Welcome to Sorcery.
The potential of photonics, the technology to interconnect these GPUs, global payroll and HR platform, 8 billion operational data points, scaleups over startups. You'd rather have a million of something and one of anything. Building the intelligence layer through defense. There isn't enough power. There's not enough memory chips. We're at the end of physics of what we can still do.
Welcome to Sorcery. We're here at the Strike Summit. How's it going?
Thank you so much for having me. Everything is going well, and then like, you know, I love — so far I have been loving Monaco.
Yeah. So, we're going to talk with you about sales and growth. For people who don't know Deel, I'd be very surprised if you don't. They're crushing it, if not killing it. So, Deel is a 17.3 billion company. They most recently surpassed 1.5 billion in ARR.
Xu is the CRO of that. So, she's handling all the sales and building the teams around it. So Deel went from 1 million in sales to 100 million in 20 months. Then they went from 100 million to a billion in ARR in five years. So Xu —
In three years. Revise that one.
From 100 million to 1 billion within three years. Yeah. Okay. Correction. So how did you scale from 100 million to a billion in three years?
For a little bit of background and info about Deel. Deel is a global payroll and HR platform, and then we help companies to hire, manage, pay talents globally, and we're live in 160 different countries. So that means for every single country we have our own entity, we have our own compliance team, payroll team, taxes, legal, everything, and we build automation and then products in-house. So that means like, you know, we automatically have a huge TAM, right? And then within that huge TAM, theoretically everyone can be paid on Deel, and then we just grow very fast because of the market, and also we are global since day one, and it is very different from a lot of the Silicon Valley companies that you focus on one country and you do it very well and you expand. So we can like, you know, build a global team very, very early on. Yeah.
What was your decision to go global on day one and not just dominate one market?
I think it is from the founders, right? And then also like, you know, the product itself. Alex, my co-founder, and myself were very international. I was born and raised in China and moved to the States at the age of 16, and Alex is French, and then he moved to the States at the age of 19. And then just from our background we realized that like, you know, the world is a very big place, and then there are many, many like, you know, great talents from every single country out there, and then it is not only like, you know, a concentration of one city. And then we want to build a system where we want to build a product to empower everyone to be able to find the best job that they can regardless of their location. Yeah.
I know you have some big customers. Are you able to name some of them?
Uh, yeah, like, you know, I know here ElevenLabs, right? European company doing extremely well. They're running everything on Deel, and we have AI companies, we have retail brands like Chanel, Hermès are all Deel clients. And what are some other companies?
Sorcery. Yeah, yeah, of course. And a lot of like — we work with a lot of banks as well, and venture capitalists as well.
So I have known her for a while. I recently recorded with her at the Hill and Valley Forum in DC. It's like a — for those who don't know, it's kind of like a defense tech bipartisan conference, and I was asking everyone their hottest take. I asked David Friedberg what his hottest take was. It went completely viral. We asked Xu what her hottest take was, and it was probably the hottest, most honest take in the room. Xu, what was your hot take?
My hot take back then was that I think people need to sell more. Yeah. People are not hustling enough, and then people are not like, you know, trying their best to get revenue or get clients.