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Mark Carney
Prime Minister, Canada

Davos: Canadian PM Mark Carney speaks at World Economic Forum | Geo News English

📅 Jan 20, 2026 Geo News English and Geo News 31 MIN 178100 VIEWS 28 SEGMENTS · 2 SPEAKERS
#geonewsenglish #MarkCarney #Davos #WorldEconomicForum #Canada #globaleconomy Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney addresses world leaders at the World Economic Forum in Davos, sharing insights on global economic challenges, financial stability, climate action, and Canada’s role in international cooperation. Mark Carney Davos speech, Canadian PM at WEF, World Economic Forum Davos, Canada economy news, global economy, climate action, international cooperation, financial stability Mark Carney | Mark Carney Davos | Canadian PM Mark Carney | Davos 2026 | World Economic Forum | WEF Davos | Canad...

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  1. 19:13Isn't Canada almost uniquely vulnerable to pressure because of the extent of your trade dependence on the United States?
  2. 21:38Do you think, to put it directly, that the NATO alliance is still doing that, still pretending it's the old transatlantic partnership when it's really kind of gone?
  3. 22:57What's the defense of what you're doing and what do you hope to get out of it?
  4. 24:12And is now in this new world that really going to go into reverse and de-risking from China because there are other risks is less of a thing?
  5. 25:12I mean, I'm sure you'll speak of it, but put it this way: if there isn't an off-ramp, where does this go?
  6. 26:21And when President Trump says, oh, you know, Greenland's under threat from Russia, even from China, is that for real?
  7. 27:29Uh, I'm not sure whether it's for Gaza or for the entire world, but apparently Canada's been invited. Are you going to join?
  8. 29:14Uh, you going to write a check for that?
  9. 29:40Is globalism — first of all, is it a thing? And is it over?
Larry 0:00 ↗
Where the puck is going next in the global economy. Which makes this a fitting moment to introduce a former hockey player, the Prime Minister of Canada, Mark Carney. The ability to remain calm in fast-moving, high-pressure moments has defined Mark's career. In 2008, he led the Bank of Canada and helped steer his economy through the worst market turmoil in all our lives, in our generation. In the aftermath of Brexit, he became the first non-Brit to serve as a governor of the Bank of England. And last year, he was elected very deservingly as Prime Minister for Canada, at what may be one of the most pivotal moments in modern Canadian history. Today, Prime Minister Carney is focused on making Canada a place where it's easier to build, simpler to trade, smarter to invest in, and build more unity across its nation. For 41 million Canadians, the world's 10th largest economy, he is a steady and thoughtful leader, and I am proud to call him a friend. Please join me in welcoming Prime Minister of Canada, Mark Carney.
Mark Carney 1:44 ↗
Thank you very much. Uh, Larry, I'm going to start in French and then I'll switch back to English. Uh, merci Larry. Thank you, Larry. It is both a pleasure and a duty to be with you tonight in this pivotal moment that Canada and the world are going through. Today I will talk about a rupture in the world order, the end of a pleasant fiction and the beginning of a harsh reality where geopolitics, where the large main power geopolitics is submitted to no limits, no constraints. On the other hand, I would like to tell you that the other countries, especially intermediate powers like Canada, are not powerless. They have the capacity to build a new order that encompasses our values such as respect for human rights, sustainable development, solidarity, sovereignty and territorial integrity of the various states. The power of the less powerful starts with honesty.
It seems that every day we're reminded that we live in an era of great power rivalry, that the rules-based order is fading, that the strong can do what they can and the weak must suffer what they must. And this aphorism of Thucydides is presented as inevitable, as the natural logic of international relations reasserting itself. And faced with this logic, there is a strong tendency for countries to go along to get along, to accommodate, to avoid trouble, to hope that compliance will buy safety. Well, it won't. So, what are our options? In 1978, the Czech dissident Václav Havel, later president, wrote an essay called The Power of the Powerless. And in it, he asked a simple question. How did the communist system sustain itself? And his answer began with a greengrocer. Every morning, this shopkeeper places a sign in his window, 'Workers of the world unite.' He doesn't believe it. No one does. But he places the sign anyway to avoid trouble, to signal compliance, to get along. And because every shopkeeper on every street does the same, the system persists, not through violence alone, but through the participation of ordinary people in rituals they privately know to be false. Havel called this living within a lie. The system's power comes not from its truth, but from everyone's willingness to perform as if it were true. And its fragility comes from the same source. When even one person stops performing, when the greengrocer removes his sign, the illusion begins to crack. Friends, it is time for companies and countries to take their signs down.
For decades, countries like Canada prospered under what we called the rules-based international order. We joined its institutions. We praised its principles. We benefited from its predictability. And because of that, we could pursue values-based foreign policies under its protection. We knew the story of the international rules-based order was partially false. That the strongest would exempt themselves when convenient. That trade rules were enforced asymmetrically. And we knew that international law applied with varying rigor depending on the identity of the accused or the victim. This fiction was useful, and American hegemony in particular helped provide public goods: open sea lanes, a stable financial system, collective security, and support for frameworks for resolving disputes. So, we placed the sign in the window. We participated in the rituals, and we largely avoided calling out the gaps between rhetoric and reality. This bargain no longer works. Let me be direct. We are in the midst of a rupture, not a transition. Over the past two decades, a series of crises in finance, health, energy, and geopolitics have laid bare the risks of extreme global integration. But more recently, great powers have begun using economic integration as weapons, tariffs as leverage, financial infrastructure as coercion, supply chains as vulnerabilities to be exploited. You cannot live within the lie of mutual benefit through integration. When integration becomes the source of your subordination, the multilateral institutions on which the middle powers have relied — the WTO, the UN, the COP, the very architecture of collective problem solving — are under threat. And as a result, many countries are drawing the same conclusions: that they must develop greater strategic autonomy in energy, food, critical minerals, in finance and supply chains. And this impulse is understandable. A country that can't feed itself, fuel itself, or defend itself has few options. When the rules no longer protect you, you must protect yourself. But let's be clear-eyed about where this leads. A world of fortresses will be poorer, more fragile, and less sustainable. And there's another truth. If great powers abandon even the pretense of rules and values for the unhindered pursuit of their power and interests, the gains from transactionalism will become harder to replicate. Hegemons cannot continually monetize their relationships. Allies will diversify to hedge against uncertainty. They'll buy insurance, increase options in order to rebuild sovereignty. Sovereignty that was once grounded in rules, but will increasingly be anchored in the ability to withstand pressure. This room knows this is classic risk management. Risk management comes at a price. But that cost of strategic autonomy, of sovereignty, can also be shared. Collective investments in resilience are cheaper than everyone building their own fortresses. Shared standards reduce fragmentation. Complementarities are positive. So the question for middle powers like Canada is not whether to adapt to the new reality. We must. The question is whether we adapt by simply building higher walls or whether we can do something more ambitious.
Now Canada was amongst the first to hear the wake-up call, leading us to fundamentally shift our strategic posture. Canadians know that our old comfortable assumptions — that our geography and alliance memberships automatically conferred prosperity and security — that assumption is no longer valid. And our new approach rests on what Alexander Stubb, the president of Finland, has termed value-based realism. Or to put it another way, we aim to be both principled and pragmatic. Principled in our commitment to fundamental values: sovereignty, territorial integrity, the prohibition of the use of force except when consistent with the UN Charter, and respect for human rights. And pragmatic in recognizing that progress is often incremental, that interests diverge, that not every partner will share all of our values. So, we're engaging broadly, strategically, with open eyes. We actively take on the world as it is, not wait around for a world we wish to be. We are calibrating our relationships so their depth reflects our values. And we're prioritizing broad engagement to maximize our influence given the fluidity of the world at the moment, the risks that this poses and the stakes for what comes next. And we are no longer just relying on the strength of our values, but also the value of our strength. We are building that strength at home. Since my government took office, we have cut taxes on incomes, on capital gains and business investment. We have removed all federal barriers to interprovincial trade. We are fast-tracking a trillion dollars of investments in energy, AI, critical minerals, new trade corridors, and beyond. We're doubling our defense spending by the end of this decade and we're doing so in ways that build our domestic industries. And we are rapidly diversifying abroad. We've agreed a comprehensive strategic partnership with the EU, including joining SAFE, the European defense procurement arrangements. We have signed 12 other trade and security deals on four continents in six months. In the past few days, we've concluded new strategic partnerships with China and Qatar. We're negotiating free trade pacts with India, ASEAN, Thailand, the Philippines, and Mercosur. We're doing something else to help solve global problems. We're pursuing variable geometry. In other words, different coalitions for different issues based on common values and interests. So on Ukraine, we're a core member of the coalition of the willing and one of the largest per capita contributors to its defense and security. On Arctic sovereignty, we stand firmly with Greenland and Denmark and fully support their unique right to determine Greenland's future. Our commitment to NATO's Article 5 is unwavering. So, we're working with our NATO allies, including the Nordic-Baltic Eight, to further secure the alliance's northern and western flanks, including through Canada's unprecedented investments in over-the-horizon radar, in submarines, in aircraft, and boots on the ground — boots on the ice. Canada strongly opposes tariffs over Greenland and calls for focused talks to achieve our shared objectives of security and prosperity in the Arctic. On plurilateral trade, we're championing efforts to build a bridge between the Trans-Pacific Partnership and the European Union, which would create a new trading bloc of 1.5 billion people. On critical minerals, we're forming buyers' clubs anchored in the G7 so that the world can diversify away from concentrated supply. And on AI, we're cooperating with like-minded democracies to ensure that we won't ultimately be forced to choose between hegemons and hyperscalers. This is not naive multilateralism, nor is it relying on their institutions. It's building coalitions that work issue by issue with partners who share enough common ground to act together. In some cases, this will be the vast majority of nations. What it's doing is creating a dense web of connections across trade, investment, culture, on which we can draw for future challenges and opportunities.
I argue that middle powers must act together because if we're not at the table, we're on the menu. But I'd also say that great powers can afford for now to go it alone. They have the market size, the military capacity, and the leverage to dictate terms. Middle powers do not. But when we only negotiate bilaterally with a hegemon, we negotiate from weakness. We accept what's offered. We compete with each other to be the most accommodating. This is not sovereignty. It's the performance of sovereignty while accepting subordination. In a world of great power rivalry, the countries in between have a choice: compete with each other for favor, or to combine to create a third path with impact. We shouldn't allow the rise of hard power to blind us to the fact that the power of legitimacy, integrity, and rules will remain strong if we choose to wield them together. Which brings me back to Havel. What does it mean for middle powers to live the truth? First, it means naming reality. Stop invoking the rules-based international order as though it still functions as advertised. Call it what it is: a system of intensifying great power rivalry where the most powerful pursue their interests using economic integration as coercion. It means acting consistently, applying the same standards to allies and rivals. When middle powers criticize economic intimidation from one direction but stay silent when it comes from another, we are keeping the sign in the window. It means building what we claim to believe in rather than waiting for the old order to be restored. It means creating institutions and agreements that function as described. And it means reducing the leverage that enables coercion. That's building a strong domestic economy, which should be every government's immediate priority. And diversification internationally is not just economic prudence. It's a material foundation for honest foreign policy because countries earn the right to principled stands by reducing their vulnerability to retaliation.
So Canada has what the world wants. We are an energy superpower. We hold vast reserves of critical minerals. We have the most educated population in the world. Our pension funds are amongst the world's largest and most sophisticated investors. In other words, we have capital, talent. We also have a government with immense fiscal capacity to act decisively. And we have the values to which many others aspire. Canada is a pluralistic society that works. Our public square is loud, diverse, and free. Canadians remain committed to sustainability. We are a stable and reliable partner in a world that is anything but. A partner that builds and values relationships for the long term. And we have something else. We have a recognition of what's happening and a determination to act accordingly. We understand that this rupture calls for more than adaptation. It calls for honesty about the world as it is. We are taking the sign out of the window. We know the old order is not coming back. We shouldn't mourn it. Nostalgia is not a strategy. But we believe that from the fracture, we can build something bigger, better, stronger, more just. This is the task of the middle powers, the countries that have the most to lose from a world of fortresses and the most to gain from genuine cooperation. The powerful have their power, but we have something too: the capacity to stop pretending, to name reality, to build our strength at home, and to act together. That is Canada's path. We choose it openly and confidently, and it is a path wide open to any country willing to take it with us. Thank you very much.
Larry 19:13 ↗
Well, thank you, Prime Minister. Um, I don't think I've seen many standing ovations at Davos, so uh that was that was interesting. Um, you said there was a phrase in your speech where you said sovereignty now is the ability to withstand pressure. Isn't Canada almost uniquely vulnerable to pressure because of the extent of your trade dependence on the United States?
Mark Carney 19:34 ↗
Well, the proof is that we have been able to withstand the pressure and there has been considerable pressure. Uh, I'll give you a couple of facts. We've actually created more jobs since the tariffs were put on than the United States in absolute number. Uh, economy is growing at the second fastest rate within the G7. Uh, that's not to say there are pockets of extreme pressure without question in Canada. Uh, but headline, we're reacting. The second thing, and it's a fundamental point, is the recognition that we can give ourselves far more than any foreign country can take away. Uh, there's lots of efficiencies in having one Canadian market, the trillion dollars of domestic investment and building these partnerships abroad. Uh, all of which are bigger returns than what's been lost. That's not to say we would rather not lose it, but we can withstand the pressure and we are.
Larry 20:28 ↗
And I was interested that you said basically the old world's not coming back. So you're not seeing this as a period where you just have to get through to a normal return.
Mark Carney 20:37 ↗
I think that is our view. Um, and we regret it, but we're not going to sit around and mourn it. We're acting, um, and we're acting in a way both that's in our interests, but we believe in a way with others that's building imperfectly in steps a new system. I'll give you one example and hand back, which is, um, we are members of trade agreements that comprise already 1.4 billion people around the world. So we have the most extensive network. We are trying with others to bring some of those networks together. The most prominent example is the Trans-Pacific Partnership and the EU acting as a bridge. It's not a direct benefit for Canada, but it is a benefit for Canada that these groups come together, uh, and go is here consistent with the WTO rules, both of which are. And in that way we're building back out amongst willing partners.
Larry 21:38 ↗
And you talked about the need not to put the sign in the window anymore, to pretend that things are still the same. Do you think, to put it directly, that the NATO alliance is still doing that, still pretending it's the old transatlantic partnership when it's really kind of gone?
Mark Carney 21:55 ↗
Well, uh, I think clearly NATO is experiencing a test right now. Uh, and the first response to that test has to be to respond in a way that ensures the security of the Arctic in a robust way for all possibilities. This is actually a point that we have been making in recent years. It's a point that I made at the NATO summit back in June, which seemed like a pledging summit but also was to get NATO policies in the right direction. So I think in the immediate term one of the imperatives is to reinforce things that Canada is doing, Nordic-Baltic Eight are doing, uh, the UK are doing, other NATO partners, France included, in a comprehensive way that provides much greater security in the Arctic. That's this is the test. And so I wouldn't say the NATO sign stays in the window, but we've got to meet the moment of that.
Larry 22:57 ↗
You also, a big theme of your speech was the need for middle powers to work together, but you've just been to the other great power, China. And I think people were very intrigued by seeing that meeting and some people say kind of that's a mistake really because, you know, you're going to make yourself more dependent on China. They're not that benign either. Um, the US will be very annoyed. What's the defense of what you're doing and what do you hope to get out of it?
Mark Carney 23:24 ↗
Uh, well, the first thing is to say it's not a defense. It's an — I know the way you frame the question, but it's offense. Um, it's building out. It's something positive as opposed to against. We're for something as opposed to being against. The second is there are very clear guardrails in that relationship. I spoke of calibration of relationships in my remarks. That's what I mean by it. Um, but within those clear guardrails are huge opportunities in energy, both clean and conventional, uh, obviously in motor vehicles, in agriculture, in financial services, all of which is mutually beneficial. So it's additive and I look — it's the second largest economy and it's our second largest trading partner. We should have a strategic partnership with them within those guardrails and that's what we've achieved.
Larry 24:12 ↗
And it is an interesting reversal though because I think certainly during the Biden administration there was this sense that the western world was trying to decouple from China or de-risk at least. And is now in this new world that really going to go into reverse and de-risking from China because there are other risks is less of a thing?

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