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Wojciech Zaremba
Co-founder; Head of AI Resilience, OpenAI Foundation, OpenAI

Wojciech Zaremba, co-founder of ChatGPT, meeting in Kluczbork

📅 Aug 02, 2025 24opolepl 21 MIN 26 SEGMENTS · 3 SPEAKERS
The co-founder of ChatGPT and co-founder of OpenAI met with residents of the Opole region today. He spoke about the future of artificial intelligence, responsibility for technology, and an emotional return to the school where it all began.

Questions asked in this interview

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  1. 4:53... are you surprised by the technology that you actually create, you also created in terms of time, that probably what you initially thought would be created in 5 years, suddenly turns out to be created in three years. What does it look like?
  2. 6:14Ladies and gentlemen, are you considering this?
  3. 7:35Is it true that artificial intelligence is currently trained based on all the data on the internet?
  4. 9:28What is your biggest dream regarding artificial intelligence and technological development?
  5. 11:40Has anything changed here or is this just science fiction?
  6. 14:18Are they able to reject this false information and build their knowledge in such a way that they are able to even go beyond what they have downloaded from the internet and tokenized?
  7. 15:02Do you think the average inhabitant of this world has any idea what a significant technological change we are dealing with?
  8. 15:51Does this mean that artificial intelligence will always make mistakes, or will this 5% be eliminated?
  9. 17:20Is this technology actually constantly evolving and can we really expect it to be with us and only grow for decades to come?
Narrator 0:16 ↗
Some truth was prepared and fired. Wojtek invented a bomb and this bomb exploded in middle school. He soiled all the students' jackets in their cubicles. He had very kind ladies here in Luczbór at the pharmacy and at the Sanitary Inspectorate and these experiments did not always end well. He dragged various things down to the basement for us and everything was fine until the explosion occurred. It's good that he had glasses, because he would have lost his sight.
For me he is just little Wojtuś. Always beloved little Wojtuś. And when I get an article from time to time, God, it's impossible. This is unbelievable.
He was constantly searching for something. He had a question mark written all over his face. He kept asking. What he heard once, he remembered. He was able to put in a lot of work. From what I remember, I spent every day devoted to mathematics, coming to Libiada. He didn't have to get A's in everything.
When in my life I never thought that Wojtek would be quoted more often today than the classics. When you talk to him and talk about numbers and programs, he says that he simply sees it.
Wojciech Zaremba 1:40 ↗
Within artificial intelligence, we actually have many methods to make these models definitely smarter, and at some point we and other institutions will reach the level of human intelligence and we will also reach a level of intelligence smarter than humans. And now it's obvious that a lot of people are starting to worry about this. This is justified. There are reasons to be concerned about this, but it is also the case that many people cannot even imagine how this could be a positive thing for humanity. Even in my life I have seen people who say: 'Oh, I finished school, I won't have to study anymore.' This is kind of pointless. For me, the connotations are that science is terrible, but it's terribly interesting, and really, when you look at different types of elements of the world, if you realize, for example, you know, how passionately, I don't know, I read history and, for example, history describes what things happened and gives such a perspective, for example, what these things looked like in the Roman Empire, or what the beginning of humanity looked like, or even, as I read from physics, such an understanding of how the universe works. Well, quite interesting. Well, it's just that we function in a world that works differently than we would think. Yes? If you look very closely at what this universe is made of, it actually works differently than it might seem at first glance. So I can say, there is a lot, the world is more interesting than anyone would say, in any fairy tale anyone would invent it.
Current models have been able to solve a number of different problems that doctors have been unable to solve in rare diseases. However, we are not yet at a stage where models can help us discover new physics, or, I don't know, a cure for cancer. Even within autonomous corporations, such a machine has been built, similar to a Coca-Cola vending machine, which is able to order itself, decide what it wants to order and its purpose is to order products in such a way and set prices in such a way as to maximize its profit. And actually, this is an example of such a completely autonomous corporation. It is quite interesting that in the last models someone implemented such an automatic. First this machine was able to make money, make money, make money. At some point he made bad decisions and went bankrupt. With other models, this machine was able to earn this money for a longer period of time and did not even go bankrupt. So we even see these seeds of autonomous companies today.
Interviewer 4:53 ↗
And how often are you surprised by the technology that you actually create, you also created in terms of time, that probably what you initially thought would be created in 5 years, suddenly turns out to be created in three years. What does it look like?
Wojciech Zaremba 5:08 ↗
It is true that this technology quite often surprises, perhaps a bit like raising a child. One knows what is supposed to happen at a given stage, that the child will walk here, start saying words here, and so on. So it's a bit like this, on the one hand, we expect certain things, so even as we said about how I said now about these levels, we expect what it will look like. However, when it happens in reality, it is still somewhat surprising. For example, I myself took part in these mathematical olympiads. Wooden medal and we expected that these models would be better and better and better in various areas. Two weeks ago, our model took part in the mathematics olympiad and won a gold medal. Okay. And this is something that we expected and at the same time it is very surprising to me.
Interviewer 6:14 ↗
Ladies and gentlemen, are you considering this? You talk about what this social contract, this new social contract, will look like in the future in an era of expanding automation.
Wojciech Zaremba 6:27 ↗
Yes, there are quite a few conversations about this. However, it seems to me that the wrong way of thinking is that OpenAI will invent it and that will be the way it will be for the world. In my opinion, a more sensible approach is that the more the world engages, reflects, develops, and implements, the greater the chances that we will be able to come up with solutions together that make sense. And I probably expect that even within the social contract, there may be different countries that make different decisions about how it is implemented with different results. It may be that there may be countries that are so incredibly afraid of this technology that it will be blocked and this development will be very limited and there are countries that will be able to use it to the maximum and this will actually be a new renaissance, a new way of thinking. Well, well, well, and even on the technological and moral level, and how government institutions function, what are the relationships of people and so on.
Interviewer 7:35 ↗
And what will it look like in the future in terms of this development, because there is information that artificial intelligence has already understood all the knowledge that humanity has created. So first of all, is this true, was this actually the case? And what will she learn from next? Are we already entering the stage where she will create new things on her own? Is it true that artificial intelligence is currently trained based on all the data on the internet?
Wojciech Zaremba 8:05 ↗
This stage, as one of the paradigms within which we trained this artificial intelligence, is human mimicry. And over the last year and a half, maybe two years, we've started training artificial intelligence to think for itself. And this new paradigm allows models to be trained with significantly less data and they will continue to improve. At this point we are at a stage where these models and we are missing difficult tasks. We don't have a shortage at this point, because most of the tasks we don't have a significant number in any fields of tasks that we are able to give these models, those that we are able to verify the answer. There may be difficult tasks like writing a doctoral thesis, but it is more difficult to verify whether this doctoral thesis makes sense. So in general from this perspective, hence at this moment the machinery is built such that these models are able to, in a very short time, understand a huge amount of knowledge and this is, we will speak about, an order of magnitude of hundreds of years of human experience during the day. Yes.
Interviewer 9:28 ↗
What is your biggest dream regarding artificial intelligence and technological development?
Wojciech Zaremba 9:35 ↗
I mean, the dream is, oh yes, if a human being internalizes the potential of what we are building, then there is a possibility that the world before us may be simply unbelievable. It is so that one day we will look back and think: 'What a poor, simple life we lived.' It's the same as if you looked at how people used to run in groups of 10 people through the forests. Yes. And there is also the possibility that this technology could guide a person towards, for example, realization at the deepest level, so that a person, anyone, could be who they want to be, so that any person could be truly healthy, deeply satisfied with their life. And I can say, theoretically all this is possible. However, it has often happened that there were huge promises within a given technology that, for various reasons, were not realized. For example, we are in a situation where we have information from an intellectual perspective about how to produce food, but at the same time we have somehow made decisions that this food does not reach all the people in the world and we have people in the world who are dying of hunger. It's not that we don't have the technology to produce food. We have this technology, and there's a system set up like this, so the possibilities of where it can go are incredible. Many people focus on the negative aspect. I can say there will probably be some negative aspects. With every transformation there are some negative aspects. The possibilities are so incredible that it would be worth having more and more people thinking about how to take advantage of this powerful opportunity.
Interviewer 11:40 ↗
What about consciousness, self-awareness of AI? Has anything changed here or is this just science fiction?

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Zaremba, W. (2025, August 2). Wojciech Zaremba, co-founder of ChatGPT, meeting in Kluczbork [Interview transcript]. 24opolepl. CEOInterviews.AI. https://ceointerviews.ai/interview/562607/

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Wojciech Zaremba. "Wojciech Zaremba, co-founder of ChatGPT, meeting in Kluczbork." 24opolepl, 2 Aug. 2025. Transcript, CEOInterviews.AI, https://ceointerviews.ai/interview/562607/.

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  author       = {Wojciech Zaremba},
  title        = {Wojciech Zaremba, co-founder of ChatGPT, meeting in Kluczbork},
  howpublished = {Interview transcript, 24opolepl. CEOInterviews.AI},
  year         = {2025},
  month        = {aug},
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  note         = {Speaker-attributed transcript with timestamps}
}