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Founder of Craig Newmark Philanthropies, Craig Newmark Philanthropies

Craig Newmark: The Paul Revere of Cybersecurity (Re-Air)

📅 Apr 01, 2026 Chief Influencer® 36 MIN 52 VIEWS 39 SEGMENTS · 4 SPEAKERS
This week, we’re revisiting our conversation with iconic guest Craig Newmark, founder of Craigslist. How can leadership in cybersecurity help shape the future of national security and public awareness? In this episode of the Chief Influencer Podcast, guest host Liesl Riddle, Dean of George Washington University’s College of Professional Studies, sits down with Craig to explore his ongoing philanthropic work and advocacy in cybersecurity. Often compared to Paul Revere for his efforts to sound the alarm, Craig has been a leading voice in raising awareness around the threats facing America’s di...

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  1. 0:59Craig, would you like to say a couple of words about what your philanthropy is all about?
  2. 5:36So, what are some of your strategies or tactics for influencing stakeholders that get them to pay attention?
  3. 8:31So, what are the key players that need to step up to move cyber security efforts forward?
  4. 10:57When you talk about networks of networks, can you give us some examples of that?
  5. 14:40... I'm curious about you've talked about this importance of securing funding for projects like cyber civil defense, but what's been really the most effective way that you found of really getting people to invest in these kinds of initiatives?
  6. 16:01How do you cut through all the noise that's out there about every given different crisis or other thing that takes our attention away and really get various different stakeholders focused on the objective?
  7. 18:29How well do you think we are doing as a nation in communicating and raising awareness among our youth about the cyber security field and the need?
  8. 20:05What are we doing well and what do you think we need to be doing better?
  9. 23:44So how do you apply that same philosophy to all of these other things that you've done since then?
  10. 26:30It seems like two very different things, but I wonder is there a thread that kind of got you from one universe to the next?
  11. 28:38What's the connection in particular that drew you to this bucket?
  12. 31:43Would you share a little bit with our audience about your thoughts about what makes you different or distinctive as a leader?
Craig Newmark 0:00 ↗
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Anthony Shop 0:24 ↗
Welcome to another episode of Chief Influencer. I'm your host, Anthony Shop, co-founder of Social Driver. Let's face it, Washington is the center of influence in the US and arguably in the world. Chief Influencer features leaders who have figured out how to break through in today's fragmented and fast-changing environment. Social Driver teamed up with the communications board and the George Washington University College of Professional Studies to recognize these incredible leaders as chief influencers and highlight how they inspire and influence others.
Leisel Riddle 0:59 ↗
Welcome everyone to another exciting podcast episode of the Chief Influencer Podcast. I guess you've all noticed that I'm not Anthony Shop. My name is Leisel Riddle and I am the dean of the George Washington University's College of Professional Studies. We are the very proud sponsor of Chief Influencer podcast and Anthony Shaw very kindly asked me to guest host for him today and I couldn't be more excited about doing this because we have such an incredible special guest today. Craig Newmark is joining us. Now, many of you in our audience may know Craig was the founder of Craigslist, which I was so amazed to realize it is going to be 30 years, March 1st, 2025, that Craigslist became available to all of us to use to look for that next greatest thing that we need or have to have in our lives. But not as many of our guests, I think, are as familiar with Craig Newmark's latest work. And that's one of the things we're going to really delve into today, which is Craig Newmark Philanthropy. Craig, would you like to say a couple of words about what your philanthropy is all about?
Craig Newmark 2:15 ↗
Well, I'm an amateur when it comes to the world of philanthropy. I read a lot. I have an idea of what areas need a lot of attention and don't get a lot of attention. I've built networks of networks to advise me, people who are really helping a lot of people in the world, people who are helping protect our country in big ways. And that's where I've decided to focus. I mean, I do have a sense of humor and I love birds. And oh, I have no sense of dignity. So now and then I'll support something because it's funny. Yesterday I had a photo op for Pigeon Rescue. Pigeon Rescue. And you might dig up a glamour photo of me with Margarine, the fancy pigeon. But the deal is, I'm winging it. I have learned some of the things necessary to protect the country. I'm focusing on them, doing what I can. And a lot of that has to do with deferring to people who really know their stuff, heavily funding them, reminding them that they need to communicate better, and then for the most part, I get out of their way.
Leisel Riddle 3:35 ↗
Well, I'm particularly excited to hear more about your thoughts about the cyber security industry. You know, here in the college of professional studies, we have all kinds of students enrolled in our undergraduate and our graduate and certificate programs in cyber security and it is a very fast-changing industry. So, you've mentioned to me before that you kind of see yourself as the Paul Revere of cyber security and I'd love to, you know, being at George Washington University, I'm particularly interested in anything Paul Revere has to say. So, tell us a little bit more about that.
Craig Newmark 4:10 ↗
My deal is that we need to mobilize the whole country. We need to, as individuals, we need to do a better job of protecting ourselves, our families, our homes. We need to do what we can also to protect our jobs and to protect American infrastructure. And in doing all that, we help protect the entire country. Mass mobilization like that means that someone has to get the word out. And so far I seem to be playing the role of Paul Revere. That's a maybe because I don't know if I really want to put on a powdered wig or ride a horse. Horses are, you know, kind of big and smelly and they don't like me. The role I do have is the same as Robert Morris. He was the one who basically financed the war of independence, the revolution. Ironically, not the Robert Morris who created the first internet worm. The missing role, we need someone with serious top-down leadership skills to play the role of George Washington. And I have no idea who that's going to be, but it's not me. And that requires serious social skills. And like, have you met me?
Leisel Riddle 5:36 ↗
Well, I don't know about that, but I do think that you are the kind of person that people look to for the next most important thing we need to focus in on as an entrepreneur, as an innovator, and as an influencer. So, I want to kind of dig into that because I think whether it's Craigslist, whether it's the current work that you're doing, you've had multiple different kinds of stakeholders to reach out to with your message and to get people to kind of think about things in a different way. So, what are some of your strategies or tactics for influencing stakeholders that get them to pay attention?
Craig Newmark 6:14 ↗
I really am a nerd. Seriously, with the obvious dysfunctions relating to social skills. All I know is being very passionate about all the time promoting stuff which really helps the country. And well basically think about what your moral compass is. My moral compass was set by Mr. and Mrs. Levven in Sunday school way back in the late 50s, early 60s. They taught me to treat people like I want to be treated. That means provide good customer service. They taught me to know when enough is enough, which is why Craigslist is monetized minimally. And now and then your brother's keeper or your sister's keeper. Those are a lot of the things I think about influence in business and maybe beyond. For example, if you're treating people like you want to be treated, you do the best customer service you can. Sometimes that's really difficult when your site is mostly free, but you just plug away and do what you can. There's other advice I only learned in 2010 at the West Wing. Valerie Jarrett saw that we were getting hit by a really nasty dirty tricks operation, one which proved to be successful. And she told me that no good deed goes unpunished. And she helped me understand that someone who's basically honest, particularly a technology person who's very honest, will never be able to successfully deal with or confront someone who lies for a living. So those are some of the big lessons I've learned. They're fairly sparse, but the idea is that anyone doing good work needs to be prepared to be hit by very bad people because they have no conscience regarding dirty tricks campaigns and those can do an enormous amount of damage.
Leisel Riddle 8:31 ↗
You mentioned that influencing people isn't just about being a cat herder, but also about empowering those with strong social skills. So, what are the key players that need to step up to move cyber security efforts forward?
Craig Newmark 8:50 ↗
Well, we're working on that now. Cyber security is a team effort in a very, very big way. The only way I've been able to start handling it is by segmenting it with folks. For example, some folks are working on workforce development and I'm preparing to heavily fund efforts which train vets and their spouses for cyber jobs. We need people to support education at the K through 12 levels. Most importantly, I'm trying to fund people to go through a multi-phase, multi-mass mobilization effort, which means being able to explain why we fight and how we fight. Relating to the how we fight part, we need to get serious tool recommendations and approaches to cut through all the confusion about that. And we need to create networks of networks to support critical infrastructure because right now a lot of the small utilities across the country, ones which run infrastructure like water or electricity, they don't know how to protect themselves. And as well as doing the Paul Revere thing, I need to start providing networks of help, networks of resilience because if I just say these utilities aren't getting the job done and we can get all screwed, I need to start providing the solution. Now, I expect mass mobilization will in fact piss off a lot of IT people across the country. But at least I'm trying to generate the solution as well as delivering the message. I just don't want to be the messenger that gets killed.
Leisel Riddle 10:57 ↗
Well, I want to understand this a little bit more deeply. When you talk about networks of networks, can you give us some examples of that?
Craig Newmark 11:05 ↗
Networks of people. For example, right now we have a cyber resilience network focused on infrastructure growing out of this consortium of cyber clinics. Cyber clinics are groups growing around the country where people who are really good at cyber security can help train the people who need to be really good at it. Maybe at nonprofits, maybe at utilities. In addition, they're wrangling together some of the groups, networks of really serious experts in these areas. People involved say at the Franklin Project, University of Chicago, as well as the Undisruptible 27 group which is located through the Institute of Security and Technology. I'm also doing related work still to be fully, well, still to be really developed at Vanderbilt under General Nakasone. So, the networks are coming together. It really needs to be done one with George Washington level skills. And I'm a nerd. I barely have Paul Revere level skills, but like the Batman would say, I'm probably not the nerd you want, but I'm the nerd you got.
Leisel Riddle 12:38 ↗
Well, I have a question related to what you were just saying. You mentioned a lot of university partnerships which of course being a university I think is outstanding. How are those university partnerships interfacing with and collaborating with government agencies and with the private sector?
Craig Newmark 12:58 ↗
These groups are extensively collaborating with state and local level government agencies. At this period of our history, people aren't sure how it's going to shake out at the federal level. I'm just real naive when it comes to Washington and I don't know what to make of Washington. Washington doesn't know what to make of me. So I defer to professionals who are dealing with it. I'm kind of scared of Washington. The idea is this and the theme of the people working on cyber resilience is that if the foreign military starts taking down our water supplies, our power supplies, we're really screwed. So before that happens, we want to encourage everyone, everyone in the country to implement basic cyber precautions and then we got to motivate businesses and utilities to implement the same and a little more. I mean utilities have devices called programmable controllers and others that control things like valves and electrical conduits, that kind of thing. And you know those are not the kind of things that we know of as computer systems but they are electronically connected. Some of those devices which control the flow of water or power, they're right on the internet with no firewall protecting them. And that's not a good day for us.
Leisel Riddle 14:40 ↗
No, not a good day at all. And I think you speak about the difficulty it is to get so many different actors aware but also working together to solve some of these problems. And so, you know, I'm curious about you've talked about this importance of securing funding for projects like cyber civil defense, but what's been really the most effective way that you found of really getting people to invest in these kinds of initiatives?
Craig Newmark 15:12 ↗
I haven't found a good way to get people to invest in it. In previous years the major funders were Omidyar Network and myself. The Omidyar folks have, that project of theirs has ended. Me, I'm going to plug away and this is serious. I'm committed and planning for the next 5 to 20 years. That's a little shaky in that I'm 72. So at 20 years out I may have to conduct due diligence via seance and Ouija boards don't have the bandwidth I need. So in the worst case I may have to come back and haunt people.
Leisel Riddle 16:01 ↗
Well I hope it doesn't come down to that. I think you're laying so much wonderful groundwork and let's hope there's many, many years for that to come. With this as big as this issue is and as many different actors as it really is going to take to collaborate and solve these problems and really better secure America. How do you cut through the noise as an influencer? How do you cut through all the noise that's out there about every given different crisis or other thing that takes our attention away and really get various different stakeholders focused on the objective?
Craig Newmark 16:40 ↗
Well, I'm not a comms guy. That's my great weakness. But I listen to great comms people who talk about flooding the zone with crap. Let's flood the zone with facts. The call to action for cyber security and we just got to do it and do it. And you know the idea is that we just have to remind people that the nation is under threat and everyone needs to protect themselves. Every influencer is a potential target either for someone who's just looking for greater attention, someone who might want to eliminate competition, or someone who wants to infiltrate their systems to launch other attacks. It is a common military attack on the part of the Russian or Chinese military to infiltrate people's systems and use them to attack others because if the attack is immediately originating out of your system, attributing that to a hostile nation becomes a lot harder.
Narrator 18:04 ↗
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