About Julia Hartz
Julia Hartz, co-founder and former CEO of Eventbrite, has discussed the company's evolution from a ticketing service to a marketplace for live experiences, which she described as "the Etsy for live experiences." She noted that Eventbrite now focuses on helping event creators market their events and discover events through the platform, calling the shift in relationship with the consumer "the biggest shift." Hartz also reflected on the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic, stating that the company went from "record high ticket sales to negative revenue in 14 days" and that "something we had spent 14 years building was basically evaporated in the span of two weeks." She described the early days of the pandemic as "very dark, but very definitive," with no "gray moment."
Hartz has also spoken about leadership and company-building. She said she "stopped trying to make people happy and stopped worrying about if I was doing a good job or not." Regarding Eventbrite's IPO, she recalled that "everybody said don't do it," but added that the process "forced us to codify who we are and what we're building." She attributed 70% of the company's success to work ethic and focus, and 30% to luck. Hartz expressed a negative view of the current fundraising environment for founders, calling it "a terrible thing" and stating that she does not "envy founders today who have to go out and raise a bunch of money." She also said she believes technology will be "a tailwind for live experiences" but cannot replace "the feeling you get" from in-person gatherings.
Source: AI-verified profile updated from Julia Hartz's recent appearances.
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Transcript (68 segments)
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Max Loenthal0:00
Welcome back to another episode of Talk to My Agent Live. I'm your host, Max Loenthal, director of agent product here at Decagon. Very excited for our first live show with two fantastic guests. I'll introduce you both. First we have Julia. Julia, the co-founder of Eventbrite and CEO of course from 2016 through March of this year. I imagine most folks familiar with Eventbrite, but if not, of course. The company has sold over two billion tickets across 180 countries, IPOed on the New York Stock Exchange, survived the COVID pandemic, which we will definitely get into today. And then last December acquired by Bending Spoons. So thanks for joining us.
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Julia Hartz0:39
Thanks for having me. I'm super excited to be here.
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Max Loenthal0:42
Also sitting next to her we have Ashwin Stravas. Ashwin, someone I'm personally very familiar with, co-founder and president of Decagon. Decagon, three years into building one of AI's fastest growing companies, now valued at four and a half billion dollars, and powering the customer experience for hundreds of different organizations including Eventbrite, which we also spent some time talking about today. Ashwin, also for those of you who don't know, is a close friend of Julia's. So we definitely have an interesting conversation. It'll be fun to be a fly on the wall between the two of you. Ashwin, thanks for jumping in as well.
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Ashwin Stravas1:12
Yeah, absolutely.
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Max Loenthal1:13
Cool. So for today's conversation, I want to talk a little bit about the journey that both of you have been on. You're two founders who at different places in their company-building arcs but honestly have a lot more in common than folks may necessarily realize. And so I want to spend some time today talking about the differences across your adjacent businesses, how the world of company building looks today versus maybe how it did in 2006, and some of the earlier days, and a lot of the work that I know personally identified with the culture building of obviously building out. So I think we've got a lot to dig into, but maybe let's start with the company building journey. I think that's super interesting. I know you spent 20 years building out Eventbrite. So we're in this moment right now where companies are growing as fast as possible as I've ever seen them, and they're also burning out faster than I think they ever have. So, in your perspective, you did something very different. You guys built one company over a very long period of time today, and a lot of founders that I think we're seeing today kind of exit or pivot well before that. Maybe a good place to start, and then Ashwin will turn it over to you for some thoughts as well. What was it about Eventbrite that really made it clear to you that this was a 20-year journey? What made you want to stay? Was it conviction, momentum, something else? Tell me what drove you through the journey.
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Julia Hartz2:29
To be completely honest, I had no idea it would be a 20-year journey. I was not a serial entrepreneur. I wasn't even an intended entrepreneur. I mean, I didn't grow up as the kid with the lemonade stand. I was a ballerina. I was ambitious, but I was really good at taking direction and making adjustments and figuring out how to please people. That was my superpower. And I met Kevin in 2003 at a wedding, and that kind of set my whole life off on another trajectory. I think this theme will come up a lot because it's related to Ashwin. He has that effect on people. And I had no idea at the age of 23 that I would have this whole incredible journey because of him. And I think what I've learned is that there are certain people who have this insatiable need to expand the world through their ideas.
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Julia Hartz3:35
And that don't have a chip that says in their brain that says this may not work out. They're eternally optimistic, and that typically is somewhat of a rough sketch of a serial entrepreneur, which is Kevin. I am someone who really thrives on the operational detail and rhythm and culture and community of a company. And so that's where he found his match in me, both from a life perspective and a professional perspective. I think about a lot because 20 years is a long time. That's sort of an era. It's more than a chapter. I think about a lot how I what advice I would give people today. And it's hard because I think that the longevity and lifespan of something is really hard to imagine when you're in the day-to-day firefighting, and especially today when you're in this hypergrowth kind of chaotic environment where it's almost like an arms race. It's a GPU arms race, it's a capital arms race, it's a lot of hype. And I think at the end of the day, the people who build sustaining, enduring, people-changing companies are thinking about more than just models and memory. I think they're thinking about the moments that matter in people's lives and how they can be a part of that for the long haul. And I'm really proud of what we built with Eventbrite because while it's not the biggest business, I wasn't super stoked about the exit, it means a lot to the world and I think it's in great hands to outlive us.
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Max Loenthal5:32
Yeah. Um going back to. Why don't I have an iPad, by the way? I just want to set the record straight. I was offered an iPad. We could trade off, but I'm cool. Okay. Um, talking about the early days at Eventbrite on the 20-year journey, I'm curious about two things. One, when you decided to start Eventbrite, how much of it was Kevin convincing you to, hey, like, let's go build a company together. And starting out, you know, it wasn't like a lot of companies today where it's like, oh, you start doing something and the next day you're at 100 million in revenue. You walked into the 2008 crisis. So, walk us through a little bit of both of those kind of formative things in the early years.
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Julia Hartz6:19
Yeah, I mean and we'll get to this, but I think you are one of the few people who really understands the power or the tow of Kevin because you are an entrepreneur that he really believes in and a founder that he's just been relentlessly supporting. And for everybody's context here, there's a line of Silicon Valley founders and companies that Julia and Kevin have been instrumental in creating and building and shaping big courses of their lives. This line would stretch down the block. I don't relate to that at all. I'm just to the side watching it. But I can say that there's been a very small number of entrepreneurs who have shown up at our house consistently and they're all really successful which is amazing. I think the hit rate is like natural selection. But I knew when I met you that you would be really successful at whatever you built. But it's an interesting thing because I haven't yet put my finger on exactly what makes those connections stick. But I was one of those people that Kevin found. It's a weird thing. Obviously we met under the auspices of a personal thing and fell in love, but I have experienced the same type of unbelievable support that helped me understand what my true capacity and potential could be. So I was in television to answer your question, developing shows like Jackass. You're welcome. And literally I was the intern at MTV when the Jackass guys sent in their demo. So I just had this incredibly fortunate experience to be on that wave and it was insane. Then I was at FX working on Nip/Tuck, The Shield, Rescue Me, this really great content and met Kevin and we fell in love and we were LA San Francisco long distance. I would come up and go to early PayPal parties at Peter Thiel's apartment and he would come down and go to the MTV movie awards. When it came time to figure out where we wanted to be based, I found a job working on a startup cable network in San Francisco called Current TV. It was Al Gore and Joel Hyatt starting this user-generated news network. I got an offer for $50,000, which was a big drop from my $80,000 salary. Kevin was like, 'Two quick things. One is this is never going to take off because let me show you this thing that my friend Joe's been building and it was YouTube, and two, you're worth way more than that. We could just start something and you could make literally no money and we could put all of our savings towards bootstrapping it and it could be terrible but it would be really fun.' I just totally blacked out at the point at which I said yes. So 20 something years later, I'm like, did I say yes? Next thing I know, I'm moving out of a beautiful window office in Century City into a windowless phone closet in Palo Alto with this guy who I'm like, 'Oh no, what if he's crazy?' And it turns out quite crazy, a great kind of crazy. In the first week of working on Eventbrite, I realized I solved the mystery of why I hated school: I hated being told what to do, but I loved learning by doing. I just fell in love with it in the first week, but I had no idea what we were doing at all.
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Julia Hartz11:32
We bootstrapped with our own money, less than a quarter of a million dollars over two years, and then went out to raise in fall 2008. We had 27 meetings and got 27 no's. Kevin kept leaving our 2009 plan with everyone. I said, 'Dude, we're facing the end of the world.' He said, 'Well, if we do, it'll be really impressive.' So we retrenched, raised money from family and friends. Our thesis was that Eventbrite would allow people to turn their passions into profit. That's exactly what happened in 2009. We had our best year. In Q4 2009, we went back to the same VCs and got multiple term sheets because no one else had met their plan. We went with Sequoia Capital again, and that stamp of approval made us a company others wanted to invest in. At that point, it became about not raising too much money.
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Max Loenthal15:12
Now, not to jump from crisis to crisis, but about 15 years later, 12 years later, you're now a large public company at the time and COVID hits. Your business is centered around in-person human experiences and that basically goes to zero on one day. What was that first week after that like?
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Julia Hartz15:47
Well, I would only correct Ashwin one thing. You said large public company. We were a tiny public company, but we were the second largest trafficked event site in the world and by an order of magnitude the largest self-service ticketing platform. In the public markets, we're very small. We had three things: we were good friends with the head of infectious disease at UCSF, Joe DeRisi, who gave us direct information. We had amazing wisdom around us to act fast and treat it as a real crisis. And we had each other. I remember coming home in the first week, and this was the black swan event for both Airbnb and Eventbrite. Our biggest personal holdings were in those companies. I was on the board of Four Seasons and UCSF, so we were surrounded by disaster. We treated it very seriously, which created an unintended rift with our customers because we had to call event producers and venue owners to stop paying suppliers and advance payments. It was very uncomfortable. The most romantic thing Kevin ever did was when I shut the office down. I was the last person out, and I came home to our entire home office turned into a war room with gaming monitors and two chairs. Kevin had dropped everything to be there for me. For the first 30 days, we were side by side saving the company. In 14 days, we produced more refunds than revenue, so we were in negative revenue territory. All our dashboards broke. We threw away our roadmap and built things to help creators stay in business. Many live venues are still struggling to come back.
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Max Loenthal17:54
Yeah. Let's talk about that. Eventbrite excluding the COVID years was very focused on human experiences. You're also on the board of Four Seasons. What is your view as AI experiences come forward? What will forever remain special to human experiences? I'll use tonight as an example. We'll never be in the same place at the same time again. There's nothing else in life that is that ephemeral. So when you think about the premium qualities of being human, live experiences and gatherings are at the very top because you can't replicate them. Every experience is unique.
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Julia Hartz21:28
Real life experiences, particularly curated moments together, are the only way to create indelible memories. Think about the last thing you read or watched that changed your life, and then think about your first concert. The difference is immense. I can tell you exactly what Janet Jackson sounded like, what the arena smelled like, how it felt in Vancouver in 1999. There's an undeniable quality about experiences that are not going to go away.
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Max Loenthal23:54
Do you think even as AI advances there's a category of experiences that should always remain in person?
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Julia Hartz23:56
Technology enables experiences to be better. We lived through the rise of social. Eventbrite was built on the idea that events should be discoverable in organic search. Then Facebook became a top traffic driver, so we got the first events API key and built a seamless integration. Every time a new technology comes along—social, mobile, RFID, big data, VR, AI—people said it would kill live events. But technology has been a tailwind, not a replacement. I'm staunchly in the camp that you can't replace the indelible memory making with virtual reality. But AI will make event creation richer, better, and more accessible.
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Max Loenthal26:21
Eventbrite was a Decagon customer, right?
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Ashwin Stravas26:27
Still is.
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Julia Hartz26:28
It still is. Eventbrite just renewed for another couple of years. I am no longer running it, so I'm the only part of this that doesn't. When you originally made the decision to put AI in front of your customers for customer support, what was surprising? Why did you decide to do it at that time?
Eventbrite serves a long tail of hundreds of thousands of creators. A lot of confusion happens when there's a problem. I wanted to inject intelligence into the layer where there's high anxiety. Event planning is one of the top five highest anxiety professions. I wanted to show up just in the nick of time and anticipate needs. I also wanted to help ticket buyers. For years, we sat in an awkward place not knowing basic event details. It wasn't about deflection; it was about anticipating social anxiety, especially post-COVID. COVID really messed up people's sense of going out. I had ulterior motives to introduce AI into the customer journey. There was a hard wall to climb internally, but then there was the added bonus of watching you build, Ashwin, knowing you're one of the most relentless people I've met.
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Max Loenthal30:21
Let me interject. Ashwin, you're building a company answering this question at scale. From your perspective, how do you advise businesses on when to bring AI into the journey?
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Ashwin Stravas30:41
It's about creating net better experiences that they couldn't do before, either because economics don't allow a host of people, or because AI can ingest vast amounts of data and be proactive. Anticipate issues five steps ahead and intervene so the customer doesn't have a bad experience. Also, it's good at remembering everything about them, so it can personalize. For example, an event attendee with kids can be told an event is friendly for kids under five without having to show up and find out it's not. That ability to be proactive and personalize is what we want all our customers to get out of working with us.
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Julia Hartz31:55
Event tickets are one of the highest risk purchases because they're often non-cancellable and non-refundable, worth something one day and nothing the next. There's a pressure cooker high stakes decision making that leads to master procrastination.
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Max Loenthal32:24
I want to zoom out and go back to company building. You talked about bootstrapping early. If you look at most companies today, it's the opposite. What are your thoughts on this change? Do you think it's for the better?
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Julia Hartz32:58
I think it's a terrible thing. I really do. I don't envy founders today who have to go out and raise a bunch of money because they need to buy compute or they need to, but I think it's a terrible thing.
I know, they're in a capital arms race because for several different reasons, and I hate this because I know I sound like a cro-magnon. But there are so many human experiences you can liken to just a few principles. One is you don't know what you've got till it's gone. During COVID, for people who lived in areas where the world came to a slight end and then rebuilt itself, that very much impacted our business for the better. People really valued being together. But when the assumption is that money is falling from the trees, there's no way to imagine a world where something like COVID happens and takes out the whole basis of your business.
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Max Loenthal34:07
Like you just don't get that experience.
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Max Loenthal34:11
Not to keep coming back to you, but you have actually started and scaled companies that didn't make it. So you know exactly what it feels like.
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Julia Hartz34:19
And those are the types of founders that you want to get behind because you definitely want to know that somebody's seen some shit. Yeah. And I just feel like not even the capital, but also the time of life that people are starting companies. I get to be a fly on the wall in our kitchen listening to Kevin, thankfully he has to work from home because they're between offices, so I get to hear it all.
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Max Loenthal34:44
And I mean, going to college is sort of this funny thing that you do just to drop out, it feels like. So you're not only not seeing that through, but you're dropping out and getting all this money. We can't be confused when things don't go so well, just by virtue of handing a lot of cash to a not fully formed frontal lobe. But then it also injects different opinions and maybe contradictory ownership principles into the mix, because nobody's just giving money away for free.
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Julia Hartz35:30
And so they expect certain returns, certain access, certain respect, and I think that really complicates matters. And the third thing is that I don't know that the best ideas are getting the most money. I hate to say this, but I really want to go through a proper recession for a minute because that really tells you who's got the pants on to get the job done. That inevitably is going to happen. But this hype cycle where you anticipate that more than thinking about the fundamental principles of building good businesses. It's strange. It's weird to be old enough to know what it was like when capital wasn't available.
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Max Loenthal36:26
What's your take there, Ashwin? I'm curious as well. Obviously you've gone through this as part of the hype cycle. When you're thinking about fundraising, what's your perspective?
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Ashwin Stravas36:37
Yeah. For the first several years of the company, we were always cash up. After we raised the seed, we had to raise the A, but we had more cash in the bank than we'd raised in the seed. When we raised the B, we had more cash than the seed and A combined, and same for the C. My general approach to capital is when you really need it during downturns, you want cash in the bank to rely on. You want a war chest for when you want to aggressively invest in opportunity. Just because you raise a lot of money doesn't mean you have to spend it. It gives you flexibility, but you have to be extremely disciplined not to spend it. Having gone through periods when things didn't work out, it makes me much less likely to spend it. Yeah.
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Julia Hartz37:40
Yeah. Well, I also think it's like a—I used to chart our revenue per employee against our capital raises. Once Sequoia invested nine million, money started falling from the trees. Henry Ellenbogen wanted to invest, Leaf Fixel wanted to invest. Not only were we getting amazing people, but big sums of money. Revenue per employee would dip every time we raised money. It's a fact that the more money you raise, spending becomes a rounding error.
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Max Loenthal38:18
Yeah, and I don't necessarily think you have to be penny-wise and pound-foolish, but I think every great operator and founder who has seen the other side of what it feels like for things not to work out has a break-in-case-of-emergency red button. It's not just a vague 'we would stop spending on marketing' but a detailed plan ready to be put into action at any moment.
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Julia Hartz38:34
Literally. And I think great boards are starting to understand the fake plans from the real plans. There's no reason to talk about impending doom unless you're using it to get ready and make yourself stronger. Those are important thought exercises, but they should be ready to be put into practice at any given time.
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Max Loenthal39:26
Well, something interesting is that I think you're both hitting on the same point from different angles: a scarcity mindset. How can we make sure we're ready? You're both talking about learning from experience. People who have gone through ups and downs have that mindset. Do you both feel it's possible to have that mindset today? Do you have to go through those downs, or can a founder in 2026 deliberately plan? If I'm a new founder listening, I don't want a recession to have to learn that lesson. How are you advising others to be more deliberate?
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Julia Hartz40:02
I think it's about listening and seeking to understand. I'll give you a real-life example. When COVID hit that first week, Kevin and I—this might not go well, but I'll tell you honestly. I felt like a Make-A-Wish kid because I could call anyone and everyone picked up the phone. They were like, 'Oh, life experiences.' Tumultuous time. I called everyone, and Kevin was on the phone with Warren Buffett at one point. We were soaking in all this wisdom. I'll never forget a conversation with Bob Milad, who was CFO of a travel platform during 9/11. He said, 'Buckle up, kid, you're about to be processing more refunds than revenue.' On day five, that happened. I'll never forget because he told me exactly what would happen. Was I better off because he said that? Marginally. But I was much better off by listening to his wisdom and going back to that well, asking more questions.
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Max Loenthal41:48
Absolutely. Because even though it was 2001 and we were in 2020, the shape of the problem was the same. Same principles applied. I kept calling him back: 'Okay, now I've got this. What would you do?' So you don't have to be old and you don't have to have seen terrible things.
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Julia Hartz42:13
And now I'm going to get kicked off the pod for being too overly, but I think Ashwin and Jesse represent founders who are that perfect sweet spot. They're not old and cro-magnon, but they've also seen some stuff early. That's the benefit of young people building and trying things. Not all will work, but failures make you a better operator and thinker. You can absorb wisdom if you know who to call and how to ask questions and listen.
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Max Loenthal42:54
Right. It's more about the learning than the failure.
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Julia Hartz42:56
And it's being humble enough to say, 'I don't know what I don't know. Can you tell me more?' Which I've learned from Kevin.
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Ashwin Stravas43:02
I think the part that sometimes a lot of people at Decon might not like is that this morning I got up during all hands and gave a whole speech on fiscal responsibility. I said, 'This is why we're going to cut a lot of stuff.'
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Julia Hartz43:14
Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean, that's exactly it. I just sat through a talk like that from a friend and thought, it doesn't matter the business or the time or place—that message is always woven into the best companies. No matter how incredible the growth, product, or team, you're not going to win unless you're also doing something really hard: constantly thinking about how to be excellent without overspending.
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Ashwin Stravas43:54
Yeah. I will be taking this specific clip and playing it at the next all hands. So when people are upset about profitable growth, I'll say, 'Look, it's not me. There are all kinds of people.'
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Julia Hartz44:04
We talk about when we sold the company—the day we announced it, I sat in a room with my general counsel and we started going back and forth with memories of good times and bad times, mostly bad. It was unique to be able to say, 'Remember that? I'll one-up you.' By the end, we were dying laughing and crying. But the one brought up was Snackgate. Right before COVID, I had built my own personal Taj Mahal of culture in a physical space—our eighth office. It had the best snacks, we were humming along. Then I saw the snack budget and couldn't sleep. It became clear we were supplying people's food for many parts of their lives. I had our GC announce a snack change that almost ended the company. The reaction was visceral and emotional. But we got through it, and a month later COVID hit, there were no snacks, the calculus changed, and we never went back to an office. Different set of problems.
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Max Loenthal46:20
Culture is a good point. You personally spent a ton of time on culture at Eventbrite, very intentional. What does culture mean to you, and how does someone be intentional about it?
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Julia Hartz46:37
The most important story I can tell about culture is when I decided to focus on it. I had just turned 30, we had our first daughter, Eventbrite had raised money from Sequoia, and I had this nebulous title of president. I didn't know what that meant. Kevin was CEO. I had an existential crisis, thinking Sequoia would say, 'It's been great, but do you want to exit stage right?' At the same time, many companies from our vintage that survived hypergrowth were really messed up—cultures sideways, wheels falling off, CEO changes. I thought, 'It's inevitable for us.' We were going to triple headcount with the money we'd raised. I felt for Eventbrite the same way I felt for our human baby—unconditional love and enduring loyalty. I thought, if I put that together with the impending doom, I would lift the train off the tracks for this company. I went to my co-founders and said, 'I want to come to the table of every major decision and put the company first, focus on hiring, spend all my time on how we recruit.' They said, 'Great, go for it.' In the first five minutes, I realized culture wasn't going to come from me; it's the amalgamation of the people at the company. Throughout the years, I helped create a killer culture—not the coolest or most fun, but the most sustainable. People would ask how I preserved culture during growth or remote work, and I'd say culture isn't a bug preserved in amber; it's a living, breathing amoeba that should grow and change. If things suck, it shouldn't feel cheerful. We did Culture Amp surveys, and when numbers were low, I was just happy people said how they felt. I never cared about the score, only that people participated. We had high participation because everyone felt ownership of our culture. That's what makes it great.
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Ashwin Stravas51:16
When did your culture face the biggest stress test? Working remotely killed our company faster than COVID did.
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Julia Hartz51:27
And the company's not dead, so that's good.
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Ashwin Stravas51:30
But it really tested our ability to grow, innovate, and change. I was sure I didn't want to make proclamations about how we'd work too early. I watched founders say they had the answer, then the minute they said it, they weren't doing it. It was too chaotic. But being a small-ish company spread out around the world without pockets of talent working together was a grave miscalculation. Once I figured out it was wrong, it was very difficult to undo.
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Max Loenthal52:35
Knowing you had to go remote, with hindsight, could you have done something, or was it inevitable?
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Ashwin Stravas52:43
I think we could have done something. We got caught in the whitewash of 2021. We weren't a COVID darling; we were on the other side. We were trying to get people to join a company focused on in-person experiences, but we supported virtual events—80% of our business for six months, then everything came back in person. I got convinced we could get great talent if we relaxed location rules. I don't disagree with that, but we became so diffused and fragmented that it was hard to come together without huge expense. We weren't in a position to underwrite that. It was one of my biggest operational fails—not getting ahead of that and not realizing how wrong it was.
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Max Loenthal54:08
Let's go back to the point you were at before. Many businesses are naturally in person now. What were the concrete, tactical ways you were intentional about building culture? How did you diffuse it to your leadership team? Were you leading by example? Writing it down? If I'm trying to emulate you, what were the tactics?
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Julia Hartz54:33
I was about to go down a dark hole of all the things I did wrong. But the one thing I did right was always stick to my guns. I believed you shouldn't spend a ton of time writing down your values because the minute you do, it becomes a meme. It's a time suck. Our original values were pillared off our brand values—the way our customers described us. Through the years, people wanted to do values exercises, and I said no because all you have to do is work here for a week to understand the values. Why was that important? Because walking the walk is the most important thing, especially when people aren't watching. Kevin does that so authentically—he has the truest north of anyone I've ever seen. He taught me that. At Eventbrite, we always did the right thing when given two options. The most valuable question I asked in meetings was, 'What's the right thing?' We'd do that. That built a sustainable culture. The worst thing I did was allow the stencils or the culture book to be made, wasting time on values that became memes not embedded in anything serious. And letting Eventbrite become a diffuse, lightly connected organization was terrible for morale and productivity.
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Max Loenthal57:51
Yeah, because I don't want to end on that. Over the 20-year journey, what was your favorite memory?
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Julia Hartz58:04
First, I'll wrap the culture thing up. For our 20th anniversary party, Kevin and I celebrated our 20th Eventbrite anniversary and 20th wedding anniversary in the same year. We had the party in January, and it felt like a talent show—we brought back the most talented and most untalented people. It was a massive rager at a venue in San Francisco kitty-corner to where we started. It was like attending the celebration of my life before I die. One of the best feelings ever, because we built a community of people who really cared for each other. That's what I'm most proud of. Now, my story to end on: we just saw Ron Conway yesterday. He befriended will.i.am from the Black Eyed Peas. In 2011, Ron called and said, 'Will wants to do a benefit for the Robin Hood Foundation in Central Park, a free concert for 60,000 people. He wants to use something new. You've got to do it.' I was like, 'It's going to be a lottery. Millions will hit the site. They haven't done a free concert in the park since Diana Ross, and there was a riot.' Kevin said we were doing it. I was six months pregnant with Maeve, unhappy. We set up in Central Park, jerry-rigging an ingress system to scan people. We had no product for that kind of event. Our engineer Bob, also a pilot, looked at his iPad and said a storm was heading our way. I asked what happens if we have to cancel, and the park people said only the mayor can do that. This cloud like the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man marched down Central Park West. We got 7,000 people in, then a gale storm hit. The concert was canceled. We got everyone out and met at a diner. People were crying. Kevin walked in with a huge smile and said, 'It only took us eight minutes to get 7,000 people in. Imagine what we'll do next time.' That moment reinforced the power of eternal optimism when building something new. We did it again later, and it was a success. That spirit brings companies from idea to legend.
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Max Loenthal1:03:51
Well said. Yeah. Knowing everything you know now, looking back over 20 years—the good, bad, and terrible parts—would you do it again?
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Julia Hartz1:04:05
Oh, in a heartbeat. I would do it again with Kevin. The way that translates is not because he's my life partner, but because once you have someone who's seen a lot and wants to keep going, you are truly limitless. The important thing is to find great partners or teams that just keep going no matter what. That's a special experience we should all be so lucky to have.
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Max Loenthal1:04:09
Yeah.
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Julia Hartz1:04:09
Yeah. And I think the way that translates, it's not because he's my life partner. I would do it again because once you have someone who's seen a lot and wants to just keep going, nothing—you are truly limitless. So I think the important thing is to find great partners or great teams that just keep going no matter what. That's such a special experience, and we should all be so lucky to have it.
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Max Loenthal1:04:38
Yeah. Julia Hartz, thanks for joining us.
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Ashwin Stravas1:04:41
Thank you, Julia.
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Julia Hartz1:04:42
Thank you. Thanks. Bye.