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Eddie Capel
Executive Chairman of the Board, MANHATTAN ASSOCIATES INC

Manhattan Associates (NASDAQ: MANH) - Q4 2024 Earnings Call

🎥 Mar 02, 2025 📺 Business Presentations ⏱ 53m 👁 18 views
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Eddie Capel, executive chairman of Manhattan Associates, stated on the company’s Q4 2024 earnings call that the company surpassed $1 billion in total revenue and achieved records in RPO, operating profit, free cash flow, and earnings per share. He said the company does not expect tariffs to have a direct impact on its business, describing any effect as likely modest. Capel noted that the company signed its first Manhattan Active Supply Chain Planning customer and that a large-scale store technology replacement cycle is emerging. He also said the company remains cautious on the global economy, with about 10% of customers reducing planned services work. In earlier remarks, Capel described the company’s cloud-native, microservices-based solutions as versionless and updated every 90 days. He said legacy technology architectures are incapable of unifying processes like distribution and transportation. Capel also stated that retailers are seeing a smoothing of holiday demand, with sales promotions starting earlier and lasting longer, and that longer advertising periods are expected to help drain down inventory. He characterized the company’s consistent investment in research and development as unmatched in the industry.

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Transcript (58 segments)
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Operator0:00
This is the conference facilitator. Welcome to Manhattan Associates Q4 2024 earnings call. All lines are muted. After remarks, Q&A. I would now like to introduce your host, Mr. Michael Bower, head of Investor Relations.
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Michael Bower0:43
Good afternoon everyone. Welcome to Manhattan Associates 2024 fourth quarter earnings call. I'll review cautionary language and then turn the call over to Eddie Capel, our CEO. During this call, we may make forward-looking statements. We refer you to our SEC filings for risk factors. We also discuss non-GAAP measures with reconciliations on our website. Now I'll turn the call over to Eddie.
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Eddie Capel2:07
Thanks Mike. Good afternoon everybody. I have a sore throat, so I apologize. 2024 was a very successful year for Manhattan. We surpassed $1 billion total revenue and achieved records in RPO, total revenue, operating profit, free cash flow, and EPS. Q4 RPO performance exceeded expectations. We're entering 2025 with strong business momentum and optimism about a growing market opportunity. However, we remain cautious on the global economy, which has become a more acute near-term headwind for our services business. About 10% of our customers with in-flight implementations reduced planned services work, and we adjusted our outlook accordingly. Services remain critical for customer success and close partnerships. In 2025, we'll have a record number of customer implementations. Services revenue will trough in Q1 2025 and then steadily increase, returning to year-over-year growth in Q4. Business fundamentals are solid. Q1 is off to a great start from a software bookings perspective. We have several growth drivers: new customers, conversions, cross-selling. We expect 20% plus cloud subscription revenue growth over the next several years, with cloud surpassing services revenue likely by end of 2026. Q4 results: Revenue up 7% to $256 million, cloud up 26%, adjusted EPS up 14% to $0.17. RPO up 25% to $1.8 billion. Win rates about 70%. Demand solid across portfolio. Retail, manufacturing, wholesale drove over 80% of bookings. About a quarter of new bookings from net new logos. We have significant conversion opportunities with over 80% of on-premise customers yet to migrate. In 2024 we invested about $138 million in R&D. We launched Manhattan Active Supply Chain Planning, introduced Iris POS, and advanced supply chain execution. We signed our first planning customer. In POS, 2024 was a good year with successful deployments at Paxar and Artex. Forrester named us a leader in both POS and omni-channel order management. We won a significant POS opportunity in the Americas from a leading tool and equipment retailer. Transportation management ended the year strong with several competitive wins. Now Dennis will provide financials, then I'll close.
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Dennis13:38
Thanks Eddie. 2024 set records in RPO, total revenue, operating profit, free cash flow, and EPS. Both Q4 and full year exceeded expectations. Q4 total revenue $256 million, up 7%. Full year revenue $1.04 billion, up 12%. Excluding license and maintenance, Q4 revenue up 11%, full year up 16%. Q4 cloud revenue $90 million, up 26%, full year $337 million, up 32%. Q4 RPO of $1.8 billion, up 25% year-over-year, 6% sequentially. Service revenue $119 million, slightly up year-over-year but $2 million below expectations due to budgetary constraints. Q4 adjusted operating profit $90 million, margin 35.3%, up over 300 bps year-over-year. Full year adjusted operating profit $362 million, margin 34.7%, up 440 bps. Q4 adjusted EPS $0.17, up 14%. Full year adjusted EPS $4.72, up 26%. Q4 operating cash flow $105 million, free cash flow margin 39.7%. Full year operating cash flow $295 million, free cash flow margin 27.5%. Deferred revenue up 177% to $279 million. Cash $266 million, no debt. We repurchased $44 million in shares in Q4, $242 million in 2024. Board increased share repurchase authority to $100 million. For 2025 guidance: RPO target $2.11-2.15 billion, midpoint $2.13 billion, 20% growth. Full year total revenue $1.06-1.07 billion, Q1 $256-258 million, Q3 about $266.25 million, Q4 $269 million. Adjusted operating margin 33-33.5%, quarterly: Q1 31%, Q2 33.5%, Q3 34.5%, Q4 34%. Full year adjusted EPS $4.45-4.55, GAAP EPS $3.23-3.35. Q1 adjusted EPS $1.01-1.03. Cloud revenue for 2025: $395-410 million, 21% growth. Services $494-500 million, with steady growth. Maintenance $118-120 million, declining 14%. License about $13.5 million. Hardware $6.5-7 million per quarter. Consolidated subscription maintenance and services margin up about 50 bps. Effective tax rate 21%, diluted share count 62.7 million. We expect 20% plus cloud subscription revenue growth for the next several years. Thank you. Back to Eddie.
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Eddie Capel26:17
2024 was very successful. Q4 achieved record bookings, Q1 off to a great start. While there is FX noise and macro choppiness causing near-term services headwinds, structurally Manhattan's business fundamentals are very solid. We are the industry leader with world-class technology, record R&D investment, 70% plus win rates, and industry-leading customer satisfaction. We have a strong pipeline and numerous drivers for durable growth. Thank you to our global team and customers. That concludes our prepared remarks. We'd be happy to take any questions.
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Operator27:42
Thank you. We will now conduct a question and answer session. If you'd like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. One moment while we poll for questions.
Our first question comes from Terry Tilman of Truist Securities.
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Terry Tilman28:11
Thanks for taking my questions. Eddie, Dennis, and Mike. First question on the $127 million constant currency RPO, which seems solid. You mentioned Q1 is off to a great start. Are you seeing seasonality where Q4 and Q1 are strongest?
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Eddie Capel28:54
I'll answer the same as before. No real seasonality, sometimes mid-year slowdown due to vacations. Q4 was a record, Q1 strong start. Good balance across product portfolio, customers, geographies.
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Terry Tilman29:35
Follow-up on the two cities. Software demand resilient, services sluggish. Is services cyclical or structural due to cloud and efficiency?
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Eddie Capel30:00
No question we are becoming more efficient in implementations, which impacts services. Our leadership position and tier-one partners also impact. But there is budget pressure as customers went into their budgeting cycle in fall 2024. They were more bullish then, but now budgets pulled back slightly. Still, we expect significant services spending in 2025 from our customers.
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Terry Tilman31:20
And another question on free cash flow. I know you don't guide, but any non-operating items to think about?
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Dennis31:44
In terms of cash flow through 2025, we'll be at a run rate of about $300 million per quarter, targeting about $1.2 billion on a full year basis in cash collections.
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Operator32:15
Our next question comes from Joe Rinkbe.
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Joe Rinkbe32:22
Thanks for taking my question. SAP mentioned large customers making cloud commitments but initially only one-third of scope, then coming back later. Is this happening with your WMS engagements? Also, any change in service intentions?
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Eddie Capel33:05
Not really, Joe. That has been happening for several years. Customers often commit to a subset of their facilities initially. It's not a new dynamic and not having a near-term impact.
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Joe Rinkbe33:43
Could you provide an update on year-end RPO mix? If product mix shifts to POS, does that affect services intensity and headcount?
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Eddie Capel34:28
In reverse order, not really a big difference in services attach rate across products. For RPO breakdown, the preponderance is from WMS, followed by OMS, then TMS, then others. Point of sale activity is slowly picking up.
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Operator35:32
Our next question comes from Brian Peterson of Raymond James.
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Brian Peterson35:38
Following up on Joe's question. In the past you mentioned stats on active WM customers signed or live. Any update on progress with about 20% transition?
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Eddie Capel36:03
We have a little more than 150 live customers, over 600 facilities. Just below 80% of customers still on premise, so not quite 20% migrated.
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Brian Peterson36:36
I was at NRF as well. Agree interest in cloud-based POS refresh. What's your sense of customer optimism and momentum for 2025?
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Eddie Capel36:56
I can quantify enthusiasm but not specifics. There is enthusiasm for store technology replacement cycles driven by hardware aging and need for omni-channel strategy. We saw a lot of unsolicited interest at NRF.
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Brian Peterson37:56
Great to hear. Thanks.
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Operator38:18
Our next question comes from Quinton Gabrieli of Piper Sandler.
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Quinton Gabrieli38:23
Thanks for taking our question. First, could you understand the magnitude of deal pushouts from Q2 and Q3 and how that impacted Q4 constant currency bookings? And have all those deals closed?
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Eddie Capel39:03
No, they have not all closed. Some closed, some haven't. Those deals haven't been lost. Sometimes companies push out a full year. Not uncommon.
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Quinton Gabrieli39:46
Understood. On the services line, does this accelerate your focus on leveraging partners and accelerating cloud transition, pushing services aside?
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Eddie Capel40:18
Great question. In 2026 we expect software revenue to exceed services revenue. Software grows faster. Services still important for customer success and innovation input. No intentions to move away from services, but software will continue to grow faster.
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Dennis42:03
Hey Quinton, just to correct, the 2025 free cash flow target should be $300 million with end of full year $1.2 billion in cash collections.
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Quinton Gabrieli42:24
Got it. Thank you both.
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Operator42:30
Sure. Thank you. Our next question comes from Mark Shapel of Loop Capital Markets.
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Mark Shapel42:38
Hi, thanks for taking my question. Eddie, what's the sentiment from CIOs on moving forward with WMS or TMS upgrades? Are these being crowded out by other priorities?
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Eddie Capel43:04
If we compare January 2024 to January 2025, the tone was much more enthusiastic at NRF.
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Mark Shapel43:40
Great. Could you provide additional color on the supply chain planning solutions and reference customers?
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Eddie Capel43:47
We signed our first customer in the quarter, which was a surprise. Initial estimate was mid-2025. We saw enthusiasm for unifying planning and execution. Having our first visionary adopter after 65 days gives us enthusiasm.
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Mark Shapel45:03
Great. Thank you.
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Operator45:08
Our next question comes from William Jalon of DA Davidson.
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William Jalon45:14
Thanks for taking my question. First, on Professional Services, you mentioned strong increases in efficiency due to record low attrition. Where are we on those trends, and how are you thinking about hiring in light of updated 2025 expectations?
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Eddie Capel45:46
Efficiency continues to grow. Attrition is very low in Professional Services. We are balancing supply and demand. We've seen a downtick in demand, so we'll monitor closely. Expect it to pick up in the back half of 2025, but we have time to decide hiring profile.
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William Jalon46:41
Great. Thanks for taking that question.
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Eddie Capel46:41
My pleasure.
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Operator46:49
Our next question comes from Dylan Becker of William Blair.
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Dylan Becker46:55
Gentlemen, appreciate it. Don't want to hammer on services, but Eddie, any additional color on the types of projects being pushed? You mentioned record number of customers going live. What's causing lower spending and mix of $50 million impact between internal efficiency and partnership vs. pushouts?
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Eddie Capel47:30
We won't break down the $50 million specifically. The phenomenon: customers with large scale programs that planned to expand across more facilities or brands are doing fewer this year. No projects cancelled, just budgets clipped.
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Dylan Becker48:48
That's helpful. Maybe one more on adaptive planning. Early momentum. Help us understand industry data readiness for real-time planning adoption and how it ties to cloud modernization.
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Eddie Capel49:14
Data is ready. They have the data from overnight batch jobs. We use same data but process in real time, enabling planning speed to catch up with execution pace. No concerns about data availability; change management is the challenge.
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Dylan Becker50:42
Very helpful. Thanks, Eddie.
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Operator50:42
Thank you. Our final question will come from George Kusawa of Citi.
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George Kusawa50:49
Hi, thanks for taking the question. Starting with politics, any impact of tariffs on your business? Any changes to positioning?
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Eddie Capel51:02
We are monitoring, no tariffs expected on our business directly. Our customers are in finished goods supply chain, so goods hit ports from wherever. Probably little impact on Manhattan.
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George Kusawa51:43
Makes sense. On the margin guide, it ticked down a bit from initial target. Intuitively software stronger, so any Opex lines you're investing more in? Any color on the change?
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Eddie Capel52:07
We will increase R&D investment in 2025, as we have for 15 years. Also more in sales and marketing given broader portfolio. FX noise and topline revenue decline have impact.
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George Kusawa52:43
Thanks for taking the questions.
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Eddie Capel52:43
My pleasure, George.
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Operator52:50
There are no further questions. I would like to turn the floor back to Eddie Capel for closing remarks.
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Eddie Capel52:57
Thanks everybody for toughing it out with my croaky voice. While we've seen some choppiness and a downturn in services business for 2025, our fundamentals are very strong, built around product innovation. The demand for that innovation is strong. We are as encouraged as ever about our long-term future. We look forward to telling you more in 90 days. Thanks again.
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Operator53:32
That does conclude today's teleconference. We thank you for your participation. You may disconnect your lines.