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Peter Muller on fund size

From Episode 47: Pete Muller - Founder of PDT Partners · · Generating Alpha Podcast

“The bigger you get the more volatile you get. Your Sharpe ratio goes down.”

Peter Muller
Founder & CEO, PDT Partners
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On , Peter Muller, Founder & CEO at PDT Partners, spoke about fund size during Episode 47: Pete Muller - Founder of PDT Partners on Generating Alpha Podcast.

Episode 47: Pete Muller - Founder of PDT Partners
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Episode 47: Pete Muller - Founder of PDT Partners
Generating Alpha Podcast
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This week on Generating Alpha, I sat down with Peter Muller, founder and CEO of PDT Partners, one of the most successful and secretive quantitative trading firms in modern finance. Pete's journey is unlike any other on Wall Street. After graduating with honors in mathematics from Princeton, he moved to California to compose music for rhythmic gymnastics teams before landing at BARRA, where he discovered his passion for quantitative finance. In 1993, he pitched Morgan Stanley with a radical idea: using quantitative models rather than human traders to manage portfolios. They gave him two years to make it work. He founded Process Driven Trading (PDT) and built it into a legendary operation that reportedly generated over $20 billion in cumulative profits before spinning out as an independent firm in 2012. What made PDT extraordinary wasn't just the returns—reportedly averaging over 20% annually through 2010—it was the culture. Pete recruited physicists, mathematicians, and unconventional thinkers who thrived in an environment valuing precision and innovation, maintaining consistent performance through multiple market cycles while staying almost entirely out of the public eye. Beyond finance, Pete is an accomplished singer-songwriter and pianist who has released six albums, performed at the Montreux Jazz Festival, and famously busked in New York City subways. He creates crossword puzzles for The New York Times, serves as a trustee of Berklee College of Music, and co-founded Math for America. In our conversation, we explored how Pete builds models that actually work, manages risk through volatile markets, and created a culture that attracts the brightest minds in finance. We also discussed the parallels between music and quantitative trading, and why the best strategies come from asking better questions. It's an extraordinary window into one of finance's most brilliant and enigmatic minds. Presented by: rho.co/generatingalpha
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About Peter Muller

Founder & CEO · PDT Partners

Peter Muller, founder and CEO of PDT Partners, has been discussing his career and philosophy in a series of recent interviews. He described his path from studying mathematics at Princeton to working at BARRA, and then convincing Morgan Stanley in 1993 to let him start a quantitative trading desk called Process-Driven Trading (PDT). According to Muller, PDT averaged 20% annual returns for nearly two decades and was Morgan Stanley's most profitable group before spinning out in 2012. He stated that the firm's flagship fund has never had a down year since 1993. Muller attributed the firm's success to a culture of trust and collaboration, saying "we want our people to be having a great time" and that they aim to be "the best place to work in quantitative finance." He noted that the firm charges 3 and 50 (likely referring to a 3% management fee and 50% performance fee) and has a 3.5% turnover rate. Beyond finance, Muller has spoken extensively about his creative pursuits. He said he took a seven-year sabbatical from finance in 1999 after burning out, during which he traveled and eventually returned to music. He has released seven studio albums, creates crossword puzzles for the New York Times and a monthly music-based puzzle for the Washington Post, and has made the final table at the World Series of Poker. Muller described his motivation as following joy and passion, stating "the things that motivate me are joy — I like doing what I'm excited about." He advised that "if you listen to your heart, if you listen to your gut even if it's telling you something that's contrary... that's just how it's always worked for me."

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