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Guillermo Rauch
CEO & Founder, Vercel

Will Agents Surpass Humans? with Vercel CEO Guillermo Rauch | 🟡🔴🔵 MTS Live

📅 Jun 18, 2026 MTS 31 MIN 97 VIEWS 38 SEGMENTS · 3 SPEAKERS
Guillermo Rauch joins MTS to discuss the explosive growth of AI coding agents, the security guardrails needed for autonomous enterprise software deployment, and the shifting dynamics between visual pixels and AI tokens. The discussion centers on maintaining human control as software starts writing and monitoring itself at global scale. -- ⁠https://x.com/rauchg⁠ -- MTS is a live news and interview show covering technology, business, politics, and culture as it happens. Follow MTS: X | https://twitter.com/MTSlive YouTube |    / @mtsituation   Spotify | https://open.spotify.com/show/4HUNNmV1p...

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Guillermo Rauch, CEO of Vercel, discussed the rapid rise of AI agents in software development and web traffic. He reported that over 50% of Vercel deployments are now made by coding agents, up from 3% six months ago, and that over 70% of logged-out traffic to vercel.com is from agents. Rauch announced Eve, a new open-source framework for building enterprise-grade agents, positioning it as 'Next.js for agents' to provide model-agnostic, production-grade infrastructure. He emphasized the need for guardrails, such as Vercel's secure deployment platform and Vercel Passport, to address security concerns like shadow IT and supply chain attacks. Rauch predicted agents will move from local computers to the cloud, enabling parallelization and cost efficiency. He highlighted Vercel's AI Gateway as a 'CDN for tokens,' noting DeepSeek now accounts for 30% of its token traffic. He concluded that humans remain in control, with a focus on model diversity and maximizing human potential.

Key takeaways

  1. Over 50% of Vercel deployments are now made by coding agents, up from 3% six months ago.
  2. Over 70% of logged-out traffic to vercel.com is from agents.
  3. Vercel announced Eve, an open-source framework for building enterprise-grade agents, described as 'Next.js for agents'.
  4. DeepSeek now accounts for 30% of Vercel's AI Gateway token traffic.
  5. Vercel AI Gateway token growth is accelerating at 50% month over month.

Numbers and commitments

FigureWhat it refers toTypeAt
50% Share of Vercel deployments made by coding agents metric 0:15
3% Share of Vercel deployments made by agents six months ago metric 0:15
70% Share of logged-out traffic to vercel.com from agents metric 0:15
30% Share of Vercel AI Gateway token traffic from DeepSeek metric 15:33
50% Month-over-month growth in Vercel AI Gateway token traffic metric 29:20
30,000 Questions answered by Vercel's D-Zero data analyst agent in a month metric 24:12
700 Number of Vercel employees metric 25:06
15 minutes Time a new GLM model thinks before writing its first line of code metric 12:51
5 times More frequent deployments by teams using Claude Code on Vercel metric 12:51

Chapters

  1. 0:00Agent-driven deployments and web traffic
  2. 1:46Announcing Eve framework
  3. 3:26Why now for agent infrastructure
  4. 5:52Enterprise concerns and guardrails
  5. 8:56Security and sandboxing
  6. 12:51Cloud migration of agents
  7. 15:33Pixels and tokens infrastructure
  8. 20:06Agentic infrastructure definition
  9. 24:12Internal agent use and task displacement
  10. 28:40Human control and future outlook

Questions asked in this interview

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  1. 0:53And the question underneath all of this: when software starts building itself, how do we ensure that humans stay in control?
  2. 1:48I'm so excited to be here and you are live at Ship today, right?
  3. 3:10What's happening at this moment in time where it makes building infrastructure for agents so crucial?
  4. 5:02How far are we from something we can actually trust in production?
  5. 12:04How can you design the infrastructure so that those errors don't happen in the first place?
  6. 15:11Do you still see websites being a big part of the internet, actual pixels, interfaces, UI?
  7. 20:06So what does your agentic infrastructure actually enable?
  8. 24:12What are people not having to do anymore?
  9. 28:18Or who are the different stakeholders working on a certain project?
  10. 28:40Are we still in the driver's seat?
Host 0:00 ↗
One thing that you also said in your keynote that really stood out to me is you said about 6 months ago 3% of Vercel deployments were done by agents and now that number has grown to over 1,000% in growth, which is pretty insane.
Guillermo Rauch 0:15 ↗
Yeah, to give you an idea, that figure was 3% 6 months ago. It's now more than half. So more than 50% of deployments to Vercel are being made by coding agents, which is insane. It seems like the agents are far surpassing humans. When we look at the data for who's browsing the web, over 70% of traffic to vercel.com on the logged out side is agents. So agents are truly taking over both on the production side and the consumption side, which is obviously really good news for anyone that's in the infrastructure business.
Host 0:53 ↗
Hello everyone and welcome back. Today I am chatting with Guillermo Rauch, the creator of Next.js and the co-founder and CEO of Vercel. He's joining us live today from Ship, which is Vercel's annual conference currently in London. Vercel powers a huge share of the modern web and this year we're seeing how more software is starting to be built and shipped by AI agents, not just people, and Vercel's really leaning into this, being the home for that. And today I'm really excited to talk to you, Guillermo, and we'll talk about this exciting moment that we're in and how agents are evolving and what it takes to ensure that we can actually trust them at scale. And the question underneath all of this: when software starts building itself, how do we ensure that humans stay in control? Guillermo, welcome and thank you for joining us.
Guillermo Rauch 1:46 ↗
Thank you for having me. It's exciting to be here.
Host 1:48 ↗
I'm so excited to be here and you are live at Ship today, right? I know there's a little bit of a different time zone for you. It's a bit later in the evening, but earlier today you did a keynote where you just announced Eve, a framework for building enterprise-grade agents. And one thing that you also said in your keynote that really stood out to me is you said about 6 months ago 3% of Vercel deployments were done by agents and now that number has grown to over a thousand percent in growth, which is pretty insane.
Guillermo Rauch 2:22 ↗
Yeah, to give you an idea, that figure was 3% 6 months ago. It's now more than half. So more than 50% of deployments to Vercel are being made by coding agents, which is insane. It seems like the agents are far surpassing humans, and we don't see this only on the code production side. When we look at the data for who's browsing the web, since we started out with Next.js, a framework for building for the web, we have a lot of data on who's visiting the web, who's using the web. Over 70% of traffic to vercel.com on the logged out side is agents. So agents are truly taking over both on the production side and the consumption side, which is obviously really good news for anyone that's in the infrastructure business.
Host 3:10 ↗
Wow, that's incredible to see. And even for Eve, like what we're seeing right now, I would love to better understand why now? What's happening at this moment in time where it makes building infrastructure for agents so crucial?
Guillermo Rauch 3:26 ↗
Yeah, so you mentioned I created Next.js. It was about 10 years ago. It was a bright sunny morning and I realized that building for the web was still too difficult. And there were things like Wix, Squarespace, WordPress. You could publish to the web, but if you wanted to create something that's truly production grade, truly great, it was really hard still. Even with the gift of the cloud and all of the things that were happening, open source software, it was too hard. So Next.js was kind of an overnight success. I had been thinking about it for many, many years, and I had been programming front ends for at that point like over 10 years. But I saw that opportunity: can I bring simplicity? Can I emphasize developer experience, not just infrastructure prowess? And now, 10 years later, we're seeing the same exact opportunity. Eve is what we call Next.js for agents. There's a need to create agents. Obviously every enterprise you talk to, every individual, every startup, they want to create agents. And the options are quite insufficient, I would say. You can marry yourself to a model provider, but you guys were just talking about today, a new model dropped, GLM, amazing price performance, open source. And so we wanted to create a framework for building agents that was truly production grade, really easy to use, and gave freedom back to developers and enterprises. That's kind of what we stand for.
Host 5:02 ↗
No, I love that, and that's something I've always really admired about you and your career. You've always really cared about developer experience and making it really easy to go from just an idea in your head into actual production software. And as a developer myself, I use all the tools that you personally built every day, which is really exciting. And you mentioned this part about agents now being used and not having to depend on just one single model, or not having to depend on certain ways. I love that you brought that up, because we're becoming so dependent on the infrastructure that we needed to build agents. And I would love to get your perspective on where's the gap right now? What's currently not working? How far are we from something we can actually trust in production?
Guillermo Rauch 5:52 ↗
Yeah, on the coding agent side, I think we're seeing a massive proliferation of software being built and we can get into the pros and cons. I think it's mostly positive. Anytime a technology gets democratized, it's better for the world, period. I'm anti-gatekeeping. No, it's only real engineering if it comes from Silicon Valley. No, let's democratize software building for everybody in the world. That's what Vercel was created for. So I'm all for it. But I'll tell you, enterprises are petrified and they're still making a lot of mistakes. They're seeing a massive proliferation of shadow IT where you pick up cloud code and then you want to deploy, you want to build. Do they have the infrastructure that goes really well with those coding agents that can absorb all of this new-found deployment power? And so that's kind of what we announced today with our enterprise apps and agents platform, where no matter what coding agent you're using, there's a Vercel plugin and there's a secure platform not exposed to the internet that you can pair with a coding agent. And that dovetails into the other concern that people have: is all of this juice vis-a-vis token spend worth the squeeze vis-a-vis what are we getting in return? Are we getting high-quality products? Are we making customers happy? On one hand, if you're just wasting tokens and you're not shipping software, you're probably doing it wrong. That's why this conference is called Vercel Ship. We want to give you a deployment platform which gives you a baseline: I'm spending tokens and able to ship code. The other consideration is quality. Coding agents are good at adding, adding, adding, adding. Every engineer knows sometimes the best ships, the best patches, the best software releases are all about simplification. They're all about abstraction. They're about deleting code rather than adding code. So there are still shortcomings in the models. They're a really powerful hammer that sees everything as a nail and they follow what you ask and they follow what you say. And they're starting to lightly push back more. I do a lot of what you can call vibe coding or agentic engineering myself. I want to really test the models as they come out. GLM looks great in benchmarks. I also want to find my own personal conviction on how good models are. One of the things I've been noticing about recent models is that they really push back more and they're better architects. I'm super hopeful that we will continue down this path of increasing quality. Everything that you could say a model cannot do, I would add an asterisk there and say, look, I also didn't think models would be operating at a level of principal or super senior engineer today. And lo and behold, they're getting there.
Host 8:56 ↗
Yeah, no, that's super exciting. And you even mentioned that the way that you've built it is you can have and use these models without having to touch the internet, which is exciting because you're also seeing a lot of people who maybe are downloading malware or having a bad prompt and that's completely affecting what gets built. And you're really vulnerable as either a new developer or someone who's just saying accept, allow, allow, allow when you're not totally sure.
Guillermo Rauch 9:23 ↗
Really, to your point, the running joke is, and I met so many people that do this, everyone turns on YOLO mode in their coding agents. And for good reason. There's also a lot of hype about loop engineering now and models are being trained on longer horizon tasks and they can do a lot by themselves. So people are naturally trusting them more. But you need a guardrail on the other side. For example, with Vercel's secure enterprise deployment platform, the guardrail that we put in is that by default we don't ship to the internet. We protect it with a technology called Vercel Passport. And we say, if you're logged in to your identity provider of choice, like a smaller startup might be Google Workspace, an enterprise might be Okta, we say, okay, you have to be logged in to appreciate your new vibe coding gem that you just put out. And so we created this sort of guardrail around what the coding agent can ship. You also brought up supply chain attacks. Just today Microsoft broke the news of a massive compromise of the JavaScript supply chain. So we're also working on a lot of what we call AI firewalls. When the agent runs compute, we put the agent in a sandbox and we limit what it can do. We say, hey agent, you're free to operate here, but you can only talk to the hostnames and to the subset of the internet that I allow you to talk to. Because the reality is that in order to get really good performance out of agents, you need to give them some power. You need to give them a computer. The metaphor that I use is: in any sort of modern job, the very first thing that happens after you get hired is you're given a computer. And the same thing is happening to agents. When you create an agent with Eve, we give it a sandbox. We give it a computer. But we have to put guardrails around that computer. We have to limit the network. We have to give the developer controls around what data can this agent access. Can this agent access all of the database? A great use case that people are excited about: data analytics. Will my agent be able to access the entirety of my data warehouse? Well, if it goes even slightly off the rails, you could have a massive breach or data compromise or privacy violation in your hands. And so we're basically weighing this consideration: here's the framework, really powerful, really easy to use, but here's the power to put guardrails around this thing.
Host 12:04 ↗
Yeah. No, I think that's incredibly important and something that's honestly not talked about enough. When you saw the whole craze with Open Claw and people were just installing agents that had full permission to access everything. And I know I definitely experienced something where an agent will ask me, can I get permission to this root folder? And I'm like, I think so, yes. And I just say yes. Having actual infrastructure designed that's already sandboxing the agent so that it can't get access to that, so you don't have to rely on humans to fact-check and make sure and verify every single step because as humans, we're going to make mistakes, especially as we're giving more and more trust to agents. How can you design the infrastructure so that those errors don't happen in the first place?
Guillermo Rauch 12:51 ↗
Yeah. Starting with: it has to be cloud infrastructure. I think we're still in sort of early days of the internet where I was literally hosting my web pages out of my computer in Argentina. I would host my web server Apache, open it, hope that my ISP keeps my IP stable. When I see people using Open Claw and things like that, during the early days wild west, they're hosting it on their own computers. They're giving it full access or maybe they're getting a Mac mini and whatnot. Now we're entering this new phase of realizing: we have to think about security, we have to think about scalability, and very importantly, we have to think about cost efficiency. So one of the really cool attributes of Vercel Sandbox is that it's serverless. When the agent needs to think, it comes online. When the agent sets up a schedule for itself, it can come back to life. If the agent is not doing anything, it can go to sleep. And we even innovated in the pricing model. Vercel Sandbox only charges you for the actual compute. Because what happens a lot with agents is that they can think and think and think for a long time. I was reading some commentary on this new GLM model and someone was saying, wow, this model thinks for 15 minutes before it writes its first line of code. You heard that right. 15 minutes which is pure thinking happening in the GPU. In that case, the sandbox is sort of idling. Think about the economics of cloud infrastructure. This means that Vercel can create massively efficient infrastructure. It can pack a lot of sandboxes. We can have these massive agent swarms. We can enable enterprises to launch huge swaths of agents in parallel. And basically, you're enabling things that are simply not possible with your own computer. My prediction for the rest of 2026 is we're going to see this displacement of agents. We're going to see them graduate from your own computer into the cloud. They're going to parallelize. They're going to reproduce, for lack of a better word. Companies are going to get a lot more bang for their buck. And again, this means more power to the developer. The ability to scale yourself and sort of commandeer a team of agents will become even more of a reality.
Host 15:11 ↗
So if we're seeing such a growth in agents, and I think we're already seeing some stat where the number of agents online almost outnumber humans, what does that actually mean for how the web is designed? I know Vercel prides itself in the deployment of websites. Do you still see websites being a big part of the internet, actual pixels, interfaces, UI?

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Rauch, G. (2026, June 18). Will Agents Surpass Humans? with Vercel CEO Guillermo Rauch | 🟡🔴🔵 MTS Live [Interview transcript]. MTS. CEOInterviews.AI. https://ceointerviews.ai/interview/1044131/

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Guillermo Rauch. "Will Agents Surpass Humans? with Vercel CEO Guillermo Rauch | 🟡🔴🔵 MTS Live." MTS, 18 Jun. 2026. Transcript, CEOInterviews.AI, https://ceointerviews.ai/interview/1044131/.

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