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Jim VandeHei
Co-founder & CEO, Axios

Axios CEO warns of 'red screaming light' when it comes to AI

📅 Nov 01, 2025 CNN 8 MIN 91932 VIEWS 7 SEGMENTS · 2 SPEAKERS
"We get sucked into these stupid debates about silly things that you forget before sundown, when in fact you have a massive technological revolution unfolding in real time that is going to have an appreciable effect on your life." Speaking with CNN's Michael Smerconish, Axios CEO and co-founder Jim VandeHei weighs in on AI's implications. #CNN #News

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  1. 0:01Is that a prescription that can be sold by Democrats all across the country, or only in New York City?
  2. 3:50It's such an evolving area that it's not so clear that there's a Republican versus Democratic perspective on artificial intelligence. Am I missing something?
  3. 6:14On my radio show this week, I had a poll question on my website where I asked people, do you think AI is coming for your job? All caps?
Michael 0:01 ↗
Is AI coming for your job? A string of headlines this month suggests the answer is not only yes, but soon. The New York Times reported that Amazon is on the cusp of replacing more than half a million warehouse jobs with robots, and plans to automate 75% of its operations. The same outlet followed up days later with news that Amazon will cut 14,000 corporate jobs as it plows more than 120 billion into data centers and AI development. Then there's the Wall Street Journal reporting that UPS had cut 48,000 positions in management and operations, and that tens of thousands of white collar jobs are disappearing as companies turn to artificial intelligence to do work once done by humans. Meanwhile, Axios warning that one of the most important real world debates in America right now is whether AI will cause a short term job apocalypse among white collar workers, even as stock market hits record highs. In other words, as the markets boom, the human workforce is quietly being rewritten. Some AI pioneers are saying the quiet part out loud that by the end of the decade, 99% of jobs could be automated away. And if you think that kind of automation sounds sci fi, nightmarish, Democrats are already trying to turn it into a campaign slogan. Axios reports that the left's new energy isn't just about tax the rich, it's about taming the robots. From Bernie Sanders to AOC to Zohran Mamdani in New York City. Socialists using AI as a call to arms, warning that tech greed is about to crush the American worker. The coauthor of that piece, Jim VandeHei, CEO and co-founder of Axios, joins me now. So, Jim, you say there are two trends ripe for Democrats: the evolving popularity of socialists and also the concerns over artificial intelligence. I want to break the two of them down and put up a graph on the screen that shows the relative popularity among Ds, Rs and Is of socialism. When asked whether, as a gut check, you approve of socialism, 66% of Democrats say they do, 38% of Rs, pardon me, of independents say they do, and only 14% of independents. Is that a prescription that can be sold by Democrats all across the country, or only in New York City?
Jim Vandehei 2:19 ↗
I mean, you look at that poll and it says that's where the energy inside the Democratic Party is. I agree with you. I don't think based on what I've seen in American politics and what I've seen of the performance of kind of socialistic countries in Europe, I don't think it's necessarily a winning formula. But among Democrats, especially among young, energetic Democrats, they're much more enamored with socialism than capitalism. And you have to look at where the energy is. You have to look at where the people that are turning out are going. It's those events for Bernie Sanders, for AOC, for Mamdani, like they're turning out crowds that more conventional candidates can't. That doesn't mean that you end up with one of them as your nominee. But almost every Democrat I talk to worries profoundly that that will be the outcome. Then you take the fact that that's where the energy is, and you marry it with the unfolding data that we're seeing because of artificial intelligence, where people's energy prices in some cities are starting to go up. When you're seeing it getting harder and harder for people to get a job, especially those young people who are quite enamored with socialism, and you see inequality growing. Those two trends, if you marry them together, make a very powerful political campaign, especially if you think about the people outside of big cities, the working class, the base that, by the way, brought Donald J. Trump into power. Those are the people that are going to get hit the hardest. Those are the people that are ultimately persuadable, as we've seen in the last 5 to 10 years. And that's why those two trends are quite important.
Michael 3:50 ↗
I'm going to put on the screen the three points that you make relative to AI, because I want to amplify this part of the conversation. You say energy prices in many areas are expected to rise as consumers compete with big data centers for finite energy capacity. Job growth is expected to slow, especially for recent college grads, mostly because of AI and AI. Companies and investors are expected to keep getting richer, expanding the inequality gap. Have Republicans surrendered this turf? To me, it's not. It's such an evolving area that it's not so clear that there's a Republican versus Democratic perspective on artificial intelligence. Am I missing something?

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