luke chapter 4. There's good people, don't get me wrong. There's good people in government, but the government system...

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Co-Panelist50:11

No, there's...

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Christopher Crane50:11

Yeah, there are.

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Co-Panelist50:13

Okay. My heart...

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Christopher Crane50:15

It's less. It's less. I mean they used to be quite a few and now the reason we're where we're at is because it's getting hard to find. But they are still there. But what I'm saying is the systems of the government. You have to understand the Luke chapter 4 paradigm. They're ultimately run by Satan himself. Whether it's the British government, I'm sorry guys, the United States government, any government in the world. Okay, it's in that Luke chapter 4 paradigm. So, but we're called as Christians to come and be a part of it so we can hold it at bay so we can not make it so bad. Okay, so I got to say that especially since we're running for office. But anyway, so I'm always kind of up on politics and things like that and like the Russian Ukraine war. And you'll find out that after World War II, every war has been choreographed by the United Nations. I'm not saying that people aren't really dying and it's not a real, you know, general strategy or whatever, but basically it's all choreographed. I'm not going to go too much into that. But, so the strange thing I found out about Iran is it actually started in December. Like the last couple days of December is when it started. And the reason my attention perked up is because I could tell it wasn't scripted because you guys, well, not you guys, but the corporate media and everything didn't really start reporting on it until over a month later, like in February, even in March, they were trying to keep it on the hush hush. So, I was suspect because usually it's all scripted. They have their stories. They have their news people to come out and tell you what to think and what to believe and everything. And I'm watching what's going on from people that live in Iran, people from Iran, but the corporate media and there's no script. So, I'm going, this is not a Luke chapter 4 or a United Nations thing, if you want to take the Bible out of it. This is something different because they're staying very silent for a long time because they didn't plan on this. It wasn't in there. It wasn't in one of their little scripts.

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Co-Panelist52:53

They're still in... Was it Venezuela? They were still... Yeah. about at that time.

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Christopher Crane53:01

Yep. Yep. Doing stuff like that and everyone's frozen.

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Co-Panelist53:05

So I... look, there's something like when you really study war, you realize it never ends. It just goes on and on and on. One event flows into another. And there really is no clear-cut end to any of it because as soon as World War II ended, that's when the Cold War started. you know, there's no... And then that's when espionage really took off and that... you remember the president helicopter crash mountains in 2024.

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Christopher Crane53:39

Yeah.

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Co-Panelist53:46

You...

Wow. I've never had that happen before.

Yeah.

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Christopher Crane53:53

So, the Iranian coup started in 2024 when they killed the president and did a regime change. So, that's what I'm trying to get at. So, I'm waiting for them to cut us off again.

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Co-Panelist54:06

Yeah. So, anyway, wait. Never mind. Go ahead.

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Christopher Crane54:09

Okay. So, I'm getting into why I got to start looking in scripture because they're too silent. Everything's scripted. They're never silent. And then they're silent for a week. Then they're silent for two weeks. And then you're in January and they're still not reporting on it. And I'm watching people that live there with, you know, 100,000 people in the streets saying, 'Long live the king. Long live the king. Bring back the king.' And then I find out from talking to people that have lived there their whole lives. Because I'm 68. So 1970 the Iran... I'm an Iran baby. The Shah baby, you know.

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Co-Panelist54:52

Mhm.

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Christopher Crane54:54

I found out something new.

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Co-Panelist54:56

What's that?

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Christopher Crane54:57

Iran is not... never has been a Muslim country ever.

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Co-Panelist55:03

Mhm.

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Christopher Crane55:04

Never. No.

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Co-Panelist55:06

I've been lied to you again.

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Christopher Crane55:08

Another lie exposed. I thought I had uncovered them all.

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Co-Panelist55:13

Zara, that's a pretty big one.

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Christopher Crane55:16

Yeah. So, that's a pretty big one. So, then I find out that they're calling the people of Iran, not the United States government, not the United Nations, the people of Iran are calling for the Shah's son for the king to come back, Reza Pahlavi. And then I find out that his wife is a Jew. And then I find out that there's pictures of him at the Wailing Wall with a Yarmulke on. So now imagine... imagine no Islamic terrorism and Iran and Israel becoming friends. How does that change the world? And so...

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Co-Panelist56:10

Go ahead. Go ahead, Colin.

No, no, no, no. Keep... I don't... I hate interrupting people. It's a bad habit. Please keep going.

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Christopher Crane56:16

So, you got to remember they're not a Muslim country. They've never been a Muslim country. And one of the biggest churches, biggest growing churches, Christian churches in the world is the Christians in Iran.

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Co-Panelist56:34

Okay.

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Christopher Crane56:36

So I'm like, this is not a United Nations thing. This is not a Luke chapter 4 thing. This has got to be a God thing. And so then I went to go look for a scripture to back up my theory. And what I got to is Psalm chapter 2. You guys are there if you want to read... if one of you guys want to look it up and read it real quick. We can. It's not very long. But first of all, I figure what's going on is Psalm chapter 2.

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Co-Panelist57:17

So this is Psalms 2 ESB. Why do the nations rage and the people plot in vain? The kings of the earth set themselves and the rulers take counsel together against the Lord and against his anointed, saying, 'Let us burst their bond apart and cast away their cords from us.' He who sits in the heavens laughs. The Lord holds them...

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Christopher Crane57:43

Okay. So, slow down. So, let's stop right there. So, we know the whole thing I was just talking about. The United Nations, the Luke chapter 4, all these satanic influenced governments and kingdoms have always been raging against the plans of God. They have the UN has their plan. They have their script, right? That's what I've been talking about. And while they're doing all that, the Lord just sits back and laughs at them. Okay, continue. Go ahead, Cory.

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Co-Panelist58:13

He who sits in the heavens laughs, the Lord holds them in derision. Then he will speak to them in his wrath and terrify them in his fury, saying, 'As for me, I have set the king on Zion my holy hill. I will tell of the decree. The Lord said to me, you...'

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Christopher Crane58:35

So stop right there. So stop right there. Who's the king? Who's the king on the hill?

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Co-Panelist58:42

No.

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Christopher Crane58:46

Who's the king?

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Co-Panelist58:49

God.

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Christopher Crane58:50

Well, yeah, but who?

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Co-Panelist58:53

And the person. Yes. Yes.

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Christopher Crane58:57

So now you've got the father and the son talking. Okay. So he's talking about the king. He's talking about King Jesus because you got to remember Jesus is getting ready to come back. So he's talking about the king. Okay. Now Jesus the king, what you're about to read is saying this is what the father on the throne is telling Jesus. Go ahead.

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Co-Panelist59:22

The Lord said to me, 'You are my son; today I have begotten you. Ask of me, and I will make the nations your heritage, and the ends of the earth your possession. You shall break them with a rod of iron and dash them in pieces like potter's vessels.'

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Christopher Crane59:41

Okay, so stop right there. So, and I like the King James better, but it's still good. It still gets the point across. So what I am saying is that because of... well, future prophecy which I'll get into next, in order to fulfill future prophecies and because of the growing church in Iran, when the UN was coming up with their plans and their scripts and all that other nonsense, because of the growing Christians in Iran and because of what they've gone through being kidnapped or taken hostage by Islam, that Jesus told the father, 'Give me Iran.' And what did he just say in Psalm 2? If he asks of me, I will give Jesus any nation that he wants. And I'm saying in Psalm 2 that what we're saying is that not because Colin, not because of Israel, not because of the Jews calling it. I'm saying because Jesus called for the nation and so God is using Trump and the United States military and everything to give the nation to Jesus, back to Jesus.

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Co-Panelist1:01:06

You know what we've missed in this... Go ahead. Sorry.

We missed one thing in this podcast. What about the Dutch? I'm just saying. Well, the Dutch took over South Africa. But you're gonna sidetrack me.

No, no, no. But...

No, it's fine.

Colin's thing is everything links back to the Dutch. It's an ongoing theme of the podcast, but go ahead. But no, I don't want to interrupt you on your flow. If you're trying... you want... I want to hear your point.

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Christopher Crane1:01:36

So Cory, I'm saying that Jesus has called for the nation of Iran and God is using whatever Trump and the United States to give it to him. Keep going.

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Co-Panelist1:01:48

Now therefore, O kings, be wise; be warned, O rulers of the earth. Serve the Lord with fear and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the son lest he be angry...

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Christopher Crane1:02:01

And right there, stop right there. Stop right there. Kiss the son. That means you better... You're a leader. You're a leader of a nation. No matter what your religion is, no matter what you believe, whatever, you better respect my son. Okay? Again, I'm not saying that Trump is good or bad. I'm not saying what I believe, but he kisses the son. He respects the son. I know Netanyahu is evil or an atheist, whatever you want to call him, but he still will kiss the son. He will still show respect to Christians. I know he doesn't respect us, but outwardly publicly, he will kiss the son. And the IRGC, the Islamists would not kiss the son. They would not show any kind of respect to Jesus or to Christianity. And okay, so keep... So that's what kiss the son means is you're a leader. You're in charge of a country. That's fine. It's freedom of choice and freedom of will and all that. Do what you want, but as a leader, you better watch out and you better kiss the son or what's going to happen, Corey.

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Co-Panelist1:03:23

Lest he be angry, that's Jesus. And you perish in the way for his wrath is quickly kindled. Blessed are all who take refuge in him.

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Christopher Crane1:03:37

Yeah. And that's it. That's the end.

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Co-Panelist1:03:41

Yeah. So, what I'm saying is not only did Jesus call for the nation of Iran because... not because of Israel, but because of the Christians, God's going to give it to him. And the Ayatollahs and the IRGC would not show any kind of respect at all. Matter of fact, it was the opposite. And all those things in Psalm 2 has happened to them in the last few months when we started bombing the crap out of them. Now again, now how does this fit into prophecy? And I don't have time to go into that, but there's going to be a third temple built. So what I think by causing...

Well, I did think it was interesting that Iran hit the temple... the mosque that's on the temple mount. They hit it with a bunch of drones. I thought that was kind of... that.

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Christopher Crane1:04:42

Yeah. So, what I think is going to happen is as a result of a peace and a partnership between Iran and Israel because the IRGC was kind of the head of all the Islamic terrorism around the world, Hezbollah and all that other stuff, Hamas. When that is gone, with that partnership and peace between Israel and Iran, it is going to cause the conditions for the third temple to be built, which as a Christian is blasphemy. Okay? I don't need to make sacrifices in a temple. All the last sacrifices have been made. Okay, fine. However, we do know through prophecy that the antichrist is going to go into that blasphemous temple and declare himself God. So, it has to be built. So, I think what you're seeing is Psalm 2 and you're seeing the conditions prepared for the third temple to be built in Israel. Not because it's a good thing, okay? We as Christians don't need a sacrifice. That's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying it's a fulfillment of prophecy. And I think it's going to go to the conditions of... look this up for me, Corey. I think it's Ezekiel 37:14 where Israel will live in peace and safety.

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Co-Panelist1:06:02

Ezekiel 31:14.

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Christopher Crane1:06:03

No, 37.

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Co-Panelist1:06:05

37.

Where it says they'll live in safety with no walls, no gates.

And I will put my spirit within you, and you shall live, and I will place you in your own land. Then you shall know that I am the Lord. I have spoken and I will do it, declares the Lord.

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Christopher Crane1:06:29

No, that's not it. That's not it.

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Co-Panelist1:06:33

It's in line with what you're trying to say. So...

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Christopher Crane1:06:36

But no, but that's not it.

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Co-Panelist1:06:40

Okay. All right. I'm going to search it up on my phone. I want to find it.

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Christopher Crane1:06:46

Okay. It's pretty well known. It's a pretty well-known scripture.

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Co-Panelist1:06:50

Do you mind if I... I'll elaborate just kind of... and by the way, I really... and this isn't flattery. I really like being around and talking with people like you that I can tell that you have a really pure intention and pure heart and it's really nice to just be around people that are authentic and you're willing to put it out there and I really like that. And I don't know the answers to this exactly. I respect prophecy and this isn't a butt at all. Because I don't know... there are some factors that have popped into my awareness that have... have you ever seen Dune?

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Christopher Crane1:07:41

Yeah.

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Co-Panelist1:07:43

Okay. You know the Bene Gesserit Plans Within Plans?

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Christopher Crane1:07:50

That's the spin-off.

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Co-Panelist1:07:53

No. Well, I didn't watch... I heard it was crap and then I watched like half the first episode. I'm like, 'Oh, this is garbage. This is so bad. They should be ashamed of themselves. It was so horrible.' But the Dune movies are fantastic. I love the books. I've read them since I was a teenager. They're so good. I just... and I didn't understand why I liked them until I got older and got into like geopolitics and religion and philosophy and all this other stuff. And I'm like, 'Wow, Frank Herbert is on another level.' It's not even that you have to agree with the storyline of what he's outlined. It's just that someone could put a cosmology like that together is so interesting. But...

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Christopher Crane1:08:35

Hey, guys, I have to... you guys keep going because you're going to send this to me. So, I'm going to step out and I've enjoyed the conversation, but I don't want you guys to end because you're having a good roll.

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Co-Panelist1:08:49

Okay. So, we got started a little late, but... So, guys, I'll see you guys on the flip side.

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Christopher Crane1:08:57

Okay.

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Co-Panelist1:08:58

Have a good night.

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Christopher Crane1:08:59

Right. All right. So, I found it. It's 38:11. I was off. It's 38:11. So before you read it, 38:11 is a pre... I always just used to call it tribulation because I'm a Christian of the '90s, but all the critical semantic people are all the tribulation's not seven years. Okay, fine. So the 70th week of Daniel, okay, that's what I call it now, which is seven years. Okay, it is. So the Ezekiel 36, 37, 38 war, most of the end times preachers and stuff believe that that is a war right before the 70th week of Daniel. Okay. So in Ezekiel 38:11 it describes Israel as living in peace and safety without gates or walls. And I've been studying end times. That's my specialty. You know, everybody, people that agree with me, people that don't disagree, I listen. I bring it all and I just go to the scripture. Okay. But anyway, a lot of end time... brilliant end time scholars have not been able to figure out how Ezekiel 38:11, those conditions of Israel living in peace and safety without walls and gates could occur. Because we all know the condition of Israel has been since they became a nation in 1948. It's been walls and it's been wars and terrorism and all this other stuff. And so what I think is happening with Iran when Pahlavi becomes the king and Israel and Iran become partners, it's going to set not only the conditions for the third temple, but it's going to set those conditions in Ezekiel 38:11. And you can go ahead and read it, Corey, if you want to.

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Co-Panelist1:10:56

Okay. And says, 'I will go up against the land of unwalled villages. I will fall upon the quiet people and dwell securely. All of them dwell without walls and having no bars or gates.'

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Christopher Crane1:11:14

Yeah.

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Co-Panelist1:11:15

To see. And it's talking about Israel. If you put it in context, they're talking about Israel.

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Christopher Crane1:11:20

Yeah. And so no one could figure out how is Israel going to live in that condition where they're living in peace with no gates or walls or bars or anything like that. And I think that's what we're getting ready to see.

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Co-Panelist1:11:32

But backing up, it says on 10... on 'thus says the Lord God, on that day thoughts will come into your mind and you will devise an evil scheme.'

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Christopher Crane1:11:44

Yeah.

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Co-Panelist1:11:45

And that's basically...

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Christopher Crane1:11:48

Yeah. It's basically, if you back up, it's basically Russia is attacking Israel. And a lot of scholars believe that this is, we call it the Ezekiel 37-38 war, and it's a pre-70th week of Daniel war where Russia attacks Israel. So, what I'm saying is those conditions of peace and safety without walls, bars, and gates has never existed in Israel. That's my point. And I suspect and again Colin, I'm not saying I'm right. I'm just trying to figure it out. I'm looking at scripture to see what are the possibilities and stuff. And could it be possible that if Pahlavi does become the new leader of Iran... he's not going to. It's going to be Muhammad. It's the former president that's being lined up in my opinion.

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Co-Panelist1:12:42

Yeah. And you could be right. You absolutely could be right.

No, that guy is a like City of London UN agent that they've been trying to coordinate... but the people are not going to accept that because it's not...

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Christopher Crane1:12:56

Now it's not to say that the Shah's regime was as bad as we all made it out to be because you know the CIA overthrew him like that was Operation Ajax.

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Co-Panelist1:13:07

Yeah, that was part of... Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, but like you said, that guy is the UN guy.

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Christopher Crane1:13:15

And you're right. If you're looking at the way you usually look at things, you could... I'm not saying you're wrong. You could still be right. But that's what the betting person would say. But what I'm saying, if Pahlavi, who's not the UN guy, who's the people guy, then I think I'm...

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Co-Panelist1:13:33

I'm saying he is a UN guy.

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Christopher Crane1:13:36

Who? Pahlavi.

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Co-Panelist1:13:37

Yes. It doesn't look like that on the surface, but if you look how he's been propped up, he's all over mainstream media. They've been literally like begging for this to happen.

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Christopher Crane1:13:49

No, you said the Muslim president.

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Co-Panelist1:13:52

No, I'm saying that... Oh, god. What's his name?

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Christopher Crane1:13:55

Pahlavi is the Shah's son.

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Co-Panelist1:13:58

Oh, I'm sorry. No, no, that's... Yeah, I'm saying Pahlavi is the UN agent. Yes. In my opinion. I could be wrong. I'm totally open being wrong about that. That's fine. Like, we're guessing here, but and I hear what you're saying. It's sound and I don't want to disrupt your flow. You're...

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Christopher Crane1:14:17

Not at all. Not at all, Colin. Not at all. Because like I said, I'm just trying to look at scripture and I'm trying to use scripture to figure out... because one mistake people make with prophecy is try to foretell the future.

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Co-Panelist1:14:30

Yes. It's...

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Christopher Crane1:14:31

That's not what prophecy is about. Prophecy is when it's occurring to look at scripture and recognize what's happening as it's happening. And that's what I'm doing. I'm saying, is Psalm 2 happening in front of us? And is it going to lead to Ezekiel 38:11 and the temple? That's my thought.

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Co-Panelist1:14:55

I think it's very possible that they're going to do a third temple, but I think the temple may be more in a sense it's going to be something that's going to bring all the religions together.

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Christopher Crane1:15:10

Yeah.

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Co-Panelist1:15:11

That seems to be what everything is like... Chrislam, Judaism, something like that. And I mean, the Pope is literally teeing this up like... and they've gotten rid of the last three and they're like getting rid of them in stages to like create the conditions for this. Like that's happening, but it's being done on purpose. It's not like this is...

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Christopher Crane1:15:35

This is the thing about the eschatology of this. I'm not saying that's not going to happen. And I actually think it's very likely it will, but it's more that it's going to be of the design of man using eschatology as a manipulative tool to control people's minds and be like, 'Okay, now the temple is here. Now we are unified and the kingdom of heaven is coming and we're all unified together in this beautiful unification process that globalism has brought us.'

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Co-Panelist1:16:10

Yeah. They're trying to build a one world church because they can't quite... they can't get rid of religion. It's too much of a complicated factor for them to factor into their little algorithms to figure out how to manipulate us. Like they got to get a handle on all that. The Muslims are... they're actually kind of tricky to control. They're fickle. Let's put it that way. The Christians, there's 70,000 denominations of... God bless you if you try to control that, you know, good luck. And then the Jewish sect is extremely complicated to understand because it's so many factions and different belief structures. And I'm looking at this more from a... less from an eschatological... I'm looking more at this from a wargaming perspective right now.

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Christopher Crane1:17:04

But I'm willing to go there with you, too. I grew up a Seventh-day... I'm a Seventh-day Adventist. So... or I'm not now, but I grew up that way. So dude, I was embedded in this stuff since I was eight. So I know all about what you're talking about.

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Co-Panelist1:17:16

Yeah. And like what you're saying is I don't give a rat's butt about the temple, you know? I don't need it. I got Jesus. Yeah.

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Christopher Crane1:17:23

What I'm saying is when that temple is built, I'm excited because that means that's one more prophecy to be fulfilled and that tells me that's like a mile marker that Jesus is coming back really, really soon. That's why it excites me.

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Co-Panelist1:17:42

The temple itself... the one thing that... so in Dune and I'm not going off of Dune as my Bible, but I'm saying use...

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Christopher Crane1:17:51

I know, I know it's...

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Co-Panelist1:17:53

I'm using it as an example because we've all seen it and everyone knows so it's a common reference point but yeah, you know the Mahdi, the Messiah, like every... there's a Messiah myth and story that one day they're going to come back. What Christ did when he came here was something so profound that you cannot deny it. We did not have individuated sense of self really. The Greco-Roman era built that up where people can kind of... came in my opinion and other people... it's not just mind... but I won't go into that but that people were more in a collective mind state like a hive mind. That's kind of like they were self-organized in that way. You're a smith, Mr. Smith, you're the... you are what you are in the process of our civilization. You're not an individual with rights or what? What are you talking about? No. Christ came in and said, 'You are solely responsible to your father and he loves you.' Nobody in the history of the world has ever said that and made that clear and lived it out and brought it into reality. That needed to happen for us to form egos. Now, egos are a problem because now all of a sudden we're the direct emissary to God and it's like we get a little... I'm directly... you know, it's a bit of a double-edged sword, but we got to tame that, you know, and humble ourselves again. But we do that through the ego as well. The ego is the... it's just a word. Words point to things, right? Words point to something deeper. I'm just using a word, but it's basically the individuated self. And Christ lived that out, died for it, and showed us this is what you do. And in so doing, he brought the Christ, what the Romans called the Christ, into every soul that awoke to that. So Christ, in my opinion, and this is a controversial opinion especially with Christians, and I'm totally okay with people disagreeing with this, but it seems to me Christ has... I'm of the mind that Christ has already come back and he's manifested within the body of Christ.

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Christopher Crane1:20:12

Mhm.

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Co-Panelist1:20:13

And that's greater works than you... than I... you will do because I'm just one. You will become many and we have...

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Christopher Crane1:20:22

Yeah. And of course I'm going to disagree with you.

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Co-Panelist1:20:25

That's okay. That's totally okay.

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Christopher Crane1:20:27

But the only reason... and I mean you're right in a sense that he lives inside us.

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Co-Panelist1:20:34

Yes. So he has come back but...

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Christopher Crane1:20:40

I'm going to scripture. Okay. And I'm going to go to Daniel chapter 9 and I'll tell you scripturally is why... not I disagree with you because I disagree with you. I disagree with you because of Daniel chapter 9 where it says what Christ... the angel comes to Daniel and gives Daniel the prophecy and tells you what Christ is going to do on the 70th week. If you're looking it up Corey I see you looking at stuff.

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Co-Panelist1:21:13

I'm looking at it.

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Christopher Crane1:21:14

Yeah. When he... this is the whole... Daniel chapter 9 is the season of prophecy. And so what I'm saying is scripturally Daniel chapter 9 has not been completely fulfilled yet. And it's going to... it's the word of God. It's going to be fulfilled, right?

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Co-Panelist1:21:34

It will. But here's something and I've only awoken to this and I may be wrong, but it doesn't... I'm going to suggest this that also that maybe... you know, 'my kingdom is not of this earth.' The kingdom of heaven is within. So I'm kind of more in the esoteric Christianity stream of things where... now there is like... I don't view the spiritual world separate from the physical. I think of it as one and the same, but there are layers to it. You know the whole 'as above so below' that there's... that we're in a fractal world that as the higher world is so are we but maybe more in a dense fashion. And I'm wondering that the point of saving souls is to save souls, not the physical world of the carbon that we're in.

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Christopher Crane1:22:37

Right. And what I'm telling you is scripturally that's why he came the first time, you're right, was to save souls. But that's not his only purpose.

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Co-Panelist1:22:47

So the second time is to come and save our bodies and our egos.

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Christopher Crane1:22:51

No, the second time is to come back and take the world back, right? Because Luke chapter 4, we abdicated our authority.

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Co-Panelist1:23:01

So in your mind, what does that look like?

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Christopher Crane1:23:05

You got to go read Revelation.

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Co-Panelist1:23:07

No, I did. I have. I've read the Bible backwards and forwards. I'm with you. I've read Revelation, but you can interpret that a number of ways.

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Christopher Crane1:23:16

Well, it's not... people Christians read the Bible like a technical manual sometimes.

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Co-Panelist1:23:22

Right. Right. Balsamic. And it's way more complicated than that.

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Christopher Crane1:23:26

But the best way to do it is to interpret scripture with scripture. That's how you get a better understanding. So, Revelation 5, the opening of the scrolls, that is the deed to the government of the earth. Jesus is taking it back. The souls were saved. Jesus is taking care of the sin issue. But in Daniel chapter 9, he's going to put an end to it all over the world. If you read Daniel chapter 9...

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Co-Panelist1:24:06

No, I agree he will. I just think that... I just wonder if it's going to happen in a more subtle way with less special effects that I...

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Christopher Crane1:24:19

Ah, where'd your volume go?

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Co-Panelist1:24:21

It's going to happen more in the inner world.

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Christopher Crane1:24:25

Your volume cut out. Say that again.

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Co-Panelist1:24:28

I... so I grew up around Seventh-day Adventists and they're expecting like special effects and a chariot to come out of the skies and they're all going to be lifted up and all the bodies in the ground are going to rise up from their sleep and there is archetypal... there's truth to what they're saying. There is like... it resonates for a reason but they're thinking of it with a materialistic mind.

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Christopher Crane1:24:54

Yeah. And in the spiritual world, you don't... it's the material world matters, but it's not nearly even... it's not even half the story. It's like 1% of what's actually happening behind the scenes in my opinion that the spiritual world is always in motion. And when we rise from the... I mean you could interpret because one of the things with God that I've wondered about is one... especially with Revelation. Revelation is fascinating to read and it's something I've pondered on for a long time. But it's almost as if Revelation is always happening. Always. Like the process of the apocalypse has been... I read it and I'm like this has been my spiritual development as an individual.

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Co-Panelist1:25:48

Well, yeah. And because God works in patterns. Absolutely. I mean, yeah, fractals.

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Christopher Crane1:25:52

You can go into the cell structures and see the same patterns of God. So, yeah, that's just a pattern. But so... and again, I take the Bible literally.

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Co-Panelist1:26:06

I... yeah, I know. I...

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Christopher Crane1:26:08

That's okay. And I do too, but I'm saying it's literal and it's more...

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Co-Panelist1:26:13

People when we take things literal, we're trying to put timestamps on things. Well, what if it's happening all the time?

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Christopher Crane1:26:19

And what you said, Jesus came to save souls, right? Yeah. Of course, we agree on that. That's been taken care of. But we still got this thing. This sinful, dying, decaying thing. So yeah, when you're saying... if you want to talk about rapture, Thessalonians chapter 4, one of the great promises of Christianity is a new body, a new spiritual body. That's one of the promises we have.

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Co-Panelist1:26:50

But I've seen that happen to people in my life that they do get new spiritual... like their body literally changes as their spirit changes.

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Christopher Crane1:26:59

Yeah. But they're still going to die. Their body's going to die eventually. So...

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Co-Panelist1:27:04

But we're going to get a body that's not going to die in Thessalonians 4.

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Christopher Crane1:27:08

But that... see, when I hear that I'm like I don't... like that's like I don't care if I get a body. I'm a soul. I'm a spirit.

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Co-Panelist1:27:15

Yeah, but you got to have a...

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Christopher Crane1:27:17

My body is important. I understand that we need to respect and revere our bodies. It's a gift from God. And they're not just meat sacks that we got... well, related into. You know, if you want to settle this, hold on. God, we got to have a spiritual body.

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Co-Panelist1:27:34

Wait, the way to settle this whole thing is we got to look at what transpired after the resurrection. Jesus didn't just have a spiritual... He had the two that stayed together in the sense that when Thomas came up, you know, came up to him and he had to touch the side of Jesus, the hands and all that kind of stuff. It was a solid figure. And when God recreates in the Revelation towards the end, it is bringing us back to what Eden was supposed to be, back to restoring back to that which was a solid body, which was spirit and body together, and reunited as it was originally intended. Because that's what Jesus is. It is the both together as it was intended and he is what we are going to be in the future. For him is the present. And so when you try to figure this out, if you look at what the model is right there.

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Christopher Crane1:29:00

Yeah, right there.

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Co-Panelist1:29:00

I agree. I agree with what you just said. The... it's the thing that... man, we're gonna... I don't want to keep you too much longer, but this is so great. My wife's getting ready for bed.

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Christopher Crane1:29:17

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'll... like maybe that's a good place to stop... but I love talking with you, Chris. You're a real man. You're... thanks... a real gem.

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Co-Panelist1:29:28

I like talking to you, too, brother.

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Christopher Crane1:29:29

I know you're real. So, could you before you sign off or before we sign off, could you talk about your campaign and about what's happened to you? And maybe just real quick, and I won't press any questions, but it's important what you're doing. And like you said, it is important for men of faith to step into the gap in this... in the mundane battle space and project light. We have to do that. That's our mission. That's our mission right now. And I applaud you for that. And I tried during COVID and I just did it at the city council level and that was hell. And I'm still recovering. So like salute to you boys. I got your back. You know what I mean?

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Co-Panelist1:30:21

Way back. You go. Yeah. I'm like I need a break.

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Christopher Crane1:30:25

Well, I'll make it quick. I mean, we've talked about it. I have a gun store. So SB17 last year was a nightmare for me. That was the longest 30 days of my life. I mean, I was fasting. I was praying every day. I wouldn't look at Facebook and updates because it caused fear, which is the opposite of faith. And I said, I'm not even going to look at updates. I'm just going to have faith. God, we need a miracle. But the thing is they did it. They do it every year. And I know a lot of Democrats, you know, will come into my gun store and buy guns. They take my class. And I know the Democrats where I live like their guns, too. And I know literally hundreds of people in my district, hundreds were calling our state rep, you know, wanting him to vote no on SB17, the ban all guns law, whatever you want to call it. And I just felt like we had absolutely no representation whatsoever. And it just occurred to me, you know what, all these politicians, they represent their party now. It's not the original idea of representing their people. They just represent their party. And so the guns thing is what really, you know, I guess spurred me on to going to do it. But it's more than that. It's like, you know what? The Republican party didn't ask me to run. You know, no one else... I just went and I'm running on my own. I'm Chris Crane. You know what I mean? My wife was an independent. She had to quickly change to Republican so she could sign my petition so I could get on the ballot. Okay? And so, and we've talked, man, Colin, it was great talking with you. We've talked a lot about scripture and God and everything, but as a government representative that I'm going to represent the people, okay? We can disagree on religion. We can disagree on issues. And I think what they do is they ask us to make a stance on an issue just to divide us from people. And I'm not going to answer those... I have deep convictions, but those are my convictions. You know, and if they ask me a question, my answer is going to be I'm going to represent the people in district 10. You need to ask the people in district 10 what they think about that issue and then I am going to be a proper representative for the people in my district. Not for the party or my donors, which I don't have any, but even if I did, I would even tell them I'm representing my people. And that's why I'm running to get some representation back. And the last thing I want to say is what's happened is the political parties is supposed to be a tool to get you elected. And it's a good tool. It works. I'm okay with that. But what's been happening is after the candidates get elected, the parties are trying to govern. That's not their job. Their job is to help candidates get elected. Once I get elected, the party doesn't tell me how to vote. The party doesn't tell me what to do. The people in district 10 are the ones that tell me how to do my job, not the party. And I think when me and Corey get in and a whole bunch of other of us great candidates, independent thinkers, I think we need to make that known to the Republican party that hey, your job is to help us get elected. When election day is over, that's it. Okay? Quit telling us how to govern and quit telling us how to vote. And that's all I got to say about that.

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Co-Panelist1:34:15

God bless you. That's beautiful. We need that. That's... no, that's like... like you said like the little issue... I mean religion it's like it doesn't matter... what matters to me is purity of heart and honesty and truth and you just exude that. Tell you... you just exude light and love and you really care and you sacrifice and you work hard and I... the details don't matter. That's all that matters really at the end of it all because none of us really know 100% that... that's... it's that authenticity and that courage and bravery and just being a real man like thank god real men are coming back into the picture again. We missed you guys like for real. So, so it's come... we're on the comeback.

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Christopher Crane1:35:09

Yep.

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Co-Panelist1:35:10

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Christopher Crane1:35:35

All right, it was awesome guys. Anytime.

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Co-Panelist1:35:38

All right.

Good night.

Bye, guys.

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