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James Bullard
Former President and CEO, Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis

Former St. Louis Fed Pres. Jim Bullard: The Fed could cut 100 basis points in the next year

📅 Aug 12, 2025 CNBC Television 8 MIN 18901 VIEWS 18 SEGMENTS · 2 SPEAKERS
Former St. Louis Fed President James Bullard joins 'Squawk Box' to discuss being added to President Trump's short list of potential Fed Chair picks, state of the economy, impact of tariffs, the Fed's inflation fight, rate path outlook, and more. For access to live and exclusive video from CNBC subscribe to CNBC PRO: https://cnb.cx/42d859g » Subscribe to CNBC TV: https://cnb.cx/SubscribeCNBCtelevision » Subscribe to CNBC: https://cnb.cx/SubscribeCNBC » Watch CNBC on the go with CNBC+: https://www.cnbc.com/WatchCNBCPlus Turn to CNBC TV for the latest stock market news and analysis. From market...

Questions asked in this interview

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  1. 0:00Are you on the phone with him every time it rings?
  2. 1:18Is that the answer you need to give?
  3. 2:38Last time you were on, weren't you sort of amenable to at least talking about it?
  4. 4:15Are you ready to withstand that type of criticism?
  5. 6:08What do you think of that yourself?
  6. 7:16Are the tariffs going to possibly cause a growth slowdown?
Interviewer 0:00 ↗
Well, you heard us talk about it. Our next guest has reportedly been added to the short list, President Trump's short list on Fed Chair picks, former St. Louis Fed President James Bullard. He's now the dean of Purdue University Business School, longtime friend of the show. And when I heard the news, Jim, I said, 'Well, I don't know if he's a hawk or dove. I just know he's really smart, and I've known you a long time, and I've been out to the St. Louis Fed with you and everything else, and I think you'd be a great pick.' Do you know whether there's usually if there's smoke there's fire? Has your life changed? Did someone call you? Is it fake news? Do you know if you're on the short list now? Has Secretary Bessent called? Are you on the phone with him every time it rings?
James Bullard 0:50 ↗
I did talk to the Treasury Secretary last week, and he said he was going to be out of the country, but the Wall Street Journal broke the story. I don't know where they got their info, but I did talk to him. We had a brief conversation, and I told him it didn't sound like they had a process locked down yet, but I told him I'd be happy to proceed however they wanted to proceed.
Interviewer 1:18 ↗
In terms of it, it would be more vetting, is that what's involved? What would you tell them? Do you think we should be cutting rates right now? Is that the answer you need to give?
James Bullard 1:35 ↗
I'll accept the job if we set it up for success, if we can protect the value of the dollar, be the reserve currency, that'll give us lower interest rates over time. If we aim for low and stable inflation, and if we can respect the independence of the institution under the Federal Reserve Act. If you want to change the Federal Reserve Act, that's a matter for Congress. Congress has looked at it a lot. They like it the way it is basically. So I think work within the institutional structure, do the things that we have to do to keep inflation low and stable and keep the inflation risk premium out of interest rates. If we get an inflation risk premium in there, then we have to pay higher interest rates all the time than we otherwise would. So that's the basic case that I would make. And am I a hawk or dove? I think what I've learned in this is don't be dogmatic because situations change.
Interviewer 2:38 ↗
That's what I was going to say. The reason I don't know is because you've been both. In the experiences that we've had with you most recently though, and you correct me if I'm wrong, I thought you were warming up to the idea of a cut and that maybe the risks weren't totally symmetrical in terms of the two mandates. Last time you were on, weren't you sort of amenable to at least talking about it?
James Bullard 3:06 ↗
Yeah, I think the committee put their rate cut program on pause when the tariff situation arose six months ago, and now you have six months of evidence. I don't really think tariffs cause inflation. Taxes don't cause inflation. So what you're seeing in the data is very muted effects that are one-time increases in the price level. You're not really seeing anything, and the committee's coming around to the view that this is probably a one-time increase in the price level and is not interrupting the longer term trend toward 2% inflation. So they're ready to come down. I think they'll cut here in September, probably again later in the year. And as I said last time, I think you could continue that into next year. So you probably get 100 basis points by this time next year, and then you'd be close to the neutral policy rate. That's a good place to be if unemployment's in the little 4% range and you get inflation coming back to 2%.
Interviewer 4:15 ↗
It's an unbelievable position obviously for anyone. If you're in that business, Jim, prestigious. And I don't know who's, I know the president might be more powerful, but I don't know after that where you go. So I can see how you'd want it. Seeing the way that the slings and arrows that Jay Powell has suffered at the hands of President Trump, whether it's deserved or not, is that worth it for you if a couple of years from now you see dollar stability as the primary risk and you wanted to keep rates high? Are you ready to withstand that type of criticism? It just seems like I'd be thinking about whether I wanted to take that job.
James Bullard 5:06 ↗
Well, I think you have to, if you're going to accept, you have to say, 'I'll accept, but we have to set this up for success, not for failure. If you want somebody to come into the job and fail, get somebody else.' I think anybody on this list would insist on that before they would take this job. So, am I willing to raise rates? I was one of the ringleaders in 2022, and we raised the policy rate 75 basis points four meetings in a row.
Interviewer 5:37 ↗
Always bad.

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Bullard, J. (2025, August 12). Former St. Louis Fed Pres. Jim Bullard: The Fed could cut 100 basis points in the next year [Interview transcript]. CNBC Television. CEOInterviews.AI. https://ceointerviews.ai/interview/593779/

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James Bullard. "Former St. Louis Fed Pres. Jim Bullard: The Fed could cut 100 basis points in the next year." CNBC Television, 12 Aug. 2025. Transcript, CEOInterviews.AI, https://ceointerviews.ai/interview/593779/.

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