What we're trying to do is to bring the machine closer to you.
Most people think this is the guy running Open AI, but behind the curtain is this guy, Greg Brockman, the company's president.
Our focus is really about building better models. That exponential continues.
And boy, is he determined to build AI as powerful as possible and use it to reinvent your computer.
Devices like this is just it's so painful.
But it's hard to reinvent the computer without running into the company that reinvented the last big computing shift. Does this Apple lawsuit slow things down for you? Look, there are a lot of things to talk to Brockman about. I focused our conversation on the future of computers, why voice is important, what they're doing with the chat GPT app, and why the heck we should trust OpenAI with any of this. I talk to chat GBT a lot using voice mode in the car when I'm walking. And so, I thought maybe I would let it do some of the talking here today. Okay, chat. We're really
Okay. So, we're really in the interview right now. Everything we've been practicing for,
it's happening right now.
proceed. Hi, Greg. Quick one from me. Why does this voice need to sound so human?
Well, I think that the history of machines is about the humans contorting themselves to helping the machine operate, which ultimately is to help the human. But if you think about it, it's like we're all contorting ourselves to, you know, type in our phones. You get your carpal tunnel on your computer.
No, my back legit right now. I can, it's very hard for me to sit in this chair.
100%. Yeah. What? What? What? Chad, do you agree with us?
Great example in plain language.
So, I actually did tell chat that its job during the interview was to tell me if there were any times you were falling into marketing speak. Ah, you chat, keep going. Your job is to interrupt when there's marketing speak, but please just keep it to real marketing speak. Okay,
got it. Only real marketing speak. I'll keep quiet otherwise.
To be clear, chat basically failed at this for the rest of the interview.
Why do we build technology? Like what's the whole purpose of it, right? It should be something that empowers us that helps us make our lives better and that that is why we build AI. And so my view of what we're trying to do with voice mode is to bring the machine closer to you. Like it is so unnatural for us to be typing and texting and all these things. It's much more natural for us to be doing this. And if you can interface this way with the machine, with a computer, you can get so much more done.
But there's these moments with the new model where like you hear the ums or the like kind of a click of a mouth or a breath. Say like uh-huh, right? And it sounds so human. Do we need to sound like we are not talking to computers?
I think there is important nuance here, right? So the ums and and those kinds of acknowledgements called back channels that's something that is actually I think very important for how humans are able to have high bandwidth communication right if you don't get any of that feedback you don't get the uhhuh you don't get the nod from someone else sometimes you think you're talking to a void you lose your train of thought you're not quite sure the single most important goal for AI is to free up humans to be able to interact with each other to have real human interactions and I think that AI is just a different thing
is the goal though that we are sort of talking to our computers and we don't really need to type anymore.
I think that we will shift to that as by far the vast majority of what we do.
I think we're going to find that typing like it's it's it's kind of interesting to see in today's office space. There are people who are have these like these beaks. You can get them off of Amazon.
Yes, I have seen these. I was going to ask you about the beaks.
Yes, I don't use it myself, but it really shows you where there's product market fit. Well, now you have a beak, Greg.
And so do I. Seriously, this is what he's talking about. This is a soundproof gaming mask that allows you to talk to your computer so no one else hears you. To be clear, this is not cool. And I do not think most American office workers will wear this. I mean, you can look at the word rates of how fast people type versus how much they speak. There's like a gap of something like four times at least. I find it for myself where if I am interacting with other people and it's just a very quick message I want to send back and forth, I actually prefer to type it. But anything that's long, that's descriptive that has to get into it, I just want to speak.
Over the last month, OpenAI improved the voice mode on the phone and also finally brought it to the desktop.
You can just enable chatb here just like you can enable it on your phone. This system is going to get so much better. But the first thing is that you have all the power of chat GBT and particularly chat GBT work which means it's a full agent. It can actually take action. It's hooked up to all the connectors that you provided access to. And so in this case this is hooked up to an inbox that has a bunch of information about travel. And so could you uh chat could you go and just tell me a little about what trip is upcoming uh and make sure that that all the meetings are non overlapping and that it all kind of makes sense together.
and Oh, there you go. Now, so we've got multiple AIS.
I check the destination and dates in.
All right. So, chat chat that's supposed to talk about marketing speak. I just want you to be quiet. We're not going to talk to you for now. We're just going to talk to computer chat.
Yeah. Joanna's chat. I'm muting you for just a moment. Now, computer quiet for now. Now, computer chat, what have you found?
It's the Toronto trip for Project Gold. You fly out tonight, then have recordings, team meetings, and dinners through Saturday, and then return Sunday morning
and actually turn into a little website that you pop up as well. And about a minute later,
the trip page is now open in your browser.
So, you can you get a nice visualization of where we're going, what we're doing.
to think of this as we have this voice interface almost like a voice assistant or agent that you're talking to that has itself then the ability to operate your computer and that can operate codecs and that all the power of or you know attached to work and all the power that is behind that it is able to then operate too. It really also makes you think a little bit about what the future of work will be and the future of just how your days run. Like I think you'll wake up in the morning your agents will have done a bunch of work. There will be a bunch of to-dos. is they'll be like, I need you to unblock these things. Do you approve this spend? Like, what do you think of this? I'm considering a project to go, you know, build this for you or go find this for you. And that you'll be, you know, sipping your morning coffee as you just say yes, no, yes, no. And it really shifts towards a world where everyone becomes a manager, right? That everyone really is able to have all this leverage and empowerment. So, you've shown me what this future looks like on a computer, and I've been experiencing voice across different devices, but it feels like this voice is begging for a new kind of device.
What would this device look like?
It's a great question. I'm actually curious. Uh, chat, what what's your answer to that question?
Oh, good, good. Now, you can dodge questions with my chat GPT.
