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Tiff Macklem
Governor, Bank of Canada

‘...Death Of Open Trade With US’: Bank Of Canada Governor Gives Chilling Warning Amid Trump Tariffs

📅 Sep 22, 2026 Hook Global 64 MIN 2795 VIEWS 95 SEGMENTS · 11 SPEAKERS
The Canada-U.S. trade relationship is facing a major shift as tariffs and uncertainty continue to weigh on businesses and the economy. Bank of Canada Governor Tiff Macklem explains how Canadian companies are adapting, the risks facing growth and inflation, and why the changing trade landscape could have lasting consequences. He also outlines what policymakers are watching closely in the months ahead. #Canada #TrumpTariffs #USCanada #TradeWar #BankOfCanada 0:00 – Bank Of Canada Governor On Trump Tariffs 2:34 – ‘Death Of Open Trade’ With The US 5:00 – Tariffs Hit Auto, Steel & Aluminum Sectors...

What Tiff Macklem said

Written from the verified transcript and checked against it. Every figure links to the moment it was said.

Bank of Canada Governor Tiff Macklem, speaking in Halifax, said Canada has gone through stages of grief over the 'death of open trade' with the US. He described three stages of business adjustment: reassessment, adaptation, and transformational change. Macklem noted non-energy exports rose 14.5% in Q2 and business investment grew at an annualized rate of almost 9%. He warned that if new US tariffs remain, Q4 growth could be roughly halved to below 1%. On inflation, he said CPI is around 3%, partly due to Middle East conflict pushing oil prices near $100 per barrel, with gasoline prices consistent with oil $40 higher. He introduced a new forecasting model, Prima, to be used for the October monetary policy report. Macklem said the governing council left the policy rate unchanged earlier in September, balancing risks to growth and inflation.

Key takeaways

  1. If new US tariffs remain in place, Q4 growth could be roughly halved to below 1%.
  2. Non-energy exports rose 14.5% in Q2, reaching their highest level since early 2025.
  3. CPI inflation has remained around 3% in recent months, largely due to higher fuel costs.
  4. The Bank of Canada will use its new forecasting model, Prima, for the first time in the October monetary policy report.
  5. The governing council decided to leave the policy rate unchanged earlier in September.

Numbers and commitments

FigureWhat it refers toTypeAt
below 1% Q4 growth forecast if new US tariffs remain guidance 12:06
14.5% Q2 non-energy exports rise metric 5:38
almost 9% Q2 annualized business investment growth metric 9:22
3% Recent CPI inflation rate metric 13:49
$100 per barrel Oil price assumption for inflation outlook guidance 14:13
$40 Oil price equivalent of recent gasoline prices metric 12:50
5% Share of Canada's goods exports to US affected by new tariffs metric 11:41
October 28th Date of next Bank of Canada forecast update timeline 56:48

Chapters

  1. 0:00Structural forces reshaping Canada's economy
  2. 3:00Three stages of business adjustment
  3. 5:08Business adaptation to US trade tensions
  4. 7:07AI adoption and labor market impact
  5. 9:01Demographic change and labor force growth
  6. 9:22Investment and productivity outlook
  7. 11:41Impact of new US tariffs on growth
  8. 12:50Middle East conflict and oil price effects
  9. 16:29Bank of Canada policy considerations
  10. 20:17New forecasting model Prima

Questions asked in this interview

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  1. 25:20What is your sense of how well we're adapting here in our region and specifically Nova Scotia?
  2. 28:03How does the Bank of Canada consider these regional variations in your actions?
  3. 31:41Have we made any progress and does the term emergency still apply?
  4. 36:33How much does productivity affect Bank of Canada's decision making around rates?
  5. 44:39Can you talk a little about the inflation situation you're seeing in Canada and how that compares or is different than what we're seeing in the US where they hiked rates last week?
  6. 47:31I mean, does that make you more sensitive to the idea that consumers might just expect inflation to be worse than it might actually turn out to be?
  7. 53:33Was there worry about falling behind the curve here?
  8. 56:07Do you think the market is getting ahead of themselves in terms of Bank of Canada tightening, especially given some of the concerns you have about a further delay in investment and hiring decisions?
  9. 58:23Like, what exactly are you trying to warn Canadians by saying you don't want to be too slow?
  10. 1:01:01So about your new forecasting model, can you use it to reassess your analysis and policy decisions that you made in the past and spot any mistakes or suggest better ways and use them going forward?
Tiff Macklem 0:00 ↗
And because a weaker economy puts downward pressure on inflation, it would affect the inflation outlook as well. If these new tariffs remain in place, growth could be roughly halved in the fourth quarter to below 1%.
Well, good afternoon. It is a great pleasure to be here in Halifax, rain or shine. And Wendy, thank you for that introduction. Scott, thank you for your introductory remarks about the energy opportunity. And my thanks to Halifax Partnership for the invitation. It is really wonderful to be here. We had a very good conversation at lunch about the opportunities that Halifax Partnership is working on, how to connect the dots, how to leverage them, and I'm going to pick up on some of those themes today.
In February, I gave a speech about structural change, the profound economic adjustment facing Canada and the world. I highlighted increased trade tensions, rapid advances in artificial intelligence, and demographic changes that were beginning to reshape our economy.
Six months later, there's mounting evidence that Canadian businesses and households are adapting to these forces, and the economy is growing once again. Businesses are adjusting their supply chains, exploring new markets, investing in new technologies, and hiring new workers. As a result, the economy began the summer in a stronger position. Exports, investment, and growth all picked up, and conditions in the labor market began to improve.
But two important developments are shifting the risks to growth and inflation. Trade tensions between Canada and the United States have reescalated and that is creating fresh uncertainty for businesses and households. And the conflict in the Middle East has persisted longer than many expected, pushing oil prices up further.
And today, I want to talk about how businesses and households have been adapting and I want to talk about what that has meant for the Canadian economy. Then I'll discuss recent developments, both their near-term impact on growth and inflation and the risks to the outlook. And finally, I'll explain how the Bank of Canada is thinking about these risks as we work to keep inflation low, stable, and predictable for Canadians.
I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that Canada has gone through several stages of grief over the death of open trade with the United States. We've moved through some combination of shock, denial, and anger to coping and responding.
Businesses are facing a similar adjustment process as they confront major structural forces. And broadly speaking, I see three stages. First, businesses reassess. They need to understand what has changed and what it means for them. How big is the shock? Will it intensify or will it fade? How will it affect demand, cost, competitiveness? In this initial stage, they're asking questions more than taking action. And that pause in decision-making can slow economic growth. That's part of the reason why the economy in Canada stalled in 2025 and early 2026.
The second stage is adapting. Businesses start making practical adjustments. They look for new suppliers, new ways to meet customer needs. They experiment with new tools and technologies. These changes can happen relatively quickly. They're often reversible and they can get production and the economy moving again.
But while adaptation restores activity, the third stage, transformational change, is what raises productivity and expands the economy's capacity to grow without creating inflationary pressures. Businesses develop new products and invest in new technologies and new markets. Workers move into expanding industries. Governments help workers transition and support growth by building infrastructure and easing regulatory burdens.
Now, all these decisions, yes, they take longer and they're harder to reverse, but they are essential to higher incomes, improved affordability, and greater resilience over the long run.
I want to focus for a few minutes on this second stage, adaptation, because this is where we've begun to see more evidence that Canadian businesses and households are responding to the current challenges and that has helped the economy recover.
I'll start with how businesses are adapting to the shift in the Canada-US trade relationship. Since the trade conflict began in 2025, businesses have had to navigate tariffs, retaliatory measures, and a lot of unpredictability. Canada's auto, steel, and aluminum sectors have been particularly hard hit, and the recent breakdown of negotiations extended steep tariffs to yet more businesses.
But there is growing evidence that many Canadian businesses have started to adapt. Non-energy exports rose 14.5% in the second quarter, reaching their highest level since early 2025, and the gains were broad-based across export categories. While some temporary factors boosted quarterly growth, our surveys and outreach suggest the rebound reflected deliberate business decisions. Businesses are reducing their exposure to tariffs. They're adjusting supply chains and they're changing sourcing strategies.
Exporters are also looking beyond the United States. For the most part, that has so far meant expanding relationships with existing overseas customers rather than entering entirely new markets. Let's face it, diversification is not easy. And our geography suggests that the United States will remain Canada's largest trading partner. But Canadian businesses are building resilience by broadening their options.
The labor market tells a similar story. While sectors relying on exports to the United States have had it tougher than others through 2025, businesses slowed hiring rather than cutting jobs. So far this year, private sector hiring has strengthened and the unemployment rate has edged down.
The second force reshaping Canada's economy is artificial intelligence. I'm sure you're feeling like it's everywhere. Businesses see AI as a way to improve service, reduce costs, and increase productivity. As firms adapt to AI, most are not transforming their business overnight. They're using AI to automate routine tasks and to work more efficiently. Most are still in the early stages of experimenting with AI. It will take time for bigger productivity gains to materialize as businesses integrate AI tools and redesign their processes.
Adoption though is spreading quickly. Statistics Canada reported in the spring of 2026 that almost one in five Canadian businesses had used AI to produce goods or deliver services in the last 12 months. That's roughly triple the share reported two years earlier.
For their part, workers are increasingly using AI tools in their jobs. They're using AI to write, plan, analyze information. We're all doing it, and it's freeing up time for us to focus on higher value work. But many do worry that instead of helping them, AI could replace them.
We're also seeing businesses adjust their hiring. But those adopting AI tend to change the skills they look for rather than reduce headcount. While we're not seeing broad-based job losses, recent data show that job finding rates have fallen in occupations that are more exposed to AI. As my colleague, Deputy Governor Michelle Alexopoulos noted earlier this year, past waves of innovation have generally created more jobs than they eliminated. But that doesn't mean transitions are easy.
A third force reshaping the economic landscape is demographic change. Slower population growth and an aging population are changing labor supply and consumer demand. The bank expects that growth in the labor force, the number of people working or looking for work, will be close to zero over the next few years.
So, how do we cope with all this? Well, adaptation is a start, but raising productivity ultimately depends on investment and transformative change. Despite the uncertainty we're facing, business investment rose at an annualized rate of almost 9% in the second quarter. Businesses tell us they are looking for ways to improve productivity, integrate AI, and broaden their customer base.
More than two-thirds of Canadian exporters say they plan to expand into new markets over the next two years. And many are now looking beyond the United States to Europe and Asia Pacific. That points to something more fundamental than adaptation alone.
Governments have an important role to play too. They help create the conditions for businesses to invest, innovate, and grow. They can also help workers in disrupted industries develop new skills and move into expanding sectors of the economy. They can reduce licensing and permitting barriers.
Well, we're already seeing greater emphasis on energy systems and transportation networks to improve how goods move within Canada and beyond. Efforts are underway to strengthen Canada's internal market and reduce some of the many barriers to trade within the country. And new trade agreements will open additional markets for Canadian exporters.
These investments will take time to bear fruit. But over time, they will expand the economy's productive capacity. Taken together, these developments suggest the economy entered the summer in a stronger position. Growth had resumed, investment was picking up, and companies were beginning to look beyond the headwinds to the opportunities.
But now, two important developments are clouding the outlook. The first is the breakdown in trade negotiations and the imposition of new tariffs. The second is the persistence of the conflict in the Middle East. How much these affect the economy will depend on how events unfold and how Canadians adapt.
If these new US tariffs remain in place, they will hit affected sectors hard. Unfortunately, there is no question about that. But when we look at the overall economy, we don't expect a large direct impact. The affected products represent about 5% of Canada's goods exports to the United States and federal government support programs should mitigate some of the harm.
But it's the unpredictability. The unpredictability of US trade policy has increased uncertainty for everyone. Businesses have spent the past year adapting to higher tariffs and now the situation is changing again. The latest escalation could once again cause businesses to delay investment and hiring decisions, pushing some businesses back to the reassessment stage. This would set back the progress we've seen and restrain growth. And because a weaker economy puts downward pressure on inflation, it would affect the inflation outlook as well. If these new tariffs remain in place, growth could be roughly halved in the fourth quarter to below 1%.
The conflict in the Middle East presents a different challenge. Back in July, when we released our monetary policy report, the conflict was expected to ease and supply disruptions to gradually normalize. Instead, key shipping routes remain disrupted and refineries have been damaged. Under normal circumstances, every 10% increase in oil prices adds about 0.2% to CPI inflation. But this time, the effects go beyond the price of crude oil, something you're living here in Nova Scotia. Damage to global refining capacity has pushed up the cost of gasoline and diesel further. As a result, fuel prices have risen more than we'd normally expect given the increase in oil prices. In fact, recent gasoline prices have been more consistent with an oil price almost $40 higher than where it has been.
Nova Scotians, Canadians, they see the consequences every day, every time they go to the gas station. Businesses see it in elevated transportation and distribution costs. And for the economy as a whole, it's keeping inflation higher than we expected. CPI inflation has remained around 3% in recent months, largely because of these higher fuel costs.
As things stand now, if oil prices stay near $100 per barrel, we would expect inflation to edge up in coming months. The bank has been looking through the direct impact of higher oil prices on inflation because so far we haven't seen a lot of evidence that these higher costs are spreading to other goods and services. But we're watching closely.
With the conflict ongoing and shipments from the Middle East still curtailed, the risk that inflation broadens and becomes more persistent has increased. In addition, Canadian counter tariffs could add costs for some businesses and eventually feed into consumer prices. The counter tariffs primarily target non-consumer goods that can be replaced with Canadian substitutes. As a result, we expect their impact on inflation will be relatively modest.
We're also seeing the Middle East conflict being reflected in global financial markets. Several factors are pushing global yields higher. Governments and businesses have increased borrowing which is pushing up longer-term yields. And at the same time, higher oil prices and inflation mean markets are increasingly expecting major central banks to raise their policy rate. That's pushing up short-term yields. While Canadian yields remain below those in the United States, bond yields have risen here, too.
So, taken together, these developments are pulling the economy in different directions. Trade uncertainty will weigh on demand. Higher energy prices will keep inflation up. One creates downside risk to growth. The other creates upside risks to inflation. And both arrive at a time when many Canadians are still seeing the effects of past price increases. Even though inflation was around the 2% target for more than a year before the war in Iran broke out and energy prices increased, the price of most goods and services did not come down. That has left many feeling an affordability squeeze. We hear about this in our conversations across the country.
That brings me to the bank's role and how we're assessing the impact of these developments on growth and inflation. We can do the math. Higher oil prices mean higher gasoline prices together with elevated refinery margins. That will push headline inflation higher than we expected a few months ago. Much of this is already locked in. We can also estimate the direct effects of tariffs on growth and prices.
But because monetary policy works with a lag, we need to look beyond the immediate arithmetic. Will these effects prove temporary or persistent? Do higher energy prices raise inflation for just a few more months? Or does inflation stay too high, requiring us to raise our policy interest rate to contain it? How much will new US trade actions and increased uncertainty weigh on growth and employment? And how much will that dampen inflationary pressures?
To answer these questions, we need to look beyond the initial shock. Higher energy prices don't just affect what Canadians pay at the pump. They also raise costs for businesses. Those businesses then have to decide whether to absorb those costs or to pass them on. And if they pass them on, will those price increases spread more broadly through the economy, fueling ongoing inflation? Will higher inflation push up households' longer-term inflation expectations, making it easier for businesses to continue to raise prices? How businesses and households respond will influence how inflation evolves beyond the next few months.
Growth and inflation in the quarters ahead will also depend on the Canada-US trade relationship. There are sound economic reasons for the United States to reduce tariffs and restore certainty. The integrated production processes that link our two economies have benefited both our countries. Indeed, Canada is the leading export market for the majority of US states.
Canadian counter tariffs are not in place because Canada wants to escalate the trade conflict. They're there to encourage a return to lower tariffs with our most important trade partner. Now, it is unlikely that Canada and the United States will return to the trade relationship that we had two years ago, but there are clear economic incentives on both sides of the border to reduce barriers and uncertainty.
Until that happens, uncertainty will weigh on investment and hiring decisions. How businesses and households respond will be an important determinant of growth. Even with the recent rebound, the economy remains in excess supply. And if growth weakens once again for several quarters, economic slack will persist, making it harder for businesses to raise prices.
Our job at the Bank of Canada is to assess where inflation is going and determine where interest rates need to be to guide inflation back to our 2% target. That means distinguishing between cyclical forces that affect demand in the short term and structural forces that change how the economy works over the longer term. It means understanding which inflationary pressures are temporary and which are likely to last.
That's why I and my colleagues on the governing council meet regularly with businesses, workers, and community leaders across the country. These conversations, like the ones I'm having here today in Halifax, help us understand how economic developments are affecting decisions on the ground.
It's also why we're investing in new analytic tools. We've developed a new forecasting model called Prima to help us distinguish between temporary inflation pressure and those that could prove more persistent. This new model will also help us manage uncertainty by making it easier to consider alternative scenarios. And we're going to use it for the first time as our primary forecasting model for our October monetary policy report.
Earlier this month, the governing council decided to leave the policy rate unchanged. We noted that inflation and growth in Canada had unfolded broadly as expected over the summer. A rebound in economic activity as businesses adapted to structural forces had put the economy on a better footing.
We also noted that developments in the Middle East and the breakdown in trade negotiations with the United States had both increased the upside risk to inflation and made Canada's growth prospects more uncertain.
Monetary policy cannot offset the effects of tariffs or the influence of global energy prices. What it can do is ensure that global developments do not jeopardize price stability in Canada. Our beacon is our 2% inflation target and we are committed to keeping inflation close to the target over time. As these risks evolve, we are prepared to adjust monetary policy as needed.
Okay, it's time for me to wrap up. Six months ago, I spoke about the structural forces reshaping Canada's economy. Today, these forces are more apparent than ever.
Over the past year, businesses and households have adapted to profound change. Their response has helped strengthen the economy, but the outlook has once again become more uncertain. Higher global oil prices and a shortage of refinery capacity will keep inflation elevated in the next few months. While the escalation in trade uncertainty will likely dampen growth.
The more difficult question is how persistent the inflationary and disinflationary forces will be. We will be assessing whether the current policy rate balances the risks to our inflation outlook. We don't want to raise our policy rate and restrain growth if inflationary pressures are contained, but nor do we want to be too slow to respond if inflationary pressures are becoming more persistent.
Uncertainty makes decisions harder, but as we have seen over the past year, businesses are adapting and so are we. We are consulting more with Canadian businesses and households and we are improving our economic models to better capture supply disturbances and manage uncertainty.
We are all operating in a world where structural change, geopolitical fragmentation and supply disruptions are becoming more common. Through all this, the bank's objective has not changed. We remain focused on keeping inflation low, stable, and predictable in an uncertain world. That's one of the most important contributions we can make to the overall well-being of Canadians. Thank you very much.
Moderator 25:09 ↗
Thank you. Please join me in once again thanking Governor Tiff Macklem for his insights today.
Well, this is the funnest part. Now, Governor Macklem, you've started and concluded your remarks talking about adaptation. What is your sense of how well we're adapting here in our region and specifically Nova Scotia?
Tiff Macklem 25:36 ↗
Sure. A couple of comments. You know, we talk to businesses across the country. We have five regional offices. We have one here in Halifax. Sarah Miller, our regional representative, is right here. So you can feed intelligence to Sarah and be confident it's going to get to us in Ottawa. And when Sarah and her colleagues talk to businesses, increasingly we're hearing stories, you know, seafood producers looking to develop new markets in Asia Pacific, fruit growers looking to expand markets in Mexico and in Asia, manufacturers spending more time and putting more effort in developing markets in Europe.
And the other thing which you know, everybody in this room is probably closer to than I am. I mean, we're seeing, you know, if you look at the economy in the region, we're seeing more investment. There are big opportunities. You've seen big opportunities in shipbuilding, the icebreakers, the destroyers. And more broadly, you know, that is creating opportunities in dual-purpose technologies that both businesses and military can use. So we are starting to see those investments in the data. We're also seeing investments in energy systems. And really, I think the message here is those are exactly the kind of adaptation, the beginnings of transformative structural change that we want to see.
It is going to take though a sustained effort. It's going to take, you know, a multi-year commitment by governments. It's going to take a multi-year investment plan by businesses. And you know, putting on, you mentioned before I was governor I was dean of the Rotman School of Management, and putting on my business school dean hat, I mean one thing I can tell you is I'm sure every business in this room, you feel like you're running faster than you've ever run before. And that's true. Just remember your competitors are running faster and innovating more than they've ever done before too. So yeah, competition is relentless.
Moderator 28:03 ↗
Now Canada is a large, complex and diverse country. So the economic conditions are not felt equally across regions. Housing prices and the trade disruptions, oil prices for example, they can have very different impacts depending on the local industrial bases and economic conditions. How does the Bank of Canada consider these regional variations in your actions?
Tiff Macklem 28:28 ↗
Well, you know, we are fortunate in Canada. We have a vast and amazing country. And you know, just to give you one little example, I'm here today and I've got some meetings this afternoon and this evening. Tomorrow morning I'm getting on a plane and I'm flying to Yellowknife. That's eight hours of flying time, not to mention the changing the flight time. It's a big country. Do you know how far you can get in the world on eight hours of flight? And that's a great thing about Canada. But yes, you know, that means we've got, you know, there's different economies, different industrial structures across the country.
You know, let me say two things. First is even though there are important differences across the country, there's also a lot of things in common. You know, everywhere across the country is dealing with new US tariffs, trade uncertainty. Everywhere across the country is dealing with higher gasoline, higher diesel prices. Everywhere across the country is dealing with new energy demands. Housing affordability is an issue across the country.
But you know, exactly what it looks like in each region can be a little different. So you know, I talked a lot today about the impact of US tariffs and higher global energy prices. So take this region now. You know, you're less exposed to US tariffs in Nova Scotia than some other provinces like Ontario and Quebec. And partly as a result, growth in this region has been better. Your unemployment rate is actually below pre-COVID levels. It's actually below the national average. You know, yes, some industries, certainly pine products have been hit hard. Seafood was hit hard by Chinese tariffs. Fortunately, those have been rolled back. So it's not like you're immune, but the tariffs here have not been as big an issue as in some other parts of the country.
On the other hand, the energy price shock is tougher for consumers in this region. Heating, in addition to filling your car at the gas pump, many Nova Scotians heat their house with oil. So the impact on inflation has been higher. You know, inflation on a national basis, inflation's 3%, it's about 5% here. So, you know, consumers are being hit harder by the energy shock here. It's really important for us at the Bank of Canada to understand what's going on across the country. We can't simply look at the national average and understand what's going on in the economy or what's happening to people across the country. But, you know, at the end of the day, we have one monetary policy for the whole country. We don't have a different interest rate for Nova Scotia, Ontario, and Quebec. We have one policy rate for the whole country. But as I said, to understand where the economy is headed, to understand the momentum, understand the challenges, we do need to look one region at a time.
Moderator 31:41 ↗
Thank you. Now shifting gears a little bit. In March 2024 we were very pleased to host your colleague Senior Deputy Governor Carolyn Rogers for her widely covered break the glass speech in which she sounded the alarm on Canada's productivity emergency. And in fact, this was the inspiration for Halifax Partnership's productivity puzzle series that we launched following the deputy governor's speech and a shout out to our chief economist Ian Monroe at Halifax Partnership and our team for leading that initiative with the deputy governor's inspiration. So now here we are two and a half years later and what is the Bank of Canada's current view on our productivity situation? Have we made any progress and does the term emergency still apply?
Tiff Macklem 32:26 ↗
Yes, the short answer is yes. The productivity imperative is more
Important. It is more urgent than ever. Having said that, we have made some progress. But the imperative, the challenge has also increased. So let me expand on both those. So we have made some progress. And we are starting to see it in the data. And you know, if we carry through on the momentum, the plans that are underway, we think we will see more in the data. We will see more productivity growth in the data. I mean, businesses are increasingly using AI. AI is a general purpose technology. You know, we don't have, we are not the center, even though actually many of the AI advances were invented in this country, we don't have the AI tech companies that are leading the world. But really, the real value of AI is in its deployment in every business, and that is beginning to happen in Canada. And we think that will actually pick up momentum. We are seeing an increase in investment in AI. We're seeing, you can see this in our imports. You saw a big surge in imports of computer equipment, peripherals. You can see it in the investment numbers. And I'm sure you know, I'm sure every one of you in this room has an AI strategy for your company. And you're thinking of use cases, you're thinking of applications. Certainly every business I talk to says, you know, they're in the early stages. But we're going to see more over the next couple years. So I think, you know, I think we will see more. And then, you know, bringing it back to some of the things I talked about, you know, in every region you got to think, okay, what's your market, what's your product. There's certainly an opportunity around defense, but it's more than building ships. It's, you know, developing the technology for, you know, dual uses that can be used in military and in civilian. I mean, this region has a real expertise in everything to do with oceans. So yeah, and different regions have different investment opportunities. So we are seeing some positive signs, but as I said earlier, it's going to take a determined, sustained effort. This can't be, you know, a few quarters burst in investment. This has got to be, you know, this has got to be sustained. Why do I think the imperative though is bigger? Our economy is under threat. You know, our trusted trade relationship with the United States is gone. We need to be, and you know, in that environment, the best thing you can be is you got to be stronger at home. You need, and that really comes down to productivity growth. You need to grow your economy. You need to create jobs. And you have to raise productivity. We talk a lot about the affordability challenge. We can keep inflation at 2% at the Bank of Canada, and we will, but by itself that is not going to solve, that isn't going to lower prices. That's just going to keep the rate of inflation at a very low rate. If we want things to be more affordable, we have to grow our incomes. If we grow our incomes, everything becomes less expensive. Things become more affordable. To grow our incomes, we need productivity growth. So to go back to where we started, is there still an emergency? Yes, there's still an emergency. Is there progress? Yes, but the imperative has only gone up.
Moderator 36:33 ↗
Thank you. And with one last short question to go, can I do a short question? We'll see. How much does productivity affect Bank of Canada's decision making around rates? Keeping in mind, of course, that as rates go up, it might deter businesses from making productivity improvements.
Tiff Macklem 36:54 ↗
That's a good question. Yes, obviously, you know, the cost of borrowing factors into investment decisions. You know, certainly I'm sure this will resonate with you. I mean, the first thing you think about an investment decision is not the Bank of Canada's policy rate. The first thing you think about when you're looking at a business, you know, an investment opportunity is, you know, what's the expected future profits that that investment is going to yield and what's the uncertainty around that and, you know, where's my hurdle rate. Yes. You know, on the margin, the cost of borrowing to fund it will have some effect on investment, but it's not the, you know, it's not the overriding factor. You know, so that is something obviously, you know, we need to take into account as we take our decisions. But I mean, ultimately, look, we use the policy interest rate to keep inflation low and stable, and it's that sort of, that environment of predictable low inflation that, you know, that's the best thing we can do for the investment environment here in Canada. I mean, you know, some of you are old enough to remember the environment in the 1970s. Inflation was high and variable. Stock market was terrible, investment was terrible, productivity was awful. You know, when inflation is high and variable, the uncertainty that that creates is very damaging to the investment environment. So yes, there are some implications for investment, but ultimately the best thing we can do for the investment environment is create a predictable environment.
Moderator 38:40 ↗
Well, Governor, thank you so much for sharing these insights with us, for coming to Halifax, and for addressing the questions that are top of mind for business leaders and policy makers in our region. Please join me in thanking Governor Tiff Macklem. Well, thank you. So, in the room, we're going to start with Callum Smith from CTV, followed by Suzanne Rent from the Halifax Examiner, and then Devon Stevens from the Canadian Press. So, go ahead, Callum.
Callum Smith 39:08 ↗
Hello, sir. In your conclusion, you said we're all operating in a world where structural change, geopolitical fragmentation, supply disruptions are becoming more common. I just wonder how Canadians have confidence in putting down roots, whether it's buying a home, raising a family, or investing in a business, when these are the conditions that in your words are becoming more common.
Tiff Macklem 39:34 ↗
Yeah. Look, I think the short answer is it's not easy. And the, you know, the number of what economists call shocks to the economy, you know, disturbances, things that throw you off course, you know, they seem to be coming faster. At the same time, what we see though is, you know, Canadians and Canadian businesses are adapting. You know, in 2025 and into early 2026, growth in Canada effectively stalled. There was no growth. Quarter to quarter there were some fluctuations, but on average there was no growth. But as we came through the spring, we started to see some more momentum in the economy. Our exports rebounded. Businesses are adjusting to higher tariffs. They're finding ways to work around the tariffs. They're finding new suppliers. They've started to invest more. They're investing in AI. Workers are using AI. It's helping them at work. So, I mean, what we see is we see quite a bit of resilience in the economy. Consumer spending has really been the backbone of the economy over the last year. It's actually held up fairly well. The pickup in growth is really coming because households are continuing to spend, you know, not at super fast rates, but, you know, solid. And now investment's coming back and exports are coming back. So, look, I'm not going to pretend this is easy. But I do think you see resilience, you see some ingenuity. And look, the reality is I don't think this is going away anytime soon. So, I wish I, you know, I wish I had a more comforting message. But I think we got to be realistic. This isn't going away anytime soon. But people are getting on with it. People are figuring out how to move forward.
Moderator 41:38 ↗
We'll go to Suzanne.
Suzanne Rent 41:41 ↗
Great. Thank you, Governor. You talked about AI in your speech and you just mentioned it in your response to Callum, but I'm wondering how the Bank of Canada will use AI and if you have any concerns about security issues with AI.
Tiff Macklem 41:56 ↗
Well, look, I think every business should be concerned about security with AI. And we certainly have devoted considerable attention to strengthening our cyber security posture, increasing the pace of patching to make sure that, you know, to really minimize the probability of penetration, and then making sure that, you know, in the event that something does go wrong, that we are well prepared to manage it. You know, looking more on the positive side of it, how are we using AI? So I mean, give you a few examples. AI has proved, we deal with a lot of data, for example, and we get data from financial institutions. So, you know, AI is very good at finding anomalous data reporting. So usually it's some sort of mistake basically. You want, so it's very good at making sure the data is correct. Our developers are using it to accelerate coding. We have a number of use cases that we're developing within the bank. For example, in my speech today I talked about, we're developing a new model which we will start using as our main forecasting model, Prima. We are using AI to help with the adoption of that and the implementation of that model. So those are a few examples. I think like many businesses, it's still early days. You know, as a business, you know, we want to make sure we use AI responsibly. We want to make sure there's human control. We want to make sure that it's, you know, adding to our work. So, you know, those are some of the things I can say. We, you know, internally we do now have our own internal LLM that means we can put our own documents and it's always learning. And so I use it like every other Bank of Canada employee. And I have to say, it, you know, when we first started using it, it was okay but it wasn't great. It's getting a lot better as it learns. And so it is helping, I think, with everybody's personal productivity.
Moderator 44:36 ↗
We'll go to Devon.
Devin Stevens 44:39 ↗
Hello, Governor. Devin Stevens with the Canadian Press. Can you talk a little about the inflation situation you're seeing in Canada and how that compares or is different than what we're seeing in the US where they hiked rates last week?
Tiff Macklem 44:52 ↗
Yes. So there are some things in common. There are also some things that are different. So what do we have in common? Well, whether you're in Canada, the US, or really any other country, we're all dealing with higher global oil prices, together with higher, because the global refining capacity has been damaged both by the war, Ukrainian attacks of Russian refining capacity, Iranian attacks of refining capacity in the Middle East. That is, you know, oil prices are higher plus the margins on refined products are much higher than normal. So gas, and what do people actually buy? They buy gasoline, they buy diesel. So what you're actually paying is quite a bit higher. That's showing up in inflation everywhere. So you've seen, you know, in all our countries inflation has moved up. I would say so far in most of our countries we haven't seen a great deal of pass through from higher energy prices to other prices, but I think we're all concerned that the longer this goes, the more pass through we're likely to see. What's different is really the starting point. So you compare Canada and the United States. In Canada, you know, inflation post-COVID went up like everywhere else. In Canada, we got it back to 2%. It was around the 2% target for a good year and a half before it's risen again with the war in the Middle East. In the US, they never got inflation back to their 2% target. It came down and it kind of stalled and now it's moving back up. And then the other thing that's different between Canada and the United States is our economy is softer. US tariffs have certainly dented our economy. As I discussed today, it is adapting. It is starting to work through that and come back. But there's no question it dented it. The economy is in excess supply. The US is also really the center of the global AI boom. So their economy is benefiting more from the boom in AI. So our economies are in different situations and that's reflected in different policy rates. The policy rate in Canada is quite a bit below the policy rate in the United States. That reflects the different decisions and the fact that we have a flexible exchange rate. We can run a monetary policy in Canada that is geared to the situation in Canada and that's what we're going to keep doing.

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  title        = {‘...Death Of Open Trade With US’: Bank Of Canada Governor Gives Chilling Warning Amid Trump Tariffs},
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  year         = {2026},
  month        = {sep},
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