Thales CEO and Chairman Patrice Caine discusses the positive long-term impact of increased defense spending and explains ...
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0:02What do you make of these announcements this morning and what do they mean for your business?
3:31Can you just give a bit of color on how the supply chain looks and how difficult it might be to boost your production?
4:37... we had on tariffs, where the latest announcement seems that we might be entering a tit-for-tat trade war potentially, so what does that mean potentially for your business, for the supply chain, and just for potential input costs for you?
5:37Maybe France giving up Thales for a merger with another country in Europe?
7:12Do you think Europe should prioritize European defense procurement, that is, give priority to European companies when they buy the armament?
8:13... coming back to the White House and the announcements regarding Ukraine, the electroshock moment, to take Macron's words, the electroshock moment for Europe to actually jump into action regarding strategic autonomy and defense autonomy?
9:18How long may it take for Europe to catch up in innovation in particular?
10:46Can you just give us an update on how these talks are going?
Hello. We're taking you away from our programming for an exclusive interview with Thales CEO Patrice Caine. European Commission president Ursula von der Leyen has announced 150 billion euros in fresh loans to fund defense investment as part of plans that could mobilize close to 800 billion euros. Von der Leyen also announced changes to budget rules allowing cohesion funds to be used on defense and said the European Investment Bank would work to mobilize private capital. Von der Leyen said that there is a strong consensus among members that the bloc needs to step up. In the various meetings in the last few weeks, most recently two days ago in London, the answer from European capitals has been as resounding as it is clear: we are in an era of rearmament and Europe is ready to massively boost its defense spending both to respond to the short-term urgency to support Ukraine but also to address the long-term need to take on more responsibility for our own European security. Thales reported better than expected 8.3% growth in full year sales. The French defense giant says it expects increased profitability this year, boosted by higher defense spending and recovering air traffic. I'm very pleased to say that I'm now joined for an exclusive conversation with Patrice Caine, the CEO of Thales. Sir, thank you so much for joining us. Can I just very firstly take your take on this breaking news with Ursula von der Leyen and these announcements around boosting EU armament? What do you make of these announcements this morning and what do they mean for your business?
Good afternoon Charlotte and thank you for having me. Probably two things. Number one, on the long term, it shows that Europe has decided to invest more in defense. So on a long trend basis, it reinforces our own conviction that we foresee a decade of growth for Thales in defense. Now at the same time, on the short run, it will not change the equation for 2025. So in terms of immediate sales recognition, it's not something that we see in our figures, but clearly it's a positive on the long run.
And that seemed to be one of the key messages this morning. You're saying we have to wait and see whether all these political pledges that we hear lately, particularly from European leaders given the geopolitical situation, whether this turns into actual orders for us down the line.
Indeed, we see always a kind of gap, which is a natural time lapse between the official statements and some of them started just after the outbreak of the war in Ukraine, and I would say budgetary planning and then contract. So it takes a bit of time, let's say two years from political decision to contracting force. So clearly the future will tell, but again it's very positive for the overall industry, for Europe, to see this strong political momentum.
Yet we see there are still some hurdles beyond that political will that you say might take a couple of years before that translates into orders. I would like to ask you about the supply chain. There's still some bottlenecks on that front. I want to ask you about chips, specific raw materials, and where you source them from, particularly from China. Can you just give a bit of color on how the supply chain looks and how difficult it might be to boost your production?
Indeed, you're right to say that it's still an ongoing challenge. Though we've been able to overcome it in the previous years, still the supply chain has not fully recovered from the Covid period. We still see some tensions here and there in terms of PCB, for instance, to take just one example. So we are working on it. It's improving gradually, it's improving, still not perfect but heading in the right direction.
And given the latest results that we had on tariffs, where the latest announcement seems that we might be entering a tit-for-tat trade war potentially, so what does that mean potentially for your business, for the supply chain, and just for potential input costs for you?
First of all, it's probably a bit too soon to say. I would love to answer your question, but it's a bit too soon to say. We need to understand which type of tariff concerning which countries or which areas in the world. Now, if I take a step back, most of our businesses, and in particular in defense, we are so-called local to local or regional to regional. So when we produce manufactured design equipment, typically for the US DoD, it's in the US for the US, so clearly not being impacted by any kind of tariff. So again, need a bit of time to understand the entire equation, but I'm not that worried as we speak.
Another hurdle for European defense is its fragmentation compared to, for example, the US where you have fewer players. How do you see things going forward? Do you see individual countries in Europe willing to give up potentially that champion? Maybe France giving up Thales for a merger with another country in Europe?
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Caine, P. (2025, March 4). Watch CNBC's full interview with Thales Chairman and CEO Patrice Caine [Interview transcript]. CNBC International Live. CEOInterviews.AI. https://ceointerviews.ai/interview/1005796/
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Patrice Caine. "Watch CNBC's full interview with Thales Chairman and CEO Patrice Caine." CNBC International Live, 4 Mar. 2025. Transcript, CEOInterviews.AI, https://ceointerviews.ai/interview/1005796/.
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