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Jason Mars

Cofounder, Clinc

Search every verified Jason Mars interview, podcast appearance, and on-the-record quote — each transcript cross-checked by AI and human review to confirm speaker identity. Jason Mars, cofounder of Clinc and creator of the Jac programming language, delivered the keynote at JacHacks SF 2026 on July 26, 2026, an event held at Founders, Inc. in San Francisco that brought together over 200 builders and resulted in 77 projects completed in a single day. In his address, Mars discussed the future of AI programming and agentic AI, arguing that the current approach to building software is outdated and that the model itself is becoming a commodity. He cited the high cost of converting code between languages as a problem and presented Jac as a solution that simplifies full-stack development, claiming that a to-do list app can be realized with fewer lines of code compared to traditional stacks. Mars also praised the event's organizing team and encouraged attendees to build and experiment, offering a "key prompt" and a free book as resources for getting started with Jac. He noted that while Nvidia and researchers provided the hardware and models, it is now up to builders to invent new software development methods. Additionally, he commented on the competitive landscape of AI, suggesting that smaller labs are outperforming larger organizations and that government funding can address cost disparities for some labs.

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“The model is becoming a commodity. You're not special if you have a general AI anymore. Right? It's kind of embarrassing in a way. I'm going to say this in a a bombastic way. It's a little embarrassing that these billion-dollar organizations who are special because of Fable 5 and Mythos are being out competed by smaller labs, right? The only differentiator they have is the money to train. And so Xi Jinping, he can so”

“I think it's just a matter of time before Anthropic and OpenAI become irrelevant. Now, why don't you hear about these models? So, these are three models. There's Kimik 2.5, there's a model called GLM 5, and there's another model called MiniMax M2.5. Sounds very cryptic. But, the interesting thing about these models is that they're open weight. That means that they're free, and you can download them and run them yours”

“I honestly think the easiest W in the market right now is to build an out-of-loop agentic AI for a specific purpose for non-technical people. If you do that, you will be a billion dollar company. If you execute on that, you will be because right now who's trying to set up a claw for yourself? Was it easy? You have to essentially be a software engineer. You have to understand what a curl command is. You have to work i”

“The most pressing challenge right now isn't getting the model because we have the model and we're slowly improving that model. The hardware problem is solved, but I make the case that we haven't invented how we build software in this era. So, we're going to be talking about that, but there's a couple interesting things I hope to achieve by the end of this talk. Three things in particular. Number one, Nvidia, OpenAI, ”

“I honestly believe that if you can find a community of people that challenge your ideas and you grow from that and you you develop perspectives around understanding truth, perspectives around study, I think you should pursue that in the way that enriches you most. A four-year The four-year institution is in when it comes to technology and innovation in technology, it's not as relevant as it used to be. I mean, if you”

“The number one trend, and this is a massive shift this year, is 2 years ago I used to talk about, oh, these open weight models and these small language models, etc., will catch up one day. Well, it they've already caught up um, months ago. And it's through models like Kimmy K 2.5, um, MiniMax, uh, M 2.5 and uh, GLM 5. Like these models essentially are performing like Opus 4.6, uh, you know, ChatGPT uh, 5.4, etc. They”

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