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Matthias Zieschang
Chief Financial Officer, Fraport AG

Fraport CFO Matthias Zieschang: "Wir brechen niemals eine Guidance" - Börsenradio to go

🎥 Aug 10, 2023 📺 Börsenradio ⏱ 22m
Matthias Zieschang ist Finanzvorstand des Jahres 2020. Er hat mit seinem Team Fraport in der Corona-Pandemie liquide und ...
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Host0:00
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Matthias Zieschang0:15
Good day, my name is Matthias Zieschang. I have been the CFO of Fraport AG since 2007 and I am pleased to discuss the figures with you today.
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Host0:25
I saw that you were named CFO of the Year 2020 because you kept Fraport liquid and stable during the worst crisis. As a personal introduction, what does this award mean to you?
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Matthias Zieschang0:43
It was a great joy, especially after that year when everything was at stake. The crisis was the biggest and worst for the aviation industry. When air traffic was grounded in March 2020, nobody knew how it would continue. To have come through it without state aid was a joint achievement. When this award came as a surprise, it was the icing on the cake. It pleased me personally very much.
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Host1:17
Lufthansa is practically at home with you in Frankfurt. How does that work? Do you sit down with Carsten Spohr over a beer and talk about things, or is the friendship not that close?
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Matthias Zieschang1:34
Lufthansa is our largest customer with a market share of over 60%, and that has been the case for decades. We have a system partnership; we depend on each other. The people at all levels have known each other for years. It usually works excellently; sometimes there are conflicts, but that's normal. This system partnership since the mid-1950s is a unique success story that is far from over.
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Host2:19
Let's look at the first half 2023 figures. Revenue rose by a third to 1.8 billion euros, EBITDA grew 18% to 481 million, and the group result improved to 85 million euros from minus 53 million. So the crisis is leveling out. Passenger numbers are up 30% to 27 million, but compared to 2019 you are at 80%. Is the crisis over?
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Matthias Zieschang3:18
2019 was a record year for aviation. Then came Corona. Now we are moving back up. We reference everything to 2019. We are still slightly below in traffic, with strong structural differences. Private travel is already back to 2019, but business travel is still much lower. Financially, companies have become leaner but carry a huge debt backpack from Corona. It will take a few years to restore the balance sheet, even though the P&L already looks good.
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Host5:25
My question wasn't that short. During Corona, people were locked in and couldn't travel. As soon as the silver lining appeared, they were out with masks. On the business side, it was said recovery would take time. What is the ratio now? Actually, it shouldn't matter whether they are business or leisure travelers; the main thing is they come.
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Matthias Zieschang5:57
A passenger is a passenger, but spending also depends on purchasing power. In private travel we have largely reached pre-Corona levels, and in places like Greece we are above, despite airfares being 30–50% higher. Price elasticity is low because air travelers are from upper income groups. For business travel, video conferencing has changed things; we are at about 60% of pre-Corona. I expect it to reach 80–85% in 12–18 months, but not return fully. That doesn't matter because private travel and visiting friends and relatives (VFR) are strong. VFR is growing the most because it has the lowest price elasticity. These segments compensate for the structural decline in business travel.
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Host7:20
After the Corona crisis, the next crisis started with Russia. Airspace is closed. How do you compensate for that? Or doesn't it matter to you because traffic just reroutes?
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Matthias Zieschang7:34
We no longer have passenger flights to Russia. Western tourism to places like Saint Petersburg has dropped to nearly zero. Russians now fly via Istanbul or Abu Dhabi. There are strong relocation effects. We have fully written off our Russian engagement; the book value is zero and loans are written down. We cannot donate the asset because of breach of trust and sanctions, and selling is complicated. We move on very thin ice legally.
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Host10:37
Let's go to where the ice is thicker: investments in Peru, Turkey, Brazil, and especially Greece. You mentioned Greece is booming. How are the international investments doing overall?
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Matthias Zieschang10:52
They are doing excellently. In terms of passenger numbers, they are even better than Frankfurt because these airports have few business travelers, so private travel recovery is complete. Greece is clearly above pre-Corona, Antalya passed the 2019 level in July, and others are at 85–90%. We now earn half of our result abroad, and due to higher growth rates in emerging markets, we expect to benefit disproportionately in the coming years.
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Host12:14
You have not raised the guidance for 2023 but concretized it at the upper end. Why not raise it, given everything sounds so positive?
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Matthias Zieschang12:26
We have a clear principle: we never break a guidance. We are conservative. We want to avoid ever having to lower guidance. Our adjustments reflect that philosophy. We have built trust over 10–15 years and don't want to jeopardize it. Investors can assess that we tend to be a bit better; Fraport always delivers what it promises.
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Host13:15
You have promised a third terminal. Corona delayed it. Give us an update. When will the first planes and passengers use Terminal 3?
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Matthias Zieschang13:30
We are confident that the terminal will open with the summer flight schedule 2026. We monitor construction progress closely; the project is on time and within budget—around four billion euros. We are absolutely sure to meet both the timeline and the budget, unlike some other major projects in Germany.
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Host14:16
There are new security fees of 106 million euros this year, but 75 million euros in revenue fell away due to deconsolidation of FraSec. Why did you give up control over security?
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Matthias Zieschang14:37
It was the other way around. The Federal Police had the responsibility. Long waiting times at security were the biggest complaint. We wanted to take over management to improve efficiency, but the condition was that we could no longer directly employ our own security staff. So we sold 51% of FraSec to Securitas and now have three external service providers. We book the costs with zero margin to the airlines. The result: we have already ordered new scanners, so passengers can keep liquids and electronics in their bags, reducing unpacking and wait times. The feedback shows significantly shorter waiting times.
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Host16:20
Finally, regarding security: there have been successful protests by climate activists at Munich airport. Can such protests be excluded in Frankfurt?
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Matthias Zieschang16:44
No, it cannot be ruled out. It could happen here just as well. We do the maximum possible security-wise. We have 30 km of perimeter fence with cameras and detection, but we cannot build a new Berlin Wall. These are clear breaches of the law and must be dealt with accordingly. I have zero tolerance for these criminal activities.