"DON'T Go After My Wife!" Trump Victory Debate Feat Roger Stone, Sean Spicer & Anthony Scaramucci

I think we're about to enter a golden age in this country. I'm happy to confess on your show I got it wrong. I'd rather take WWE versus World War III. There's got to be some unity. I mean, both sides have been guilty of this rhetoric. Democrats need a self-examination. When you realized that Trump had won the White House, the Senate, did you cry? It was supposed to be the closest election of all time, but in the cold light of day it was a thumping landslide. A massive popular mandate with control of the Senate and probably the House too, and of course the White House. If the Democrats had won by anything close to these margins, the narrative would be one of a jubilant nation embracing a glorious new era of hope and change. It's dead. M's already been set to ferial, led by a somber and belated eulogy from the outgoing vice president.

Only when it is dark enough can you see the stars. I know many people feel like we are entering a dark time, but for the benefit of us all, I hope that is not the case. But here's the thing, America, if it is, let us fill the sky with the light of a brilliant, brilliant billion of stars. The light, the light of optimism, of faith, of truth and service.

Sorry, but what the hell is she talking about, honestly? There are five stages of grief. It's not unreasonable to say that Donald Trump got stuck on denial in 2020, but Harris campaigners and the legacy media are moving quickly into anger and depression. Hey there, how are you doing? If you watch the show regularly, I'm guessing you're not doing great.

I don't think Donald Trump's a good person. I'd even go so far as to say he's a bad person. Now, in my defense, I'm only basing that on everything I've ever been taught about what makes someone good or bad. Why are you leaving the country? I can't stay for another four years of this. Who knows what he's going to do. This is not the end, and we have to regroup and we have to continue to fight and continue to work day in and day out.

Honestly, have you ever seen anything more pathetic in your life? It's honestly pathetic. The reality is that a majority of Americans are feeling great because Trump won a massive win, a landslide. More than 70 million people voted for him in the belief that he will put more money in their pockets and make the world and the American border a safer place. Whether he can deliver on those promises or not remains to be seen, and I will call it and him out as I see it throughout the presidency, as I always have done in the past. But people voted for Trump for positive reasons. They're not happy with the direction of the country. They believe Trump will make it better. These grieving late night hosts and shocked cable news commentators might as well start their broadcast with a disclaimer that says if you're a Republican, turn off now. They're also delaying the most important stage of grief, which is acceptance. That's when you take stock of what's happened and work out what you're going to do about it. The Democrats need a whole new strategy for winning back the disaffected working-class voters they took for granted and lost. And I've got news for our at the bwalk podcast: that strategy will not include indulging this bizarre and frank fantasy.

I agree with Bill. I think this is a just a horrific event in American history. And we've got a period of disillusionment that we're going to have to deal with before we mobilize the resistance. And I think it will be the resistance. I'm prepared to put undocumented people in my attic. I can also say with some certainty that liberal journalists and Democrat politicians will not end up behind bars in the next four years, at least not for their politics.

But unfortunately that message hasn't reached the screeching AOC. Donald Trump has talked about turning the military on US citizens that he deems his domestic political enemies. Um, authoritarians and people that he affiliates closely with and strong men abroad, in regimes like that it is not uncommon to jail political dissidents or legislative opponents. Last time I checked, it was the Democrats who turned the legislative arsenal onto their political opponents and tried to in earnest to jail Donald Trump himself. That was wrong then and it's wrong now. So much so that in my view, as unpopular as it may be, Trump should make one of his first moves to pardon Hunter Biden. America's deeply and bitterly divided. Trump's opponents clearly are verging on the hysterical. It's that kind of gesture that possibly, possibly could bring the country a little bit closer together.

In a moment, I'm joined by an all-star cast to dissect the latest news on this bombshell victory for Trump. But first, a longtime Republican strategist who's worked for presidents Nixon, Reagan, and Trump. He's a man that many, including myself, including himself, I'm sorry, credit with first suggesting that Donald run for president. It's the infamous, notorious, famous Roger Stone. Roger, how are you?

Great, great. Having a great day.

Well, I'm sure you are. 1998 was the first time that you suggested to Donald Trump that he run for president. Did you actually ever imagine that not only would he win one term, but he would then lose and come back in the way that he's done with a massively bigger majority?

Yes, I actually did. I met him, of course, in 1980 when I was working for Ronald Reagan. But by 1988, I realized that he had the size—I mean the physical size—but the stature and the courage and the independence and the stamina to not be just a great candidate for president, but to actually be a great president. And I think I have been validated yet again.

Yesterday, I spoke to him yesterday morning. I rang him and had a chat with him, and even he seemed a bit shell-shocked by the size of the victory. I mean, to win the White House, to win the Senate, probably the House, you know, to have potentially two more picks of the Supreme Court coming in the next four years, almost all the state stuff was a landslide too. It's an extraordinary triumph for Trump, an amazing redemption for him personally, but also an extraordinary opportunity for him.

Well, I think you're exactly right. I mean, first of all, it is a testimony to his resilience, his strength, his persistence. But it's also a unique opportunity to return the country to unprecedented peace and prosperity, as well as opportunity for all the Americans. I really think—not only does he understand that, but I think he demonstrated in his first term that he knows how to lead us in that direction. And he has a very specific plan to get us back there. So I think we're about to enter a golden age in this country.

I was among many who thought after January the 6th it was over for Donald Trump, that we'd never see him anywhere near the White House again. It's been a remarkable comeback. How do you think he's pulled this off in terms of him personally? What are the characteristics of Donald Trump that have enabled him to make one of the greatest comebacks anyone's ever seen?

Look, I worked for Richard Nixon. I worked for Senator Bob Dole. They were both very tough guys. Donald Trump is the toughest human being I have ever met. He is persistent. When he has an idea, it's unshakable. He has a work ethic which was demonstrated once again, as it was at the end of the 2016 campaign, that leaves younger men like me behind. In a very strange way, his enemies, in their efforts to destroy him, to bankrupt him, to send him to jail, they turbocharged his campaign. I felt at the time that he announced his candidacy for this election a certain flatness among the electorate in terms of their response to it. Yet when they tried to destroy him, they literally turbocharged his campaign. It's hard to remember now, but many people said, oh well, Ron DeSantis will easily become the Republican nominee, Trump is yesterday's news. He vanquished DeSantis and quite easily. He stormed to the nomination in an unprecedented style. He got three times the margin of the previous big winner of the Iowa caucuses. That was my old boss, Senator Bob Dole. It was a relatively easy nomination, and the party is now completely remade in his image as the party of working Americans, the party of the middle class. They have underestimated his strength. The man is a lion.

I thought there was some—listen, I totally agree with you about that. And in fact, I wrote columns saying that I thought Ron DeSantis was the future. But then I think the way the left weaponized the justice system so transparently against Trump—you could see his own poll ratings, from that moment, as you put it, start to turbocharge. And they carried on. In fact, the more times he appeared in court, the better his approval rating got, to the extent that by the time we got to last week, his personal approval rating was the highest it had ever been as a politician, despite the fact that by then he was a convicted felon. So it's been an extraordinary thing to watch. And yet I felt the overreach by taking him through a criminal court over a ridiculous case involving Stormy Daniels from 20 years ago. I thought that was such an obvious abuse of power by the Democrats that actually it backfired completely.

I agree with all of that. The problem, of course, is that they are unhinged by their hatred for him, and I think it has clouded their political judgment, which is why they overreached. The American people were able to see that he was being unfairly persecuted in an effort to interfere in the election and destroy his campaign to return to the White House. So yes, he was ultimately helped by his enemies because they tried so hard to destroy him.

What kind of president will he be this time around, Roger? Because the first three years of his presidency were going pretty well. People were offended by stuff that came out of his mouth, but in terms of what he did, he was a reasonably moderate, successful Republican president. Then he got hit by the COVID pandemic, which, as it did to every country in the world, threw everything up on its head. And then we had the fallout, obviously, him refusing to accept the election result, January 6th, and so on. I don't want to go back over that. But he's got a chance now to reset his legacy, and he knows he can't run again. So I suspect, knowing him—and you can tell me what you think—but I suspect knowing him, he's going to really go for it this time, and he's going to try and really cement his legacy. What I'm not sure about is exactly how he sees that legacy. What do you think he'll be doing?

First of all, I do think he's going to be magnanimous in victory. He was in 2016, but his enemies would never concede defeat. I think he has a unique opportunity in a number of areas to be remembered as one of our greatest presidents. He understands that low energy prices, drilling again for gas and oil, are the cornerstone to a vibrant economy. He also understands that a vibrant economy, as JFK said, a rising tide lifts all boats. He has a deep commitment to criminal justice reform. We saw that in the first term in the First Step Act and the Second Chance Act. I think he should do more in that area, and I think he will. He's very focused now on the fact that there's a huge lack of affordable housing in America. Doesn't matter whether you're a buyer or a renter, it's impossible to buy and it's too expensive to rent. He's a builder. He's going to fix that problem. I think he understands that he has a unique opportunity to not only restore the country to its former greatness, but now to go down in the history books with FDR, with Theodore Roosevelt, with Abraham Lincoln, some of our greatest presidents. He is absolutely the right man at the right time for this job.

It is quite staggering that somebody who has been branded the most racist candidate in history, a neo-Nazi, a fascist, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, ended up with this surging support from Black voters and particularly from Latino voters, when he was up against a female Black candidate. What do you think that says about America? Was it just that American voters saw through all the Nazi nonsense?

First of all, it was nonsense. And our mistake, perhaps as political analysts, is to not realize that Black people and Hispanics—and really all people—they all want the same thing. They want economic opportunity and security. They want safe and secure neighborhoods. They want low gas prices. They want low food prices. They realized based on his four years and the last four years that Donald Trump brought us those things before, and that he could bring them again. So I think this is why he made these historic gains. Let's recognize that he won an absolute majority of Hispanic Americans. I mean, George W. Bush, I think, had the highest previous high-water mark at about 38 and a half percent. So people voted for their future, and they trust him with their future far more than they trusted Kamala Harris.

I posted on X this morning, and it got a lot of blowback from MAGA supporters. But I posted that it might be an interesting move by Donald Trump if he truly wants to send a signal early on that he wants to unify the country, to consider pardoning Hunter Biden, Joe Biden's son. Trump pardoned you after you were convicted of a crime. Would it be a good move, do you think, for Trump to effectively reach across the pardon aisle and pardon the current president's son?

Well, of course, Piers, as you know, once a federal judge ordered the justice department to release Robert Mueller's fully unredacted report, which the judge denied my defense attorneys at trial, even Mueller could not sugarcoat the fact that he found no evidence of Russian collusion, WikiLeaks collaboration, or, for that matter, any other crime. I was pleased when the president said that the pardon of Hunter Biden was not off the table. We need to bring America together again. We need to end this cycle of weaponization of our criminal justice system. The fact that Kamala and her surrogates were saying, well, if Trump is elected he will seek to prosecute and jail his political enemies—do they have no sense of self-awareness? They were accusing him of planning to do that, which he did not do in his first term, and that which was being done to him at that very instance.

I was pleased to see that he's considering it. I don't speak for him, I speak only for myself, but it is time to end this cycle where Republicans and Democrats are trying to destroy each other, put each other in prison. It was not like this when I entered politics. I had friends who were in the business, who were really smart people, Democrats, who you would eat with and drink with and hang out with and make jokes with. That camaraderie just no longer exists. We have to get back to a time where there is some civility in our politics. And I actually think Donald Trump understands that well.

In the interest of moving forward and reaching across to, you know, historic foes and so on, I just wanted to end on a bit of personal business, Roger. Because when I tweeted that Kamala Harris wasn't up to winning the presidency, you responded to me on X and you said, 'Piers now trying to suck Trump's dick after betraying him previously. A truly talentless dirtbag.' I just wondered whether now the dust is settled, you wanted to maybe rethink your view there, Roger?

Look, I confess to occasionally posting a too-martini tweet, and I'm less than perfect. But yes, let's have a reset. I had seen an interview with Trump in which I didn't think you treated him fairly, and that was my motivation. But it is a new day for all of us. None of us is perfect, and let's move forward on a more positive basis.

So you don't think I'm quite such a truly talentless dirtbag?

No, actually, you're not a bad fellow at all.

You know, it's interesting with Donald Trump, because I've known him a long time—not as long as you. I've known him nearly 20 years. And I've criticized him a lot, and I've praised him a lot when others haven't. And we've occasionally had a little wobble in the relationship. But the thing I've always liked about Donald Trump is that I always know when we've had a little spat or a falling out—we did after that interview you talked about—he rang me a few months later like nothing had happened. And I think he is actually a very loyal person, as you know, to people he's known a long time, even if occasionally they say or do stuff he doesn't like. He is actually a loyal guy.

Well, look, I think he falls in and out with people, but nobody is ever permanently banned. And Piers, look, anybody who sports a boutonniere like that can't really be a bad chap.

Roger, it's great to have you on Uncensored. Thank you very much.

Thank you, and God bless you.

Well, joining me now to discuss the latest is the former White House communications director, now host of The Rest of Politics USA, Anthony Scaramucci. The co-host of Gutfeld and author of 'I Used to Like You Until I Met You,' Cat Tim. Also the former communications director and host of The Sean Spicer Show, Sean Spicer. Well, what a remarkable trio to have to discuss this. Let me start with you, Anthony, if I may. I'm sure you won't be surprised. I want to start with you because I don't think I've ever seen anyone more certain on social media that they were going to be right about something who was then proven to be so spectacularly wrong. Your thoughts?

On the rhetoric though, you see, I think one of the biggest problems for the Democrats was that they kept talking about how offended they were by Trump's rhetoric, while simultaneously constantly calling him a Nazi, a fascist, and this and that, using the most extreme rhetoric imaginable, comparing him to a man who murdered 12 million people. And I'm saying, why are you doing this to my liberal friends? Do you not understand that most average Americans do not think Trump is Adolf Hitler and nowhere near Adolf Hitler, and it's incredibly offensive, actually, to keep using that analogy. So when it comes to the rhetoric, do you accept, Anthony, that on your side the rhetoric was also pretty awful?

Cat, it's interesting that Trump talked about having a core of common sense, and that is why he believes there's been this realignment of the electorate where you've got so many Black Americans, Latino Americans, and others gravitating to somebody despite the fact he's been called racist and so on. This common sense part has been very interesting to watch. The New York Times today had a fascinating report that one of the most effective ads that the Trump campaign did—and they were stunned, apparently, by how effective it was—was the one that talked about Kamala Harris will be for they/them and Trump will be for you, him or you, you, me, you, whatever it was. But whatever it was, it was making a point about this whole issue of the trans debate, which many Democrats have tried to downplay. And yet I've constantly said this is something most people really feel fired up about, which is this thing of trans athletes in women's sport and so on and getting into women's spaces and so on. And the effectiveness of that ad seems to suggest that I was right and that the Democrats were very wrong to try and downplay it and say that people didn't care. And I saw Joe Scarborough on MSNBC saying the same thing. You know, I think that kind of issue played into that core of common sense that Trump was talking about. What do you think?

Yeah, I wrote not one but two chapters about gender in my most recent book because of this, and I think it's one of these issues where a lot of people do agree, but there's the extremes on the two sides that are very loud. And another thing that's in my book is that research shows over and over again that there's huge gaps between what people will say out loud and what people will actually believe, perhaps because of fear of this sort of cancel culture. And I think with Joe Biden it was one thing, because I think a lot of people really believed that Joe Biden was a moderate. And Joe Biden himself might honestly be a moderate. I honestly think sometimes if you were to walk up to him and ask him to explain they/them pronouns with no teleprompter and no notes, I don't know that he would be able to do that. I think there was a team of people around him that was pushing some of this stuff. But I think honestly that when you have Kamala, it's a different story. She ran a very progressive campaign in 2020. There are videos of her saying certain things. She actually is on record saying that—when Trump said it, it sounds crazy, it does sound crazy when Trump said that she wanted to have taxpayer-funded transgender operations on, how did he put it, illegal aliens in prison, and everybody laughed, and it turns out she actually is on record supporting that. So I think that was one of the things that made the huge difference.

I think also that it's something that a lot of people don't really understand. Transgender people are a small percentage of the population, and it did get to a point where even asking a question about something you don't understand in the incorrect way could be enough to see yourself canceled. And I think that of a lot of the people who I know—who I know a lot of people who voted for Trump for the first time in this past election. I still—I'm a third-party voter, I still stuck with that—but a lot of the people who voted for him this time were men, and they said, 'Listen, I voted for Trump, please don't tell my wife.' And it was this idea of if you were constantly being told how bad you are, and you are constantly being told that there's no solutions, if there's going to be—if you want to be progressive, there has to be some sort of path to progress, there has to be some sort of redemption possible, you have to be able to learn and grow and be a better person. But that's not what people saw Democrats becoming. It was okay, you said this, did this, you're done. And I think that's one of the issues where we saw this. But that's not the only issue where we saw this, and I think that overall people kind of saw their vote as a way to kind of stick it to that. Because you reach a point where you're like, okay, if I'm just bad, what do you want me to do? Do you want me to kill myself? What do I do? There was no path to redemption. There's no path to progress. And if you can't win, why try? And I think that was what the vote was for a lot of people.

Yeah, you know, I always found it ironic that the left would constantly say Trump's a fascist whilst themselves behaving very like fascists. You know, the purest personification of fascism is where a group of people tell another group of people, if you don't dress how we tell you to, speak how we tell you to, laugh at things that we think are acceptable, you know, have heroes that we have approved, read books that we have approved, etc., etc.—that is actually what fascism is. It's where you try, through your own narrow prism of your worldview, try and dictate that to everybody else on pain of utter cancellation, shaming, vilification, ruination, getting them kicked out of their jobs, and so on. You know, I kept saying to my liberal friends, this is fascism. Actually, this far-left progressive woke stuff is fascism.

Charles, great to have you back on Uncensored. You must be feeling, I guess, rather chipper today. It's an extraordinary win, obviously, for the Republicans. What do you put it down to? How has Trump managed to pull off the greatest comeback in American political history?

Yeah, it's a—by the way, it's a combination of euphoria and exhaustion. I've had a few hours of sleep. But I think there's a lot of what you guys just talked about, the culture factor. But more importantly, for the first time in over a hundred years, America had a stark choice. You could look at the four years of Donald Trump or the four years of Kamala Harris and Joe Biden. And so the rhetoric is usually propositional, it's theoretical—I will promise you this, my opponent will do all these bad things, etc., etc.—from both sides. And what happened in this election is that the American people could say, I hear the stuff that they're saying about Trump, that this is how he's going to govern, this is what he'll do, but I remember the four years he was in. Yeah, a little chaotic, but things got done. We were more prosperous, the border was secure, the world was more stable. I had a morning little conversation called The Morning Meeting at 9:00 a.m. Eastern, and one of the guys in the chat put it this way: he said, I'd rather take WWE, which is a wrestling federation in America, versus World War III. And I think that there were a lot of people that were worried about how Kamala Harris would govern, whether it was economically, culturally—as you guys just mentioned—or just the threat that we face from abroad from China, North Korea, Iran. And she didn't instill a sense of stability, of understanding the issues. People were willing to give her a chance when they pushed Joe Biden out, but at the end of the day the attacks didn't hold water when it came to Donald Trump, because people had seen what he had done for four years, and they knew the difference between the four years of Donald Trump on a range of issues versus what the world and the country have become under Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. And voters don't get that choice very often, and we could look at it in very stark real terms in terms of the record of results for both sides.

Yeah, and there's no doubt that's what most Americans did, and they voted accordingly, hence this landslide.

One point off your fascism: it was also the attacks on democracy, right? The 'democracy was under attack' didn't hold water. We just conducted the fundamental principle of democracy, which is going out and voting. But the other side was the side—when it comes to democracy, they tried to kick Donald Trump off the ballot, they tried to kick RFK off the ballot, they tried to

Kick Jill Stein, the Green Party candidate, off the ballot. So when it came to democracy being under attack, it was actually the other side that was actually doing things to undermine the democracy. Yeah, I certainly think there was a double standard.

Let's bring in Larry Wilmore. Something real quickly though, I'm gonna come to you in a minute, Anthony. I just want to go to Larry Wilmore, who's not had a chance to speak yet, the comedian and host of the Black on the Air podcast. Larry, I want to play you—it's a mashup of the late night hosts crying and weeping over Trump's victory. Let's take a look.

Hey there, how are you doing? If you watch the show regularly, I'm guessing you're not doing great. I don't think Donald Trump's a good person. I'd even go so far as to say he's a bad person. Now, in my defense, I'm only basing that on everything I've ever been taught about what makes someone good or bad. Why are you leaving the country? I can't stay for another four years of this. Who knows what he's going to do. This is not the end, and we have to regroup, and we have to continue to fight and continue to work day in and day out.