Okay. But Trump doesn't care because Trump's going to pardon himself and his family members on the way out because he's broken every other norm. Don't think he won't break that norm as well.
You don't think there is ever any shame component that there are?
Yeah, shame. Okay, let me look for the shame. Hold on. I'm going to look on Hey, are you down there? Come on. Shame.
Welcome to Raging Moderates. I'm Jessica Tarlov and backed by popular demand, one of mine and Scott's favorites, though we usually hang separately. We got to do a joint hang. Anthony Scaramucci is here, founder of SkyBridge Capital. 10-day White House communications director.
11. 11. Jess, 11. Yeah. Why, Jimmy? That last day was so important. I got fired on that last day.
It was a big day though. I was reading about it again like with the Ryan's previous angles and the Sean Spicer angle. Anyway.
I mean those guys, my gut. All right. Anyway, go ahead. Let's keep going.
That's it. Welcome to the show. Thanks for joining me.
You know, my nickname for Spicer was Liar Spice. You know, all the Spice Girls have a nickname, but his was Liar Spice. You know what a guy. All right, go ahead. Keep going. Go ahead. What are we talking about?
Well, let's talk about Iran. Peace plans are flying back and forth. According to reports, the US sent their 15-point plan to Iran. Iran responded, this is all via Pakistan. Iran responded with a wish list that's obviously never going to happen with the US closing all their military bases in the Gulf States, lifting all their sanctions. What stage of the conflict do you think that we're in? And how much credence do you give to the idea that we're having meaningful negotiations? Iran said this morning that the US is negotiating with itself.
Well, I mean, Trump and his accolades are trading the market. I mean, it's a broader comment because the Democrats also do the insider trading. It's a bipartisan indictment. But I think, you know, he's nowhere on this. And I predict escalation. And so I want to be the contrarian here because the oil markets are saying no. The stock market is saying no. But you're moving Marine Expeditionary Forces into the region. You're moving the I guess the 81st or the 82nd Airborne Division. So the 82nd Airborne Division of the region. And so Trump is like a 12-year-old. He's not going to not use those things. So 3, 4 weeks before the invasion, people said, 'Well, is he just using aircraft movements as a negotiating pressure point?' And I said, 'No, that's not his personality. He'll end up using this stuff because he likes it.' You know, remember he's full-on narcissist like him objectifies people. So this is a video game and these are just objects in his field of vision. So people die as he's been very callously, you know, saying, 'Nope, people die.' That's what happens in a war. He doesn't really care. So, I see this escalating because in the 15 points, there's a couple things they're never going to accept. Number one is they want them to accept the existence of Israel and Israel's right to exist. They're just never going to do that. You have to understand their doctrine over the last 47 years and what's embedded in their radical Islamic constitution. They want the destruction of Israel and they want to export their radicalism into the Gulf States. And they've done a pretty good job of proxy militias, terrorist organizations, state sponsored terrorism, and this is the sentiment, Jess, of their foundational principles. That's number one. Number two, they are not going to give up their nuclear weapons or the potential pursuit of the nuclear weapons because they studied what happened to Gaddafi and they studied what happened to other people and they also studied what happened to Kim Jong Un when Clinton had the chance to strike or to do something more aggressive than diplomacy with North Korea. He didn't do that. They've now got the nuke. They've now got ballistic capabilities. And so guess what happens when you have that? You don't lose your power. And so these guys are dug in. And I think you know the mosaic defense principle in Iran which is very well documented. And I think that the Israelis frankly mis... okay there are 31 decentralized groups. The Iranians basically said we're not going to lose power the way Gaddafi did. We studied what happened in Iraq and so we're going to have these 31 decentralized groups. Anybody gets decapitated, no problem. Just go down the line, press the buttons necessary to keep a war going. And remember, they're not stupid. They know they can't beat the Americans or the Israelis, but what they could potentially do is outlast them. And what they could also potentially do is choke the strait, and that's exactly what they're doing. So, to me, five, six of those 15 points are not going to be acceptable to them. Which is why you're hearing reports that the Gulf states are calling the president saying, you know, lock in, finish the job. Maybe you saw Larry Fink's comment yesterday in his annual letter. If you don't finish the job, oil prices are going to go between 100 and 150 because it's going to be very hard to ensure those tankers and there's always going to be this uncertainty in the strait. So unless you're telling me that they're going to accept an international coalition of peacekeepers in the Strait of Hormuz which is going to then lower the prices and lower the prices of insurance premiums. So you know I don't see that this was a quagmire. This is the reason why JD Vance didn't want to do it. Okay. This is the reason why Susan basically disappeared.
Yeah. JD Vance at this point.
Well yeah but also you know look it's interesting and your viewers and listeners should know this. They reported and JD Vance leaked this by the way that he's thinking about not running for president in 2028 because he's too tight with Trump. He's got a baby on the way. Rumors are that his wife doesn't like the lack of privacy. And he's looking around saying, 'Okay, this is going to be very hard for me to run because my whole positions were against this, you know, and they put out a tweet. There's a tweet for everything, but they put out a tweet, a picture of Trump and JD Vance, and they're hugging each other, and they're saying the peace candidacy, the peace presidency.' Is that what happened?
Obviously not. I mean, JD Vance has had multiple identity crises certainly since 2016, to your point about there being a tweet for everything. But what I meant with he's basically disappeared that they've taken him and to some degree Marco Rubio off of the front lines of defending this war and picking Scott Bessent who, you know, the left loves to...
Oh, so he's in the pole ass-kissing position. So he's now the Michael Phelps of ass-kissers in the White House. And so what happened? So just so you people know because remember I'm still a Republican. I still talk to all these people. So what happened was there really isn't a big rift between Rubio and Vance despite the media portraying it that way. Okay? And so they're teamed up. They didn't like the war. Neither one of them liked the war. Neither one of them thought it was a good idea. They wanted a diplomatic solution to the war. Rubio's trying to be a little bit more deferential to Trump, but the two of them teamed up, which is why about eight days ago, Vance had to stand before Trump in the Oval Office behind the Resolute desk to tell everybody how supportive he was of the war. So, there was a skirmish inside the White House and there was an ideological battle going on and Vance and Rubio were on the same side of it. Okay? And so that's why they've both been relegated. And by the way, you know this, okay? The Iranians are saying, 'If we're going to talk to anybody, we want to talk to Vance. If anybody's going to Pakistan, we'd like Vance to go to Pakistan.' Okay? So they're not going to back down because they don't have a choice. When you paint somebody into the corner and they have to survive, Jesse, what do you think they're going to do? They're going to stay and they're not going to move. Okay. When Gaddafi gave up the weapons of mass destruction, what happened to Gaddafi? It did not end well. And so let's talk about US regime change 25 years. Okay. So we went from the Taliban to the Taliban in 20 years. That's US regime change in Afghanistan. And so we knocked out Saddam Hussein who ironically was a sworn enemy to the Iranians, but we knocked him out. And so we weakened that government. And it is a form of a democracy, but it's become a satellite state of Iran. So 20 years in Afghanistan, Taliban to the Taliban, 20 years in Iraq, and we weakened the state of Iraq, and we turned it into a satellite state where there's militia proxies for the Iranians in the state. And so, and by the way, when you're on the news with Greg Gutfeld and Jesse, and you know, I like those guys, but they're like, you know, I mean, they're really, I mean, come on. They're like ideological, you know, talking heads. But you should say, hey, by the way, had they degraded the satellite structure of the terrorist organizations? The answer is no. That's why the Israelis are obliterating Lebanon and they're killing people indiscriminately in Lebanon because these satellite structures are still very active and they're still very dangerous. So, you know, you tell me, you've got 27 days into the war. You tell me how's it going. Okay, the president has said seven times he's beat him this way, he's beat him that way, he's beat him this way. But has he really? Because they're still there.
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Welcome back. NBC just published a report this morning that apparently White House staffers show Trump like a daily snuff film essentially of American victories in this war, but it doesn't encompass the totality of what's going on. And he has a shorter attention span, you can't necessarily put that much footage in. And so that's what's increasingly making him angry about the coverage. And it actually on a much smaller scale, I was thinking back to remember how President Biden was insulated from any of the negative coverage and the bad polls and it took like Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi being like there are bad polls like we are going to lose. And I'm curious, you know, knowing the ins and outs of the White House and what it is like to deal with him, do you think that NBC report is accurate? And can you see a world in which he's just watching, you know, 15 minutes of rah rah America and is not hearing about the stuff that's going wrong?
Yeah. Yeah. I don't buy that. He's too smart for that. People underestimate him. He's got great political instincts. His polls are down every which way that you could imagine. Obviously, the state legislature loss in his Mar-a-Lago area in Florida is an example of that. But I submit to you guys a very contrarian view that he does not care. So, if you're a Republican that's listening to your guys, guess what? Trump does not care if you lose. Trump does not care if Cornyn loses in Texas. He actually does not care. Trump cares about two things. He cares about money and he cares about attention and he cares about self-aggrandizement. He doesn't care about you. He doesn't care about the American people. And so this notion that Trump is going to help these guys win in 2028 is a bunch of malarkey. Okay, to use a Joe Biden word, okay? In fact, people said to me, who does Trump want to be a successor? How about Gavin Newsom? That's who Trump wants to be a successor. And just hear me out for a second because the narcissistic narrative is you were nothing before I got there, fellow Republicans. Nothing. And guess what? Now that I'm leaving, you're nothing again. I'm the supreme narcissist. Everything is around me. Your success or your failure is dictated by my presence. Okay? So, just understand that about Donald Trump. He doesn't care about these polls. He's got three years left. Don Jr. said that they want to be the richest family in the world before he leaves the presidency. God only knows what they're doing. You know, I mean, the bald-faced stuff is they're, you know, they're buying oil. They're shorting the oil markets 5 minutes before he tweets and they're getting I mean, so God only knows what they're doing.
Does everyone just accept that that is the case? Is it actually like people in his family that are doing this or like I imagine on Wall Street and people that you're talking to every day that this is a constant topic of conversation. Whoever is, you know, the best pollster or better must have links to this family like what is going on there and why can we do nothing about it?
Well, I mean, no, you could definitely do something about it. You know, we just have decided that we're not going to do anything about it. I mean, the answer is pretty simple. You know, we could of course do something about it. They locked Martha Stewart up for 5 months for quote unquote insider trading. And so we 100% of course could do something about it. But the reason we're not doing something about it is that the SEC has told the enforcement agents they can't do something about it. Margaret Ryan, who was a head of SEC enforcement to prosecute insider trading cases, complained about this. You can digitally tag the trades and you can find the accounts that are associated with the trades. That's how they got Sam Bankman-Fried. That's how they got Martha Stewart. They could very easily do that. She's been pushed off by SEC leadership, so she left. Okay? And so, yes, you could totally do this, but this is a bigger problem because you guys are the Raging Moderates. So, let me indict both parties. Have you heard of something called Saronic Technologies? Ever heard of them?
Okay. No. Me either. I never heard of them. Okay. But there's a Democratic representative, Kelly Morrison, who bought Saronic Technologies, which is an autonomous warship company 9 days after the beginning of the war with Iran. Right as the Navy, guess what the Navy was doing? They were awarding contracts to Saronic. Okay? So her office said that her portfolio is managed by an investment advisor and she has no prior knowledge but the government watchdog groups that are looking at it called it a pretty clear conflict of interest. So there is massive nonsense going on on both sides. Just the Trump family has taken it exponential. Right. We had a guy named Hunter Picasso Biden. Okay. And Hunter I remember him.
Yeah. So Hunter Picasso was drawing paintings cuz his name was Pic his middle name was Picasso. So he was getting these ridiculous sums of money for his paintings and the Trump family laughed at that.
So that's 3, 4 million to quote Trump and to use a Trumpian word. That's peanuts. That's peanuts. Let's go for the jugular of the billions of dollars. Let's get a $400 million plane from Qatar. Of course, we'll keep it after I leave office. Let's rock and roll on billions here and billions there. Let's put 80 story skyscrapers around the Gulf. Let's lock and load. And by the way, we traded Liberation Day on April 2nd. We traded the relaxation of Liberation Day on April 9th. We traded October 10th, which was the rare earth minerals day. And we traded recently. And by the way, they were short the oil markets yesterday when Trump was getting up to the microphone to say, 'We got a gift. We got a great big gift from the Iranians in the Gulf.' I guess they must have let a tanker pass. That high tanker.
