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David Cabero
Chief Growth Officer, Société BIC SA

Episodio 1 | David Cabero, Líder de la Categoría Escritura de BIC

🎥 Apr 16, 2025 📺 Tandem | Boosting Decisions ⏱ 36m
En este primer episodio, Ernesto Weissmann, Socio y Cofundador de Tandem, conversa con David Cabero, Líder de la Categoría ...
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Transcript (21 segments)
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Ernesto0:05
Hello everyone, welcome to 'Leaders of Decision' – the series where we talk with top business executives to understand how they think and execute their decisions. Today we have the pleasure of speaking with David Cabero. David is the leader of the writing category, the largest business that BIC has worldwide. He has nearly 25 years of experience at the firm and has worked in many diverse areas. He started in finance, then became a very young general manager, and has been general manager in several countries, finally leading the entire European business. David, as you will see in a few minutes, is an expert in decision-making, having reflected deeply on it, and wrote a book called 'Deciding in Times of Peace and War: Practical Guide to Decide Better', full of advice which I highly recommend. Without further ado, let's talk with David; I hope you enjoy the conversation as much as I will.
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David Cabero1:06
Hello, good morning Ernesto, a pleasure to be with you today.
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Ernesto1:12
Thank you. The purpose of this series is to learn as much as possible from the leaders who participate. Perhaps the first question I'd like to ask you is: in all this time in your career, working in so many countries and businesses, what have you learned about decision-making? How could you summarize some of the learnings so that others can copy them?
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David Cabero1:35
I would differentiate three elements, what I call the P-E-C from experience. First is politics – sometimes decisions are made in companies because someone, your boss, is going to promote you, and to avoid contradicting them so that promotion happens, you're saying yes to a plan that doesn't seem reasonable. That's politics. The second letter P is emotions – ultimately, emotions influence the decision you are going to make, and you are not aware of it. You think you are being logical, but that's not reality. The third is C for culture – the culture of the company makes you not decide something because in the hallway they tell you that Marcel Bich, the founder, would never have done that. That's culture. The first learning is that emotion has a much more important weight than we think. This leads you to know yourself. When you have biases, you control them by asking other people who don't have those biases, and with them you can make a much more balanced decision. That's the learning from 25-28 years in many countries and cultures.
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Ernesto3:48
It seems very interesting to me because the P you call political interests can make one take decisions contrary to what they would want. Emotions too – fear can make one not take rational decisions. And similarly, culture, the way things have always been done. So if I understand correctly, you are saying that in companies all these forces can push you to make decisions that are not the best, and knowing yourself is one way to turn these forces around. Is that it?
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David Cabero4:38
Yes, yes. Not only that, you are going to justify that it is the good decision. The neural system works very well; you end up convincing yourself that the best is not to fire anyone, because things will get better. And why do you think things will get better? Not because the numbers explain that, but because you don't want to reach that conclusion, because that conclusion materially forces you to reduce staff.
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Ernesto5:13
How do you do it at BIC or in your experience to ensure that reason prevails over all these hidden forces? Because you are a successful company, and I am sure that in the long run you make decisions that make the most economic sense. How can one overcome these forces?
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David Cabero5:43
Group decision-making has the benefit of giving you another type of vision, because each person has their own fears, emotions, and political views. When you say 'I'm going to discuss it with a team first,' you open up multiple visions. Using 'fair process' – involve the team, let them discuss, and if the final decision is different but you explain it, they will support it. You need humility, not ego. You also need to see your team from a developer perspective, accept delegation sometimes. Delegation means you decide to delegate and assume the consequences. Group decisions improve through discussion and feedback to reach the best possible decision.
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Ernesto10:05
Excellent. So group decisions, the sum of individual subjectivities, add objectivity. What have you seen at the organizational level that helps a company make more and better decisions efficiently?
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David Cabero11:12
Value is generated mainly at the intersections between departments. In organizational decision-making, I see three important elements: culture, leadership style, and teams. Culture is a sum of convictions and is very hard to change. It consists of values, behaviors, and rituals. Leadership style: I see four simple styles – commanding, teaching, socializing, and processing. Most leaders have two predominant styles, and they adapt to the situation. The third element is teams: using a military analogy, the more 'commanders' there are – humble and taking responsibility – the easier it is to implement a culture of discussion and improve decisions through varied perspectives.
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Ernesto18:21
Thank you, very comprehensive. I'd like to go more personal. You were talking about leadership styles. In your case, what is your style like and how was it formed? What experiences from childhood, from leaders, made the decision-maker you are today?
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David Cabero19:10
An important part comes from birth, your DNA. Personality adjusts very early, maybe by age 10 or 15, and leadership style doesn't change later. Let me tell an anecdote: at age 6 in school in Barcelona, I was the captain choosing the soccer team. So you carry a backpack from early on. I recognize myself in two styles: teaching – explaining, giving sense, storytelling; and socializing – Latin Mediterranean, relationship, meals, discussions, making teams work through connection. Those are my two predominant styles.
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Ernesto21:33
It doesn't surprise me that teaching is one of your styles. You wrote a book 'Deciding in Times of Peace and War' to teach your learnings. If you had to tell someone who hasn't read it the main ideas, what would they be?
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David Cabero22:20
Four ideas. One: the importance of the emotional – logic is not paramount even in war. Two: the world of immediacy – we need to separate important from urgent. Give too much weight to the urgent. Three: short-term vs long-term – Western incentives are short-term, but we need to balance. The easy decision is often wrong, the hard one correct. Four: the importance of culture in all contexts – family, team, company, even couple culture. Those are the four lines of the book.
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Ernesto27:09
Thank you. I'd like to ask about the future. How do you see decision-making going forward with advances in AI and language models like ChatGPT? How will it impact how we decide in organizations?
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David Cabero28:15
Technology is exponential, humans are linear. The combination of technology layers allows things we never imagined. I believe it will be a hybrid of human and technology. The basics of leadership – vision, communication, passion, decision-making, genuine interest in people – won't change. Technology will allow more precise decisions, but the base of decision-making remains. We'll use technology as support, in a hybrid world where human intuition still matters.
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Ernesto32:05
One last question. Young people today have more freedom to decide but also more information and uncertainty. If you had to advise new generations for personal decisions in this turbulent context, what would you say?
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David Cabero33:04
We are less prepared than ever because of social media influence. We have trivialized the consequences of decisions. My advice: think about the consequences and accept them. If you make a mistake, accept it and learn. It's not about luck; it's about taking risk, accepting consequences, and learning. So think about the consequences of your decisions and assume them.
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Ernesto35:34
Spectacular. Thank you so much for your time, your experiences, for sharing the learnings. I loved talking with you as always. Many thanks again for joining. It's been a great pleasure.
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David Cabero35:52
A pleasure as always to discuss with you, Ernesto.
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Ernesto35:57
Conversations like the one we just had with David help us understand how the protagonists think about decisions, how they help their teams and organizations achieve better results. I hope you enjoyed it as much as I did. I invite you to connect with the next recordings of 'Leaders of Decision' where we will listen to other protagonists tell us how they think and execute their decisions. Until next time.