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Kevin Gordon
Head of Macro Research and Strategy, Schwab Center for Financial Research, Charles Schwab Corporation

The 'Illusion of Calm' in Markets

📅 Jul 30, 2026 Schwab Network 8 MIN 14165 VIEWS 10 SEGMENTS · 2 SPEAKERS
Kevin Gordon of ‪@CharlesSchwab‬ says the lack of movement in cap-weighted indexes is masking major moves beneath the surface, with a breakdown in momentum and a rotation away from megacaps and semiconductors. Gordon says the fact that the market has held up is a positive sign and also analyzes the bond market's reaction to this week's FOMC meeting. ======== Schwab Network ======== Empowering every investor and trader, every market day. Subscribe to the Market Minute newsletter - https://schwabnetwork.com/subscribe Download the iOS app - https://apps.apple.com/us/app/schwab-... Download the...

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Kevin Gordon, head of macro research and strategy at Schwab Center for Financial Research, explained that the cap-weighted S&P 500's flatness masks significant underlying carnage, especially in megacap tech and semiconductors. He noted a 45% drawdown in high-beta momentum, similar to 2021, while the index remains unchanged. Gordon argued that breadth, measured by the share of companies above their 200-day moving average, remains healthy, suggesting a better gauge than market cap concentration. Regarding Fed policy, he highlighted uncertainty about Chair Warsh's framework and emphasized that two months of data before the next decision could lead to a September rate hike if inflation persists and labor stays resilient. On AI infrastructure, Gordon said correlation between hyperscalers and chip names has not recovered, and CapEx/free-cash-flow concerns are typical but more aggressive this time.

Key takeaways

  1. The cap-weighted S&P 500's calm is an illusion; megacap tech and semiconductors are in a severe correction.
  2. High-beta momentum is down nearly 45%, similar to the 2021 breakdown before the 2022 bear market.
  3. A September rate hike is likely if inflation comes back and the labor market stays resilient.
  4. Breadth, not market cap concentration, is the key metric; the share of stocks above their 200-day moving average is still healthy.

Numbers and commitments

FigureWhat it refers toTypeAt
45% Drawdown in high-beta momentum factor metric 0:28
40% Share of S&P 500 market cap held by top ten companies metric 2:26

Chapters

  1. 0:00The Illusion of Calm in Markets
  2. 1:44Concentration Risk and Market Breadth
  3. 3:43Fed Policy and Inflation Outlook
  4. 5:26CapEx, Free Cash Flow, and AI Trade
  5. 6:18Final Thoughts on Correlations

Questions asked in this interview

3
  1. 1:44Do we need to go back to the concentrated market, or do there just need to be new sources of money coming into the market that we're just not seeing over the last couple of months?
  2. 3:43What do you make of yesterday and where you see things going?
  3. 5:26Is there a world in your mind, in the near term, where these hyperscaler companies, I guess we could call them, and the AI infrastructure names, can be correlated as opposed to be inversely correlated like they have been?
Host 0:01 ↗
Guidance for the current quarter. All right, it's time for the big picture. Welcome back to Morning Trade Live. We've got a great guest. We've got Kevin Gordon, head of macro research and strategy for Schwab Center for Financial Research. First off, Kevin, good morning to you. It's been a while, my friend. Good to catch up. I want to get into this duck market as you're calling it. One, because I love the visual, but I want to hear you explain this to our viewers. I think this is great.
Kevin Gordon 0:28 ↗
Yeah. I mean, it's essentially what you've seen over the past couple of months. And you were, you know, talking about this with your prior guest before I joined, just the idea that the cap-weighted S&P 500 hasn't really done much over the past couple of months, which gives an illusion that there is some sort of calm, at least on the surface. But if you look underneath, you know, there's been a ton of carnage. And most recently, probably, you know, everybody doesn't need me to remind them, but a lot of it has been focused and concentrated in the megacap trade, particularly within semiconductors. And if you look at particularly the momentum factor, high-beta momentum, you know, the current drawdown is almost 45%, which is almost on par with what you had in 2021 when you were seeing a pretty big, you know, breakdown before we entered the bear market in '22. Breakdown in momentum, but the sort of just churn that you're seeing in that. And at the same time, the S&P 500 is largely unchanged in that period, just sort of gives you an idea of how aggressive some of these rotations under the surface have been.
But, you know, I think to the point of a stronger economy and at least a stronger economic message, I think the fact that you've seen these other areas of the market hold up, be it small caps or financials or, you know, even health care to some extent, the fact that the broader market hasn't broken down is still a good signal.
Host 1:44 ↗
You know, in the long term, Kevin, you and Lisanne have been flagging the concentration risk for years. We've been talking about it on the network for a long time as well. And without new money coming in, this broadening has been net negative to the cap-weighted indices, as you know many thought it might be, as the rotation out of some of those, you know, really concentrated liquidity sponges and momentum names has been quite painful for this market to go back to highs. Do we need to go back to the concentrated market, or do there just need to be new sources of money coming into the market that we're just not seeing over the last couple of months?
Kevin Gordon 2:26 ↗
Well, it depends on how you define concentration. I mean, I think if you're thinking about it in market cap terms, so the, you know, top ten companies in the S&P 500 representing 40%, you know, and change of market cap, if you're looking for that number, you know, if you're anti-concentration and you're looking for that number to go down over time, I mean, you certainly want that to be a slow process. If it's a quick process, then, you know, you've got a pretty aggressive bear market that has to happen for that to be the case. Our kind of thinking about it and how we look at it is in performance terms. So, you know, how many companies are outperforming the index and what does that overall breadth look like. And so far, you know, that recovery has been, I would say, pretty strong over the past several months. And to me, one of the more sort of gold-standard indicators for breadth in the market is the share of companies that are above their 200-day moving average. And that's still relatively healthy. It's gone up in the time frame that the semiconductors have gone into their own, you know, severe correction. So I think that's a better way to sort of think about it. And we think that's a better way to think about, you know, breadth and concentration, not necessarily in market cap terms, because, you know, just the growth in these megacaps over the past decade, call it, it's hard to reverse that. And you don't necessarily want that to happen, you know, in a short time frame. Otherwise it could be, you know, could sort of set you up for a pretty ugly index scenario.

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