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So, what was going on in your life?
I was in a place of deep disappointment when I wrote the book.
You want to tell us about it?
If you want to see change in your life and in your world, you have to change yourself. But it's easy to say, it's hard to do.
Transformation doesn't matter if you do something big or do something small. It's just the openness that you need to have.
Well, I'm so glad to be with you here on the Oprah podcast. I'm in one of the greatest cities in the world, New York City, and you can feel the energy and the creative force here. Last summer, I read an article on medium.com because the title really caught my eye. It was called How to Create a Life You Love, No Magical Thinking Required. It's by a writer named Jason McBride. And I shared it with my team because I just really appreciated his simple and powerful message that we all have the power to design or build a life that we love, no matter the circumstances, and it's not as hard or complicated as you think it is. So, I said, I think this is a good conversation to start having for the podcast. So, I'm going to talk with Jason a little later on, but my first guest I wanted you to know has done some really bold, daring things. And she says it is never too late. And you are never too stuck. You're never too old. You're never too much or too little because as long as you live, you can always find new things to learn and new ways to find joy.
Shondaanda Scott, an award-winning entrepreneur, CEO, and thought leader who spent more than 20 years turning big ideas into action, working on major projects with companies like Uber, Comcast, BET, and Kaiser Permanente, while also creating economic opportunities in underserved communities. Some of Shondaanda's most meaningful work began with a challenge she gave herself back in 2019. For one year, try one new thing every month. Aha, that's an idea. What started as a personal experiment became a lifestyle inspiring her new book, Give Me a Year, 12 New Things to Embrace Change and Live Your Best Life. Welcome, Shondaanda. Great to meet you and have you here. I wanted to have thank you be the first words out of my mouth to you.
My mom wouldn't have it any other way that I would sit here and not thank you for using your platform and how you're doing to elevate authors, especially debut authors. That is so noble of you.
Well, you debuted in a big way. I mean, give me a year is such a bold idea. And lots of people would say, "Okay, give me a year and I'll, you know, go hike Mount Olympus or give me a year." But you had 12 new things to embrace and change your life. So, what was going on in your life? How did you come up with this idea?
I was in a place of deep disappointment when I wrote the book. I had already started this 12 new things lifestyle based on doing something new each month so you can embrace change in fun exciting ways to get you out of your comfort zone. But that was a fun social media experiment for me that I did with the premise of thinking if you want to see change in your life and in your world you have to change yourself. But that's easy to say, it's hard to do. So how do you make something hard to do fun and light? That's where the 12 new things came up from. But then when I was in this deep disappointment, I had an opportunity happen and the door closed immediately. God shut the door right away and I had done everything. I had put everything in place. It was my dream opportunity and I was excited about it. And when it got shut down, I became deeply disappointed. And writing is how I heal myself. So I thought maybe now is time to write the book.
The fact that you're using the word disappointed and not depressed because a lot of people would say I was depressed. I was depressed. I was depressed. But you recognize now that it really was your sincere, pure disappointment.
And it could have been depression if I didn't have the tools of writing. And so writing is how I heal myself.
I say deep disappointment because it was just I was sad about an opportunity, but it wasn't something life-threatening or earthshattering, but it was hard.
Want to tell us about it?
It was like my dream opportunity. I thought I wanted all my life and I put everything in place to do it and then everything had come to do the opportunity and I probably prayed God be your will or something better for me and literally the door shut and I wasn't ready for that and for me I think it shook me because at that point in my life in my career I hadn't had that level of disappointment so I wasn't expecting to feel the way I did but it kept bothering me and I kept thinking about it and a friend of mine Maya we went to dinner and talked about it and she's like you know things happens doors close and years later you will know and at the same time I'm telling her about how I'm thinking about writing this book and I tell her I decide to write the book to heal me and as I'm writing the book God tells me me sharing these stories are not only just going to heal me they're going to heal other people absolutely as well. So that's where the whole idea came for writing this book.
And you went on you went on adventures big and small over the course of a year. And what did that teach you, Shondaanda, about yourself?
It taught me that transformation doesn't matter if you do something big or do something small. It's just the openness that you need to have.
It taught me also that having these different adventures intentionally make the difference like once a month for a whole year. It gave me the intentionality to continue to pursue my dreams, to find joy even in the midst of turmoil, even in the midst of unhappiness, even in the midst of all that's going on in the world. I could create joy by doing something new and different each month.
I love that at the end of each chapter, you really have really delightful, helpful exercises. And I am a firm believer in writing things down. Maya always said that words have power. That's why she wouldn't let anybody say anything in her home that she thought was improper. Like somebody was telling a homophobic joke once I Maya Angelou came across the room. Shondaanda across the room and said be gone with you to the people in her home because she said we're and then we were all standing there shocked and she said not in my house because words have such power. I don't wake want to wake up in the morning and find one stuck in my pillow or in my curtains. And so the power of writing things down here's a good one. You write write down your dreams of what you really want to do, the changes you want to see, and in the next five years, places you'd like to visit or you've put off or put to the side.
You write about that. I'm the same with the firm believer of writing. And in the Bible, it even says, "Write it down and make it plain on tablets." Yes, it's clear that the writing is how you actually take the dreams out of your mind, put them to paper. It's like in business, writing, if it's not in writing, is not a deal. It's not a contract. So, it's a contract with yourself. But it also gives you the tools to come up with the plan on how you want to approach your dreams. I say five years because what you dream of you would do in five months is different than five years. So, five years allows you to dream big.
Yeah. And it's important to dream big as we've seen from your life and everything else in life that if you dream big, the things you can manifest can blow your mind.
Well, this is what I have found. That phrase I coined about God dreaming a dream bigger than you can ever dream for yourself. You can dream big and then surrender that dream to God's dream for you and it becomes even more massive. I saw this happen over and over and again in give me a year. Actually, this time last year, we were working on the cover of my book and thinking of the title and we came up with the title, give me a year. I think at that point in your book club, you had said this was the first time I did something new.
After 109 book club selections, I have never chosen the same book twice until now. At Carti's A New Earth, awakening to your life's purpose.
So, every time somebody does something new, I tag it to 12 new things. that's somebody doing something new. So, I took that picture, a fake copy of my book, the title that I typed out cuz we didn't have the cover yet, and put it on the in the middle of my vision board.
So, that was a case of writing it down and making it plain.
And here we are. And like I said, then God does the rest.
Yeah. And you know what happens with that? And I know we're going to talk to Jason later who said in his article that he didn't believe in vision boards, but I certainly do believe in the vision and also writing it down, making it plain clarifies for you, right, what the vision and the desire is. And what I have found is is that God meets you exactly where you are and then expands it for you.
I agree. And I agree on the vision boards. If you just write a vision board and don't do action around it and don't take accountability, well, no. But if you use it as a fun tool or creativity count then you're willing to do the work.
And the work. And this one about fears because I think so many people are controlled by their fears. You say make a list of your fears and things that make you uncomfortable. Start with one fear. Write the steps you would take to overcome it. You have to get it out. Like holding fear in your mind just locks it there. And oftentimes when you write the fear out, you look at the exercises that you want to do to overcome it. You come up with a plan, you realize what you had manifested as this big giant fear really isn't.
So what was the fear you needed to overcome?
So my fear was I don't like little bitty planes. I don't care what level of plane it is. If it's small, I don't like it. So I wanted to go to the Maldes as one of my new things.
Yeah. And you can't get there without taking a small plane.
And so I had to work myself through because one thing I'm not going to do is let my fear stop me because I know that on the other side of fear there's so many wonderful blessings. And in this case it was the Maldes. So I'm in Chanda. You're not going to let yourself get to the Maldes because now you have this fear of plains and you're supposed to be a woman of faith and you believe but you're going to let this stop you. So I didn't but I did blog about it. I did talk about it because I was scared the whole time because it's a small sea plane that goes to the small D. I thought it at least was low to sea level. I could see the sea. Not that it actually went thousands of feet in the sky. So the whole time.
I thought you you thought you were just going to be skimming the sea.
I thought I was just skimming the ski, but it worked out fine. I did it and and I've done a few other activities that have challenged me to get over my fear.
I like that you write on page 39, find your seat at the table and if there isn't one, pull one up. Or better yet, build your own table. How did you learn how to do that for yourself?
So, I'm a fourth generation entrepreneur. The first, my great-grandfather is the one we attribute to the first. He was born into slavery and then and emancipation. He became a developer and a builder in Colorado in the m Rocky Mountains. So, building is in my family. So, the whole entrepreneurial mindset is in my blood. It's in my DNA. But as a business person, a businesswoman now, I'm in rooms. I'm an we do aviation, transportation, construction, all maledominated fields. And I know the value of having a seat at the table. I know the decisions that have to be made and the voices that you bring to the table that aren't there and the importance and value of you sitting there. But then I also know that when you create the table like you do here, invite you get to invite the people, you get to decide what platform and what resources are you going to provide to people in your community and other businesses. So be my parents taught me that part of the developing a business. I watched them grow their business and vicariously you have shown me the same thing. So I'm the firm believer if I see it being done I know it can be done.
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And can you speak to because I hear this from so many women and also particularly from so many women of color feel this impostor syndrome they feel and we've addressed it several times on this podcast. I personally have trouble addressing it because I've never felt it. I felt I've always felt if God made a way for me to be there, then I'm supposed to be there. I've always felt as what Maya says in her poem to our grandmothers, I come as one, I stand as 10,000. So, I've always felt like, well, I wouldn't be here if I wasn't supposed to be here. But can you speak to that feeling that so many women in particular have about feeling like imposters?
Well, if you're at the table in the room, you're supposed to be there. And I also understand if you're at the table in the room, you're supposed to use your voice. And I don't see it any other way than if the same way you see it. That is God has brought you there. You're there for a reason. And you need to you maximize the reason why you're there. I'm very spiritual and prayerful. So I know that everything that God provides for me, every circumstances I've been in has been a blessing. Right? So when I started out in TV, there was no woman, there was no black people, there was no And so, but I thought God made a way for that. And I'm supposed to be here and you just keep going until God takes you somewhere else.
Until God takes you somewhere else. That's right. And look where he put you. So it's so wonderful. And that's how I see. So I really don't have a deep understanding of where people get the impostor syndrome from. I have the full humbleness that I know that God is working through me.
You're obviously in a maledominated field are in many rooms where there's nobody that looks like you and certainly nobody who has done what you've done who is female and also black. So a few things from my experience is that I always tell people I don't see me. I come from the inside out. Like I'm not looking at me, they're looking at me. So when I walk in the room, some of these men are just baffled how I approach them because one, they're probably not used to it. And one, I'm not seeing me. I'm just coming in and what the what the what the issues are we need to deal with. So they are kind of tickled like who is this woman? I don't I but I don't see myself. So I don't even think about how they may be thinking I'm a woman going into a male-dominated field.
Oh absolutely. I was blessed to have a five women that have done extraordinary things, my mom included, that look like me. So I grew up in a community in Oakland, California at a time where it was 50% African-American. the the my parents helped get the black mayor first black mayor elected there. There were women to see that the blessed assurance from watching it in front of you and seeing other women model it for for you that you deserve and have the right to be there.
So I'm a firm believer that seeing it, it helps other people be it. So I I absolutely attribute that's why I approach it the way I do because I saw other women that they've done extraordinary things. So I always expected that we had to do something extraordinary.
But what you've done is even been beyond extraordinary whatever we couldn't could have imagined. So it just helped reaffirm it means it can be done. It can be done.
Charlene is joining us from Miami and she has a question for Shondaanda. Charlene.
Hi. Hi, it's such an honor to join this conversation today. Um, so I am part of a huge Filipino family. Uh, we're very close and I grew up thinking that the good life meant being a good daughter, being a good um student, a good partner, a good citizen. And my parents, wonderful parents who put so much to uh raising my sister and me, showed me how to show up for others, but not how to show up for myself because they themselves didn't know how either. So, I focused on following the rules. I did well in school. I pursued a legal career. Um, I tried to make all the right decisions and meet everyone's expectations, but that wasn't fulfilling me as much as I thought it would. One of my biggest aha moments was that for most of my life, I'd been living with this deep unconscious drive to find the right answer and live by that right answer. And that right answer was always based on someone else's blueprint. And when it dawned on me that this is how I'd been living my life, like I sobbed for hours, um feeling so much grief around how I had been living my life until then. But I also felt a huge sense of relief and a profound freedom around I can live my life however I want and that's okay. And so my question is um as I continue to charter um to chart my own path and lead this beautiful life I've been designing, how do I continue doing this for myself and not allow like old patterns and behaviors um hold me back again?
Thank you. And I want to tell you congratulations because I am a recovering people pleaser and perfectionist. So, I know it wasn't easy for you to just decide that you were going to start putting you first and loving your life the way you want to do it without worrying about what other people think. That is not easy and I understand that. So, congratulations. So, it's a daily thing. Once you decide you're going to claim your life for your own and reimagine it for yourself, that doesn't just stay that way. You're renewing every day. The whole part about change is is continuing to go on. Yeah. So sometimes when the old habits come up, there are ways for you, it's an indicator for you to maybe stop and take a pause and reassess. Am I still committed to myself as I said I was when I first made this commitment? Are there some things I need to change? Am I checking in on myself? I think we need to normalize the check-ins on ourselves. I start the day with prayer. I wake up early, so I check in with God. Then I check in on me and then I check on on everybody else. But I if I do it in a way that's it's it's like brushing my teeth and washing my face. It become that I'm I become that dependent on it. Like it's part of my self-care.
Yeah. It's your daily ritual.
My daily ritual and I'm not okay if I'm not doing that. And I can actually see that 30 days after I haven't been doing it or a few days I miss I can tell like old things come up or issues I need to look at. So, I think it gives the old patterns allow you to just take a beat back and selfassess, not self-doubt, just self assess and double check to make sure you're good and make sure you're still doing the things that you committed to yourself to continue to do so that your decisions that you are making are ones based on that are best for you and you're not getting caught up in the routine of getting back into doing everything for everybody else and not yourself. So I think the selfch check should be part of a routine that we do and make it normal that that's part of like how you brush your teeth and how you wash your face. All those things were things we were trained to do. So now we just have to train oursel that it's okay to check on me too every.
To self assess and to self-reassess. And it's okay because when you know you're changing a whole story the whole story of your life which isn't an easy thing to do. And that's why we both applaud you for that because that is the most courageous thing you will ever do in your life is to dare to live the life of your dreams and not somebody else's. That's where the real courage comes in for everybody who is a seeker and on the path to fulfill the meaning of their lives. And that takes real work and the old stuff keeps coming up just to show you how far you've come. One of the things that I use in my hiking now, uh, when I'm trying to get to the top of the mountain or the top of the hill or wherever the goal is, many times I turn around and look back at how far I've come. So, you need to also assess and look at how far you've come. Look at how different you are than that girl who was a doormat for everybody else, whose opinions were influenced by everybody else's opinions. And look at how far you've come and gain strength. Cuz that's what you do when you look back at how far you've come. You see, whoa, I'm doing really better than I thought. Look at how strong I am. And that gives you strength and courage to keep moving forward. And that's what we both wish for you. Thank you so much.
