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Antonio Baravalle
Chief Executive Officer, Luigi Lavazza S.p.A. (Lavazza Group)

Ret@il Summit 2023 – Il punto di vista, Antonio Baravalle Lavazza

🎥 Oct 25, 2023 📺 Retail Summit Italy ⏱ 18m 👁 416 views
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About Antonio Baravalle

Antonio Baravalle, CEO of Lavazza, has described the company as "the biggest of the small" among global coffee players, noting that it competes with much larger corporations such as Nestlé, Coca-Cola (which acquired Costa Coffee), and JDE. He has stated that the coffee market will face a "tsunami of consolidation" and that Lavazza must evolve its governance and management to avoid being acquired by larger competitors. Baravalle has emphasized the need for continuous change, saying that when a company performs well, it should immediately ask itself what it is doing to stay ahead, because other firms are already planning how to overtake it. Baravalle has also spoken about the importance of investing in people and education, arguing that innovation is not just about supporting startups but about creating a culture that accepts failure and encourages trying new things. He has called for greater transparency and professionalism in the relationship between companies and advertising agencies, opposing the practice of agencies being paid through media negotiation rights and arguing that clients should not try to replace agencies with in-house capabilities. He has noted that Lavazza's ownership structure, with two families holding 100% of the shares, allows the company to take a long-term view without the pressure of quarterly earnings reports.

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Transcript (12 segments)
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Interviewer0:03
Welcome to the stage, Dr. Baravalle.
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Antonio Baravalle0:05
Good morning. I'm embarrassed by the introduction. We use the term 'permanent change'. We are the largest of the small with €2.7B revenue, but compared to giants like JDE, Coca-Cola, Nestlé we are tiny. We've been in continuous emergency for 4 years: COVID, raw materials, war. The only way to survive is to keep changing. Our shareholders, two families since 1895, fourth generation, had the foresight to step back and bring in independent board members. We are structured like a public company and could be listed in two months.
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Interviewer3:55
I interrupt you because to make a company fast in response to permanent change, you need a strong structure and governance. Governance is the key to being more reactive.
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Antonio Baravalle4:22
Exactly. We could be listed in two months, so we have control mechanisms like any listed company, but we have extraordinary decision-making speed. For example, the acquisition of Carte Noire was decided in two preliminary meetings and a 1.5-hour board meeting. Speed is key. Also, in a difficult year like this, we can give up 15% of bids without cutting long-term projects because the family allows it. They say, 'We've been the same since 1895, losing a few points of gross margin won't change anything.' We don't have to ask permission from anyone except five people. But we also have a long-term perspective. I've updated the strategic plan many times in the last 5-6 years. It's very difficult to plan long-term today.
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Interviewer6:09
But you used the expression 'long term', which financial markets often don't like because they want to see results every month. Yet the sense of long term might be the only way to face change paradoxically. You have to look at what's happening but also further ahead.
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Antonio Baravalle6:34
Yes, they are two different axes. I am extremely fortunate to have shareholders who, in a year like this, tell me not to cut R&D or hiring. They say, 'We've been the same since 1895.' We have the advantage of two families that are 100% shareholders, so we don't have to ask permission. But with a long-term view. I remember before being hired, I had a last dinner with Marco and Giuseppe Lavazza. They said, 'Sooner or later coffee consolidation will start. We know we have to step back and build a company with top managers. We want to sit at the table with all the coffee players and not be the first bite of the menu.' So we had to grow, change governance, and grow. After a few years, we had a major participation in Green Mountain that generated a huge capital gain. I expected a dividend, but they didn't take out a single euro. That's the long-term vision. So, three assets we focus on: first, environment and social responsibility; second, the world of work; third, the consumer. On environment, it's not a marketing gimmick anymore, it's a duty. We have a term 'sustainability by design'—thinking about products from the start to reduce impact. We already have 65% of packaging recyclable or compostable, aiming for 100% before EU law. On the world of work, smart working has reduced the vending market by 20% when people work from home. We offer 10 days of smart working per month, plus hours for family care and even pet care. We need to attract talent. On the consumer, they are more informed, less loyal. It takes 3 seconds to leave a brand. We see polarization between price and brand experience. The physical-digital blend is fundamental. Our recent acquisition of MaxiCoffee in France is an e-commerce leader but also a physical experience center. The word 'hybrid' is the most contemporary.
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Interviewer10:42
If you had to say now, in 5 years, what do you see?
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Antonio Baravalle10:47
We don't want to become a mouthful. We must continue to grow. Giuseppe Lavazza would say we need to reach €4 billion in 3 years. The three assets I mentioned are key.
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Interviewer12:43
I interrupt you because this is one of the cultural changes: you have to think from the beginning to imagine something with reduced impact, not solve the problem later. This is a huge challenge.
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Antonio Baravalle12:58
Exactly. We are already ahead of EU laws on packaging. We need to study products upstream to anticipate everything. The environment can be a resource, not just a cost. On the world of work, we see the return to office after the smart working euphoria. We try to balance. On the consumer, they are more attentive and less loyal. We need to build relationships. The acquisition of MaxiCoffee shows the hybrid model.
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Interviewer18:06
I thank you for all the insights you gave us, for the story of what you are doing. I also thank you for what you do, because for Italy it's a beautiful symbol. Thank you.
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Antonio Baravalle18:22
Thank you.