CAF President Dr Patrice Motsepe media briefing - 22 July 2026

Thank you. Let me start by expressing my personal deep gratitude to all of you, to the media, local media, global media. We'll talk a little bit towards the end about some of the COSAFA and Southern African issues, but we focus mainly on the performances of the African national teams at the FIFA World Cup, and I think that'll take about 90% of the press conference, and the remaining 10% will be to deal with various other important initiatives. We've prepared a media statement or a press statement that will be released to you as soon as I have highlighted some of the issues, and then as usual we'll take questions. Let me once more just express my deep gratitude to the president of COSAFA for being here. The president of Sappa is with us, and of course all our partners, Canal+, IMG, and various others, and CAF as well. Oh, okay. I thought you meant COSAFA. And as I say, thank you very much to the media. We've got some of our beautiful fans and look at the most wonderful football supporter on the continent who makes us very proud. And I see Blanky there at the back. He's becoming younger and younger. So good. And I just once want to express our deep gratitude to the media for the good work they are doing and also asking questions and sometimes they have to ask difficult questions which are very important. We have a duty to respond to those questions as best we can. I'm very proud of the media in South Africa, on the continent, and the media has a very unique role to play of course in football but also a broader role to play in our communities. Now I'll spend a few minutes talking about some of the important observations, and as I said, usually we create opportunities for questions. If you look at the press statement as I said that we will circulate, there are three or four issues that are very important.

The first is to look at the performance of the 10 national teams in the FIFA World Cup. We're very proud. I'm very proud. African football is very proud. They did very well. We set very high standards for ourselves. We've got very high expectations. Our clear objective, and we are now more confident than ever before coming from the FIFA World Cup, is to see an African nation becoming champions of the world. I'm more convinced than ever before that that can indeed happen. Life doesn't allow for dreams or plans or expectations which are out of touch with reality. You've got to look at the facts at all times. And at the end of the day, I come from a business background and my shareholders always say to me, 'Where are the dividends? Where are the profits? Where's the money?' And you can give all sorts of wonderful explanations. At the end of the day, if there's no dividends and you can't give the people who've given you their money to make returns and to make money for them, you've got a big challenge. So we've got a clear expectation that until we have that trophy on the African continent — and you can see we came very close. If you look at some of our top national teams, I had the privilege of talking with some of the most experienced, most respected coaches in the world. And sometimes it's important for me to listen more than express my opinions. And one of the common features is that many of our national teams in Africa, their performances reflect that they are as good as the best in the world. Look at what happened between Egypt and Argentina. Look at what happened between Cabo Verde. And they said to me the population of Cabo Verde, I had my own number. Some people said it's 10 million. Now I don't know how they get to 10 million. It's more like 600,000. It shows that with absolute commitment, investment, training in the youth, and of course unity is also important for us. It's important that we increase the cooperation with our governments on the African continent in each of the 54 countries in Africa. We also increase our partnership with the private sector because an important ingredient for success is financial sustainability. It's financial independence. The most successful football nations, not just in Africa but in the world, have a consistent, reliable, predictable support from the government but also from the private sector. And I'm confident that we are making significant progress. It would have been so much more beautiful, so much more beautiful. We did very well, but as I said, it's like many years ago when my son came to me and said, 'Daddy, I got 60% in an exam and I did very well.' I said, 'Did you say 60? Where's the other 40%? What happened to it?' And he said, 'Yeah, but you know my friends got 55.' I said, 'You don't compare yourself with your friends who get 55. You compare yourself with those who got 85, 90.'

So part of my job, part of the jobs of every president in every one of the 54 countries in Africa, the football federation or the football president, is to continuously give hope, give confidence, give inspiration, give encouragement. And you know, people sometimes are not certain, but when they see the success and when they see the consistent success, they then become significantly more confident. Bafana Bafana played very well. Senegal played very well. I can say Ghana played very well. Algeria, the two nations that did exceptionally well from an African perspective — and it's purely based on the results — is Egypt and Morocco. The results speak for themselves. But I'm in South Africa and I'm going to give the message that I give in South Africa, which is the same message I would give in every one of the 54 countries on the continent. I'm very proud of Nigeria. Nigeria's Cameroon. I can say the same about every one of the 54 nations. Nigeria didn't make it now. And I keep telling my Nigerian friends, you know, a World Cup for me without Nigeria, without Cameroon and many others, is incomplete because Nigeria has always made us proud. Cameroon, many, many others. And part of what we are going to do now is to work harder than we've ever done before. Because in life, if you work hard and you are determined, you succeed. You may not succeed immediately. You may not succeed overnight. In fact, you seldom succeed overnight. You seldom succeed immediately. So I'm enormously confident. And as I have to emphasize, I cannot have confidence that's based in the air without some quantifiable, accessible, objective criteria and facts that justify that optimism. One of the objectives: South Africa has to be at the next FIFA World Cup, we're going to go to the semi-finals at least or the finals. You can do that. You can do that. And the same applies to every one of the 10 nations. Morocco went to the quarterfinals. We're very proud of Morocco because the success, and we're very proud of Egypt, and we're very proud of every single one of the 10 nations that went to the World Cup. Enormously proud. The success of any single national team at the World Cup, because the FIFA World Cup is the highest in the world, is something that all of us should be proud of because if any single country goes to the semi-finals or finals or quarterfinals, they uplift the global respect and recognition of African football. So we are going to host a meeting. I'm told that Cabo Verde and some other countries want to host that meeting where we are going to invite all of the coaches of the national teams that participated in the FIFA World Cup and others, and we're going to invite football experts, former legends on the continent, the smartest, the brightest who've played at the highest levels in the world. And the purpose of that meeting is to talk about what can we do better, what do we learn from our performances in America, in Canada, and in Mexico? Where is the room for improvement? Because we're very clear — and this is a different clarity in our mind because it's a clarity that's backed up by results. Ghana played well, Côte d'Ivoire played well, Algeria. I mean, as I said, every single one of them, but we've got a clear plan. We've got the AFCON in Paloa next year. Next year will be in Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda. I'll talk about it. Enormous progress. And that is the flagship competition on the African continent. But we know that we've got players that are as good as the best in the world. You know, when we grew up, I sometimes ask myself, why do I love football so much? And I think part of the explanation is when I was 5 years old, they sent me to a Catholic mission boarding school very far away from home, and we used to spend 9 to 10 months in a year. Now when you send a 5-year-old and spends 9 to 10 months in the Eastern Cape in a place called El North, the only thing we had was football. So at age six and age five we missed our parents but we had football, and that inspired us. It sort of took our minds away from missing everybody at home. And I am no different from millions and millions of young South Africans. I must say I sometimes get a bit jealous when I look at the rugby. The rugby is doing well, but they've got money, and we all — you can't meaningfully succeed without giving confidence to the private sector. And I must say I'm very proud of the work that Gayton is doing, our minister of sports, very proud, enthusiasm, passion, also put some money. But we must get also more of the private sector, the banks, the mines, and not just in South Africa, on the rest of the continent. So the message is from me and from CAF and from African football: enormously positive.

Let me tell you something else. If you look at the percentage of African clubs at the FIFA World Cup who qualified from the group stages to the round of 32, it's the highest in the history of African football at the World Cup. The stats speak for themselves. We had 10 national teams. 90% of them qualified from the group stages to the round of 32. The highest ever. The second highest we ever had in the history of African football was in 2022 when we had 40% qualifying from the group stages to the knockout stages, which is the same as the round of 32 today. In 2018, no African national team qualified from the group stages to the knockout stages. In 2014, we had 40%. So the facts speak for themselves. And let me tell you something else. The only other confederation that did better than us is Europe. Europe had 40% in the next stage because we had — it's all in this document that we'll circulate. But there's a reason why we have to be optimistic and there's a reason why we now more than ever before must be totally determined that we're going to do better starting today. I'm a bit disappointed at times when I am told that the schools football in South Africa is not doing as well as it should. I think that's incorrect. It's incorrect. It's factually incorrect. The facts are we had about 8,000 schools. The Motsepe Foundation is sponsoring the K-Motsepe Schools Football in South Africa. We had about 8,000 and I grew up watching — the first time I got exposed to Kaizer Motaung at the back of my mind was when he came to my father's school. I was a very young boy, many, many too young, and he was paying for high. So when the Motsepe Foundation donated $10 million to the African schools championship, and we've had more than a million young boys and girls, more than 30,000 schools in Africa participating in the African Schools National Championship. It's because I don't want to say the next Messi or the next Ronaldo because I like them and I'm proud of them, but the next — the next Pele, the next Jay-Jay Okocha, the next Hakimi, the next Salah is in a village on the continent. Let's tell him there's a good future in football. You know, encourage his parents. I was shown Lamine Yamal when Messi was showering him, giving him a shower. Now, Africans have got all sorts of explanations that are not — it confuses people. I just listen. But funny. So when Lamine Yamal's father is from Morocco and his mother is from Guinea Conakry, from Africa. Mbappé, father from Cameroon, mother from Algeria. We have the talent. I don't like chasing a ship or a train that I cannot catch. I like chasing a ship or a train that I know I'll get inside. So the talent is there, enormous. Eto'o — the list goes on. I should have mentioned names of young football players in South Africa because I love, we love all of them. So we have to leave this meeting with a sense of enormous optimism but also with a sense of enormous determination, more than ever before, in every one of the 54 countries on the continent, in every one of the 54 member associations, to say the conclusion we have drawn from the FIFA World Cup 2026 is we've done very well, but the performances of the African national teams there have shown us. I mean, Egypt was leading 2-0 against Argentina and I was, I kept hugging the president of Egypt. He was sitting there, he says, 'Patrice, please, let's, you know, you and I know that there's still 15 minutes left.' But I must say something else that I don't want to mention names of the top coaches in the world who said you've got to be careful because you cannot win yourself into success by defending all the time. The best defense is to attack. If you just wait for them to keep coming at you, they'll keep coming at you. You saw how the goal that — when Argentina played against England. I had the president of the United Kingdom of the English national team sitting next to me and somebody, I don't want to mention his name, one of the most respected coaches in the world said, 'Don't defend, don't defend — or not don't defend, defend but attack.' Because if you so — I imagine these are some of the things that we are going to hear at this big conference that we are going to host very soon, and it's going to be an open conference, and the agenda is very simple. What do we learn from the performances of the national teams at the FIFA World Cup? What can we do better? What were some of the areas for improvement? What were the areas where we should take pride and take confidence from? So we live in an era, not just in football but in society, where it's important to keep looking at the positive, the optimistic, that which encourages. There's always things that will discourage you. There will always be weaknesses and failures. That's life. But we should spend more than 80% and 90% on the positive, on the good. Take inspiration from that. We are a great continent.

Every single one of the 54 nations in Africa has got exceptional football talent. We can do much, much better and we will do much, much better. And the objective that we've set of an African national team being champions of the world — I have no doubt that we will see it. I mean, I would not have gotten into football, would not have agreed to be president of CAF as much as I deeply love football, if it wasn't also about the recognition of the enormous power of football to unite our people, to bring our people together. When I went to Nigeria, I was told when the national team plays, there's nobody from the north, there's nobody from the south. We're all Nigerians. Beautiful. There's no Christian, there's no Muslim. We are all Nigerian. Absolutely beautiful. I went to Côte d'Ivoire and they were talking about the problems they had during the years of civil war and also not just in Côte d'Ivoire but other parts of the continent where there are issues of ethnicity, where ethnic divisions is used as a means to divide, but when somebody from another tribe comes from our country and plays football, we embrace him. This is beautiful. So in Côte d'Ivoire, all people from different ethnic backgrounds, even in the middle of the civil war, come together and support the national team. Now talking about South Africa, and it's always important that there's a clear understanding that my commitment and my obligation is equal to every one of the 54 nations, and what I say about South Africa applies to what I said in Namibia and other parts of the country where we must all work together to increase the cooperation and the unity amongst all football stakeholders. It's very, very important. We need each other. None of us can succeed, whether it's in football or outside football, on their own. And this is part of my job on the continent. We've done exceptional. I mean, there were some presidents, some heads of states on the African continent I've known for many, many years, and I'll go and sit with him and he will say to me, 'How's it, my brother Patrice? The football president belongs to the opposition and they always vote against me. I don't want to see him.' I said, 'No, no, just bring him closer. Let's use football to unite our people. Maybe he might just — I can't say he might support you. If he does, that's fine. But the more you reach out to people, and more often you've got to reach out to people who disagree with you and sometimes are even totally opposed to you, more often than not we come together and succeed.' So I'm very confident that we will make enormous progress in South Africa because I sometimes see what's in the media and I'm confident, enormously confident, and it's the same message I've given to many other parts of the continent. So I don't like reading press statements. I'm very hopeless in reading press statements. What I'm going to do is I'm going to ask them — you've got copies of it there. Okay. Whilst I talk, they will circulate the press statement. You see, he pays my salary, and this, you know, I get almost a million dollars every year from FIFA and CAF, and we donate that money back to football because for us as a family, football is part of our philanthropic obligations. We've always identified football as a means to give back to the people of this country on the continent who've made us what we are. Now, just before I listen to what he says, I just want to make sure. Do you remember the goalkeeper of Cabo Verde? So he came to me, there was some event that we were hosting and we had all of these heads of state, and very proud, made me very proud, made the continent very proud. I mean, just think about it. 500,000 people can produce football players that draws basically draws with the champions of the world. The population of South Africa is what? No, 65, 70. I mean, how many superstars are there? Not here, Nigeria, everywhere. Many, many outstanding young players. I will be leaving South Africa on Saturday to go to Morocco for the women's — what they call the WAFU B, and we have increased the prize money of the women's AFCON. Now they gave me some — I almost said some crazy numbers but some very high numbers. They said to me that since the new leadership, since I became president and the people who have been working, the people that I've had the honor to work with — remember, no leader succeeds on his own in anything, and the credit should not go to the leader, the credit should go to the people that he or she has the privilege to work with. So people say all these wonderful things about the things I've done in CAF. I would, you know, I think give credit to the presidents of the 54 African member associations. Give credit to my vice presidents. Give credit to the executive committee because we did it together. My pilots were complaining in America. They said to me, 'But you realize that every day we have to get on the plane and fly to Mexico and fly to Canada and fly to LA and fly to New York. If you are crazy and you work hard, we need to sleep.' I said, 'But you don't play games with pilots because it's not like a taxi when I drive and if I sleep, somebody can wake me up. If the pilots don't wake up, I might wake up in Ukraine or something.' So I was honored. I attended part of my commitment was to attend at least one match of every one of the 10. I love it. So I attended at least one match of every one of the 10, and attended more matches from some of the other countries, African countries, and then of course I went to the other matches as well. But as I said, we always look at football. I mean, just think of — I stood there in America and watched in the stadiums when the DRC was playing and you see the excitement of the people from the Democratic Republic of Congo. Beautiful, a beautiful country, but like many other of our countries, lots of challenges, but they come together. I went to Ghana and you see people, of course, you see people from the continent which is beautiful and encouraging, but you also see people from America, from Brazil — they call it Brazil, they mustn't say Brazil, it's Brazil — and you see people from Europe, from South America, from Asia. The enormous power of football to bring our people together. I mean, I'm part of that generation that we've got broader duties and broader obligations. When you wake up, I mean, when you grow up, your parents say, 'Go and get a degree. Get the degree, of course.' And then your mother says, 'You'd better make sure you've got money because no girl will look at you if you are, if you can't look after her children.' She says, 'Yana, I like him, but this one, he can't even support himself.' So then you try and say, 'Okay, let me try and make sure that financially I'm independent.' But for me it was different because I came from a family where my father was — we were a successful family, we had businesses, and so money for me was never — I never did things for money from a young stage because I grew up in an environment where we saw my parents did well. So in business, of course, my shareholders mustn't hear me say that because they are clear: 'Please make money for us. If you don't make money for us, don't waste our time.' So we have to compete and consistently make money for our shareholders. But the point I'm making is that we've always looked at football similarly. Money is important, but money doesn't — I shouldn't, I almost said money doesn't give you happiness. I was talking at the school, at the university with some young students and I said, 'Hey man, the importance of money is exaggerated. Money doesn't give you happiness.' One young girl said, 'Please give me money. I'll show you what happiness looks like. Just give me money and I'll show you what happiness looks like.' But I'm saying this in the context that all of us, we talk about football, we absolutely love football, and have to see football as well in this context. Look at Shabba Chabalala: football gave him a future, gave him a career. And that's what we love. Every young boy and girl on the continent, we want to say to them, there's a bright future in football. When we grew up and you hear that your aunt's daughter, her boyfriend is a football player, but you — because this is many years ago, because they thought there was no money in football. Now it's opposite. You marry because you love somebody and you can have a good future in football. Now we have increased the prize money of the AFCON by 900%. It's unbelievable. 900% for the women. And that's why I say, you know, you can make all sorts of promises and say all of these nice things, if you don't back them up with quantifiable, visible, and as they would say, a touchable — they want to sort of feel it and want to touch it. So we've increased the prize money by 900%. Last year when I became president, the winner of the women's competition got $200,000, and then we got it to $1 million. Now they get $2 million. So you win, we've increased the prize money for the winner by 100%. We've increased the overall money that we've — so the winner gets $2 million, which has been increased enormously, and you'll get it, don't worry, you'll get it in the document. But we've also increased by 495% when the current leadership got into football. The total money that was spent for women's football in the continent was $975,000. Now it's close to $6 million, and there's still a lot more that we have to do.

Two final points before I take questions. The AFCON in Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda is going to be enormously successful. There's no World Cup. I mean, when I went to the World Cup in 2014 to Brazil, and there was the opening match, some of the leaders there said to me, 'Sorry, do you see that some parts of the stadium were not complete, they were not 100% ready?' So when I became president of CAF, they said take away from Cameroon, and I could never allow that because we have to have confidence in our people, despite the challenges, and sometimes there'll be failures as well. We just try again. So the AFCON in East Africa is going to be enormously successful. There are some challenges, but I'm proud of the work that the heads of state of Kenya, Tanzania, and Uganda are doing. So I'll see all of you next year for the AFCON in Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda. Two quick points. We've opened the bids for AFCON 2028, AFCON 2032, and AFCON 2036. I will have gone long by then, because I was supposed to be president only for one term. And when they said to me that if you leave, all the money we promised for CAF we will leave with you, I thought, you know, we've made too many sacrifices to not allow the good work that we've done to be implemented. And part of my job also is to make sure that there are good leaders, and there are good leaders who will not only take over from me but also continue the good work that we've started. And I saw Danny in South Africa and Botswana and others and met various others. We've received exciting, exciting bids. And then, of course, the member associations came to me and said, 'But President, you see, if you increase the number of participating teams from 24 to 28, it's going to make it difficult for us to participate. I mean, you have emphasized that you want every zone to host the AFCON.' It's because I've seen what the AFCON does. I mean, when the presidents of football in the country say to me, 'My government has never taken me so serious. They've never allocated so much money to building the stadiums. They've never made so much money available for hotels, for hospitals. They've never encouraged the private sector to support professional football.' We have to support professional football. It's the backbone, as well as amateur football, but we have to support professional football in every one of the 54 countries on the continent. And tell the private sector, you know, give them money, invest. You will make more money as the businesses that support because our people love companies that are there where our people are. So I'm very excited about the proposals we've received. We will make announcements. And another very exciting thing is the invitation to tender for African football because of governance, because of ethics, because of transparency, because of auditing practices, the private sector wants to support us because they know if they put money into football, it doesn't go into pockets that it is not supposed to go to. It goes to development for young boys and girls, amateur football, support the football federation, support the professional soccer leagues. So we've had a number of enormously exciting, some of the biggest international marketing and agency companies that want to partner with CAF for our commercial rights, TV rights, hospitality. And this is part of the $1 million plan that I've discussed to ensure that every member association gets at least a million dollars from CAF, and that money must go to the member association to develop and grow football.

Just before I go to the — my apologies, just before I make one final remark, I want to thank Gianni Infantino for the excellent work that he's done and thank FIFA. Thank Matías for hosting what was the most successful FIFA World Cup in the history of the competition. They did good work. I'm very proud, and what Gianni has done is to contribute to us increasing the number of African national teams. Enormously important. We have to be smart in Africa. We need partners. We've got to work together with the other confederations. It's very important because at times when we need their votes. So we need friends. We need good partnerships, good relationships. We've got a very good agreement with UEFA to work together on areas where we can develop and grow football. They say that they learn from us. We definitely learn from them as much as we learn from CONMEBOL and from Asia. We've got good ties with CONCACAF, with Asia, Oceania, and CONCACAF, and of course FIFA is our mother body. Very, very proud. And that's why we as Africa, and I personally, Gianni has been loyal, Gianni Infantino has been loyal to Africa, he's been loyal to me. So whoever takes over from — I'm — let me say it in English. You have to have partners. You need to have a president of FIFA who is as committed to African development and growth as Gianni Infantino is. You need that. And then you need to work with others as well, with other confederations, for the success of football in the world because we also need football to develop and grow on the African continent.

continent. We're going to meet in Abuja in Nigeria for the ordinary general assembly in November. Nigeria is a proud football nation and there's a reason why I took it to Nigeria and there's a reason why I'm looking at some of the countries in Africa because we have to do something very special in every one of the 54 countries on the continent as much as we have to do something special in South Africa, in Kenya, in Cameroon, in all over the continent. Okay. I think we can go home now. Please no political questions. All right. So, so they will now circulate the because the political questions are boring. I think you are as bored as I am. I mean that when my shareholders ask me political questions, I have no choice. I'm going to answer them. And I sometimes start thinking to myself, I don't think I'm doing a good job because they keep asking these things. So, we've agreed. No political questions. We can And of course, I don't know what the other club is one. And we love Golden Arrows. I like ali and then I must quickly say I like zamale and and and pyramids as well. I like vidat every single one of the 13 rollers. I love all the wonderful teams from all over the country all over the continent. Okay. So give the we can circulate the and golden arrows I love as well which is a team from Cape Town now because ahis yeah oh just I will be in on Saturday Saturday night I fly out to Morocco but I'll be at Jaden Adams's funeral to express my personal condolence. I mean really it's there are certain things I'm weak at you know when you hear these things oh gosh it's it's it's very painful but we'll be there to pay our respects and and sort of give support to the family and to all our young people in the country to say we are there with you. uh you are going to circulate.

Just to reemphasize that once again historic day for African football today. The prize money for women's AFCON will be $2 million. That's about 35 million rand for the winner. For the winner for the winner $2 million US. That's about 35 million rand in local currency here. Historic day again from since the president of ke took over the prize money was $200,000 for the women's corn winner. Now it has gone up to $2 million US. We will now take over some questions. I think they will situate the press release in a minute and also we've got a couple of questions that are online that have been sent to me already and we will go through these questions. So maybe we should take you Mark Straight will go first and then I will go somewhere in the middle and then I will go online afterwards and then TM Shabar. So Mark we will go to a lady first. Mark you go first.

Brilliant, brilliant question Mark. Very good question. And that's why I the media is so critically critically important because whether it's in business or football or I don't know even in church or in politics and in the economy it's important that you ask these questions. We have a duty to answer them as best we can because we also have a duty to report to the hundreds of millions of football spectators and fans on the continent. I must say I was very emotional when I heard what the Somali referee Omar said to me and I was also emotional but he was excited because we said to him you are now going to be the referee of the biggest club competition in Europe. And I really want to thank Sephron and thank UEFA for the discussions and for this opportunity. I'm clear in my mind because the issue of the circumstances under which a country either allows somebody to come in or not to come in. We've had lots of those challenges. We had the same challenges in other countries on the continent in football and there it's a sovereign issue. They've got their laws and their requirements. My job and my duties is to make sure that we are there to support the Somali referee Omar and he's our best. We gave him an award as our best referee on the continent. We are proud of him and we will keep on supporting him and all the other referees. Talking about Giani, you know what is more important is what we discuss in private and it's important for me to always look at the heart of a person. We are all human, we all have weaknesses and frailties and we all make mistakes and I think I make more mistakes than anybody else but what I like is the deep love for football, the deep commitment to football in the world by Giani, the support for Africa and we did that some of the issues that we have discussed including some of the issues that you have raised and I'm satisfied that he has always shown the deepest commitment. You know, there are rules in FIFA and we all have to respect those rules. I was laughing when he said that sometimes the FIFA judicial bodies makes decisions that he doesn't like. I thought he got that from me because the CAF judicial bodies sometimes take decisions that I don't like at all. But I've got to keep quiet and support them because their independence is critically important. And they have to know that they must take decisions that have got nothing to do with whether the president of football supports or don't support. And the people in FIFA who took the decisions you refer to. I've been exposed to, you know, you see the CVs, there are some people there with enormous integrity and I think the issue for us now is to make sure that because public perception is everything for all of us. You know, I can stand as a president of CAF, I mean let me give you another, the AFCON every four years. Now I know that I'm giving them the same AFCON as it is now every two years identical but I'm doing something else and giving them something different every four years. But it doesn't matter what I say and this is the point you made Mark very important. It's what ordinary football people and not just football people and non-football people on the continent what their perception is of what we do and it's important that CAF and I know that FIFA as well we're all committed to make sure that in the minds and in the perspectives of ordinary people in Africa and worldwide we are seen as an organization that upholds governance and ethics at the highest levels. I'm going to be more brief because that's a very important question you ask and I had to try and give as much explanation as possible. So the next questions the answer is going to be yes no yes no.

good to see you

It's a very good question and I think we if we receive any request we've got to look at it and and discuss within EXCO and EXCO is the most authoritative the most senior body in KEF and and we have a duty to look at every proposal and and take decisions based on what's in the best interest of football. So I think I've answered you now.

What more would you want me to say?

Yeah. I hope you are happy with what I said. What do you want me to say? Expand. I've expanded as much as I can. Let me be more direct.

Decisions of this nature have to be looked at by XCO and XCO is to take the decision and we have a duty to look at every proposal that we receive. So the secretary general is not here. That proposal will be submitted to XCO to look at and to take decisions based on what's in the best interest of football. It's our duty to do that. Thank you very much. Next question. Bali

Good to see you,

I'm so goes to increase in salaries and wages. I I like that.

very good question Bali. Very good question. we we the the process is now before Cass and whatever decision Cass takes we will respect and implement. I mean look at what happened at the World Cup decisions that refugees takes there's always a contestation. What we have to do is to learn from what happened and we have we've already passed laws to make sure that what happened in Morocco never happens again. and and also keep engaging with the referees, V match commissioners to make sure that the rules and the laws are very clear and because at the end of the day what again what ordinary football people think on the continent about the results is critically important. the integrity of the decisions that are taken and and there must always be a clear perception that you win because you're the best. You don't win because the referee takes decisions that are questionable or the questionable VR decisions that are taken. So I'm very happy. We've had lots of discussions and I'm told that what I said was I'm sick and tired of answering the same question. It's not totally correct. What I actually meant was I think people are sick and tired and so am I by giving you the same answer all the time. And the same answer says you know I go to at the World Cup people from Sagal said president please leave the c the trophy where it is. people from Morocco says president you know the decision was taken in our favor and and the point is I always have to give the same answer which is I have to wait for the decision of cast I can't give you any other decision or any other response than I there's nothing I can do legally ethically I I have to comply with the rules and regulation the statutes of ke and fever and those are I have to wait for the conclusion and then implement it. So I said I'm sick and tired of telling you I have to wait I have to wait for cast I have to wait for cast and I thought that you must always also be sick and tired of hearing me saying the same thing to you but thank you very much excellent question. Okay, we go to you and then afterwards we come this side and then I'll go back that side. I have to go to him and then afterwards Timber Ml and then Gary you'll be next.

Brilliant question. Brilliant question. I think part of how you do better or how you how you move in the right direction of success is to is to recognize the weaknesses and things you can deal with differently and better. Now let me tell you, we gave the AFCON to Morocco and when there were matters concerning the hosting of the Afcon, I received many other proposals from other countries who said bring the sorry my bring the WFCON to us. Bring the Wcon to us and and we have to behave in a manner that is ethical that is principled. it would have been incorrect to take the way from Morocco because when we had opened the tend and said come anybody wants to host because I'm clear in my mind I want the competitions I want every zone and as many countries as possible to host these competitions. So when there were these challenges we had to engage to make sure that we maintain the ethics we maintain the respect the mutual respect and I'll even say the mutual trust and could we have done better absolutely but we did the rising by not having it. It was supposed to be in February. Yes. Yeah. The same thing what is your name again? Yanda. Yanda was a course. Yanda. The same thing with the Chan in Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda. It was supposed to take place last year in February. They were not ready. I could have taken it away from them, but that would have been the wrong thing to do. and we had to be there to support and work together. They spent so much more money between February and August last year to have this big competition in those three countries and we've benefited immensely. We've learned as well, but it gave us a prelude to what we should do and the challenges we might be confronted with next year in June and July. So I'm very happy and and and we are all in care very happy and excited that we've done the right thing. Besides if we had it in February we wouldn't have been able to significantly increase the prize money as we have now and get lots of focus lot women's football is crucial and you know it should not just be we shouldn't pay lip service to women's football. We should do more than pay lift services and a 900% increase in the money we are allocating to women's football is is a substantial expression of confidence and commitment. But thank you for the question. If I might go to the WhatsApp questions from international journalist one is from Moritania Ahmed Lam from Moritania. He writes, 'Mr. President African referees officiated only in 11 out of the 104 matches at the at the World Cup raising concerns about um the treatment of African referees. How do you respond to this and how can we ensure that more African referees are officiating a top match?'

A very good question. Obviously, I want as many African referees as possible to be at the World Cup and to officiate as many matches as possible and and we will continue the the discussions and the engagement with FIFA and and with Pier Luigi who I think does very good work and is very committed and passionate and I've had that question asked and raised by many people and I can assure you that those matters have been discussed and I'm confident that there will be significantly more African referees and part of that is to continue work to working together between Kev and FIFA to keep training, keep supporting, keep uplifting the standards and qualities of African referees. African referees are as good as the best in the world. My apologies. They're as good as the best in the world and we've got lots of confidence in them and they should be there at the highest level in the world. Of course, if an African nation is in the final, we will not have an African referee there, but I want both. Let's have the African referee it's we we want to see African referees as many of them at the highest level at FIFA competitions. Next,

just another question from Nigeria from Timothy from Nigeria. president. He writes, 'Mr. good afternoon, Mr. President. Congratulations. Did the performance of the African nations at the World Cup reinforce your belief that KE's current club and national team competitions are adequately preparing players for the world's biggest stage?' Absolutely. You see, I have to to to God jealously you know about the quality and the global competitiveness of our club football competitions and our national team competitions. And that's why we've allocated I mean, you know, when I became president, Kev was in debt to the amount of $150 million. We owed $150 million. We now have $150 million in our bank account. But be careful, that money is not supposed to sit in our bank accounts. It's supposed to consistently be allocated to the member associations to football for boys and girls to training of referees and coaches and and so you will you will see from our financial statements we keep as little money as possible on our balance sheet because the money is not supposed to be in our bank account. It's supposed to be used and spent on the ground. So the performances of the African national teams at the FIFA World Cup reflects that the quality of African football. Look Egypt was winning two-0 against against Argentina. Cabo drew with the champions and he's from Nigeria. Nigeria has got some of the best players not just in Africa but in the world and I'm confident Nigeria will continue to make us proud as they did in the past. Same Cameroon and same Bafana Bafana and every one of the 54 African national teams.

I like the message of good luck. You know, I I remember when I was a student at Vitz and Darin Pu always reminds me of this and you know and we were marching you know against the government against a part and we were fighting and we said you know they can hit us and we will keep fighting. And then the police were standing outside Fitz and they had such big sticks you know and we were debating should we continue with the march and one guy from Guazur Natal said guys let us just pray and go home you know because if we keep marching they're going to hit us so hard and then of course there were those like both who said no no no we have to go on so going to the issue of South Africa Again, we've got to keep giving positive messages and and it's very clear we have to to unite to keep South African football together, united both within Safa and as well as the relationship between Safa and the PSL. Very very very important. And you said something very important. KEF will be there to support as well as FIFA to make sure that the processes are in compliance with the KEF and FIFA statutes and regulations. But what the president of KEF cannot do is to say I like Lux, but I don't like John. You you don't do that. at the present. I mean I had the same problem in Kuruva when Drogba wanted to be was standing as to be president of the football league in in u in Ivory Co. I like dropper made us proud as much as I like eto. I mean all the football players we're all proud of them but I had to tell a meeting where there were many many more people than what is in this room that my job is to is to we have to support and make sure it's all done in a manner that's legal and ethical and and to make sure that the candidate that wins is the one that enjoys the support of of football in the country. But we should not listen I know Danny. He's an somebody I've known. I like him. I know Sandil. Sandila was my secretary general when I was president of black business and I was given the job to say you have to unite black and white businesses. Big big challenge. And so Danny will phone me and say whatever he wants. Sandle will fold me and say whatever he likes but I think there's a clear understanding that as a president of KEV I have to maintain a position of of impartiality and neutrality but having said that I have a big stake like all of us this country has got enormous potential enormous potential enormous potential you know this 20 country can produce the national team that will be in the not just the semi-finals in the finals of the FIFA World Cup can do that. It won't happen overnight but it starts with everybody working together. Dr. Koa is an old old he keeps telling me that he he is implementing my father's agenda in football. So I said but if you are implementing my father's agenda in football what agenda am I implementing but you know we ask now so of course I know I I was born in Orlando so if you were born in Orlando you had no choice with they said you will support pirates whether you like it or not. And then of course we got exposed to Kesa very as young boys from the family love Kaiser chiefs love Orlando pyrus love misanos and all the others. So I'm confident that that the process will be in a manner that's appropriate. That's our job to also supervise that and and a decision will be taken that's in the interest of football and we will work together and support whichever candidate has been chosen by the leadership of football in the country. Okay.

Well let me say this. CNN asked me No, don't don't clap hands for that. I mean, CNN asked me along the same line of questions that you did and my answer is very simple. South Africa does not need me to go into politics. There are many very capable very good leaders in this country. I I I don't want to mention names. I've had the enormous privilege. The only problem I have is I'm not I'm not part of any group. And that's why even some of the friends who are my friends say things which are which are not flattering because somebody said to them that somebody might persuade me to change my view. But that's still my brothers, man. And I understand why they say so or why they make these statements because they've got a lot at stake in the context of the group that they belong to and they need that group to succeed. I understand that. But no no no no person is indispensable. I mean I've I've I've had the privilege of leading black business. I don't know where United Black and White Business and you actually charge judge a leader by not how good things were when he was there or she was there but what happened when they've gone. And this is the issue that I'm applying my mind to now within Kev. I deeply love this country and I deeply love the people of this country and and I have the privilege of doing the things that where I think I can make a contribution. I mean this thing about FIFA let me rather say I've said on many of FIFA doesn't listen I love FIFA huge enormous contribution that FIFA does but I have no desire or ambition to be president of FIFA doesn't excite me I found Lux at 3:00 in the and tell him about something I should have told him last week which I thought of at 3:00 in the morning but because I didn't phone him at 3:00 I forgot but also this country has got has got good people many good good people we shouldn't only focus on on our failures and deficiencies and there are many of them but there's so much that we should that we should take confidence from and and be proud of and the religious leaders I have the privilege of interacting with because values and what you believe in and what you stand for is very very important and the traditional leaders the kings and and and also all political parties every single political party I don't want to mention names the people I've had the honor to intact with and it's easy for me I mean I can stand by the sideline and say that it's like football for example when they came to me and said we want you to be considered being president of K one of the leaders said it doesn't even come to meetings of the football board of governors because I don't need to go there because you've got Irvin Koa and Dr. Koa Dr. mut people I love I've got a long history with both of them and various others good work and the work that has been done in safa you know under denny and various others you know let's look at the good you will always find things to criticize because it's it's society but I want to conclude by saying that we will my biggest contribution is when I have the capacity to keep engaging as I'm privileged to with all leaders of all political parties because no political party can take this country forward on its own. The voters have shown us that. So let's, you know, let's think about the poor. Let's focus on the poor and the unemployed and we will all do much better. Let's go back to football now.