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“A predictor is something that predicts asset returns; one way to measure predictability is to construct a factor, which is basically a trading strategy — for example, taking book equity divided by market value gives you a variable that predicts returns and can be turned into a factor.”

Andy Chen
Vice President & Treasurer, General Dynamics Corp
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On , Andy Chen, Vice President & Treasurer at General Dynamics Corp, spoke about asset pricing during Andrew Chen: "Is Everything I was Taught About Cross-Sectional Asset Pricing Wrong?!" | RR 316 on TheRationalReminderPodcast.

Andrew Chen: "Is Everything I was Taught About Cross-Sectional Asset Pricing Wrong?!" | RR 316
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Andrew Chen: "Is Everything I was Taught About Cross-Sectional Asset Pricing Wrong?!" | RR 316
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Meet with PWL Capital: https://calendly.com/d/cpws-jyp-znp Are you curious about the hidden factors driving your investment decisions? Today’s guest is Andrew Chen, a Principal Economist at the Federal Reserve Board who focuses on monetary policy and financial stability. Published in leading journals, his research informs key policy decisions and helps shape the Federal Reserve’s strategy for managing economic challenges effectively. In this episode, Andrew delves into the intricacies of meta-research and asset pricing, focusing on cross-sectional asset pricing predictors, replication, and out-of-sample performance in factor investing. We discuss the significance of open-source data and transparency, highlighting Andrew's creation of the Open Source Asset Pricing project, an indispensable and comprehensive dataset for asset pricing predictors. We also address the challenges of replicating financial studies, publication bias, data mining, and false discovery rates, with Andrew offering practical insights on how these factors impact financial research and investment decisions. For actionable insights that could refine your investment strategies and enhance your understanding of financial research, don’t miss this fascinating conversation! Timestamps: 0:00:00 Intro 0:04:44 Andrew defines asset pricing factors and how it is different from a predictor 0:06:22 Andrew explains how many predictors there are 0:10:55 How many asset pricing factors Andrew was successfully able to reproduce 0:15:58 The implications of this research for the supposed “replication crisis” in cross sectional asset pricing 0:22:01 How the false discovery rate relates to publication bias and out of sample returns 0:27:10 Whether these are the worst-case transaction costs, or if Andrew uses cost mitigation techniques 0:34:09 Which factors, or factor combinations, had the strongest investable expected returns in Andrew's data 0:38:33 How peer-reviewed factors with strong theoretical underpinnings perform relative to naively data mined factors 0:43:54 What this tells us about the academic peer review process 0:47:10 What this tells us about the usefulness of machine learning for asset pricing research 0:51:06 The implications for people using peer-reviewed research for asset allocation decisions 0:54:37 Andrew describes the current state of cross sectional asset pricing 0:58:54 Andrew defines success in his life Links From Today’s Episode: Rational Reminder on Apple Podcasts — https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast... Rational Reminder Website — https://rationalreminder.ca/ Rational Reminder on Instagram —   / rationalreminder   Rational Reminder on X — https://x.com/RationalRemind Rational Reminder on YouTube —    / @rationalreminder   Rational Reminder Email — [email protected] Benjamin Felix — https://www.pwlcapital.com/author/ben... Benjamin on X — https://x.com/benjaminwfelix Benjamin on LinkedIn —   / benjaminwfelix   Cameron Passmore — https://www.pwlcapital.com/profile/ca... Cameron on X — https://x.com/CameronPassmore Cameron on LinkedIn —   / cameronpassmore   Mark McGrath on LinkedIn —   / markmcgrathcfp   Mark McGrath on X — https://x.com/MarkMcGrathCFP Andrew Chen — https://sites.google.com/site/chenand... Federal Reserve Board — https://www.federalreserve.gov/ Andrew Chen on LinkedIn —   / andrew-chen-63394169   Andrew Chen on X — https://x.com/achenfinance Books From Today’s Episode: The Adaptive Markets Hypothesis: An Evolutionary Approach to Understanding Financial System Dynamics — https://www.amazon.com/dp/0199681147 Papers From Today’s Episode: Andrew Chen, Tom Zimmermann, ’Open Source Cross-Sectional Asset Pricing’— https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.c... Kewei Hou, Chen Xue, Lu Zhang, ’Replicating Anomalies’ — https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.c... R. David McLean, Jeffrey Pontiff, ’Does Academic Research Destroy Stock Return Predictability?’ — https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.c... Ilia D. Dichev, ’Is the Risk of Bankruptcy a Systematic Risk?’ — https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.c... Campbell R. Harvey, Yan Liu, Caroline Zhu, ‘...and the Cross-Section of Expected Returns’ — https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.c... Andrew Chen, Mihail Velikov, ‘Zeroing in on the Expected Returns of Anomalies’ — https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.c... Victor DeMiguel paper relating to which factors have the strongest investable expected returns — Andrew Chen, Alejandro Lopez-Lira, Tom Zimmermann, ‘Does Peer-Reviewed Research Help Predict Stock Returns?’ — https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.c...
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Vice President & Treasurer · General Dynamics Corp

Andrew Chen, a principal economist at the Federal Reserve Board, appeared on the Rational Reminder podcast in August 2024 to discuss his research on cross-sectional asset pricing. Chen stated that his views are his own and not necessarily those of the Federal Reserve. He described a predictor as a variable that forecasts asset returns, which can be turned into a factor or trading strategy. Chen outlined three explanations for why cross-sectional predictors exist: they compensate for risk, they result from mispricing, or the statistics are wrong. He noted that academic finance faced a trade-off between open collaboration and close competition, leading his team to create an open-source dataset. Chen reported that of roughly 300 variables collected, about 200 predicted returns in original papers, and his replication judgment replicated all but three, a failure rate of roughly 1–2%. Chen discussed the decay of anomaly returns, stating that if a paper's sample ends in 1989, anomaly returns decline by about 50% from 1990 onward. He said transaction costs eat up about 25–30% of trading-strategy returns in original samples. Chen observed a kink around the mid-2000s in factor returns, which he hypothesized was due to the internet making information more accessible. He suggested that data-mining accounting ratios in 1980 would have uncovered anomalies decades before publication. Chen advised trusting numbers more than text in academic papers, verifying that documented data supports claimed mechanisms.

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