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Governor, Bank of England

WATCH LIVE: BOE Governor Andrew Bailey to speak after rate decision

📅 Apr 30, 2026 CNBC International Live 94 MIN 1324 VIEWS 145 SEGMENTS · 26 SPEAKERS
The Bank of England (BOE) set to announce its interest rate decision Thursday 30 April. Watch our live coverage as we build up to the announcement, followed by the press conference and post-decision commentary all live, right here on CNBC.

Questions asked in this interview

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  1. 51:16Is that what you just said?
  2. 52:31If in June, we are in a world where 126 doesn't look so extreme, do you then have to go into what you say is forceful action and does that include putting a 50 basis point rate hike on the table?
  3. 56:27Are we back in, you know, a 2022 situation where we saw 50 75 basis point rate hikes?
  4. 59:01And with people feeling worse off, isn't it natural that they'll ask for higher pay?
  5. 1:04:40I'll start again can you hear me now?
  6. 1:05:49What would you need to see that pushes you to scenario C and what is that evidence likely to come before the next MPC meeting?
  7. 1:07:19Are you advising about the inflationary impact of potential policies, for example, or should we infer that there's concerns about financial stability impact of what's going on? What's your role there?
  8. 1:11:26Has the outlook got a lot worse over the last week from what we've seen in energy markets?
  9. 1:16:06And I suppose what's your sort of response?
  10. 1:18:39Would you see that as a high cost to reverse that decision?
  11. 1:24:48Now with higher fuel prices adding to inflation, would this 5p increase be particularly ill advised under any of these scenarios?
  12. 1:30:06Do the public sector wages feed into your forecast?
Ian King 0:03 ↗
Welcome to decision time. I'm Ian King. The Bank of England is expected to hold interest rates steady today and, according to economists polled by Reuters, will keep rates unchanged through the rest of the year. Predictions for Bank of England cuts in 2026 were reversed when the war in the Middle East began and UK annual inflation surged to 3.3% in March on the back of rising fuel prices. So with me now is Victoria Clark. She's chief UK economist at corporate and investment banking at Santander. Victoria, very good to see you this morning. I mean, market consensus is no change and an 8-1 vote in favor of that. Is that your expectation?
Victoria Clark 0:37 ↗
Yeah, exactly. I don't think there's any real expectation that the bank's going to do anything today. So, eight of the nine MPC happy with a hold and the one hawk being chief economist Pill who we think will vote to raise rates as soon as today. But the main thing is, you know, what is the vibe on the MPC? How are they feeling about the risk of inflation versus growth and what that tells us about the prospect of rate hikes for the next few meetings?
Ian King 1:03 ↗
And it is a very balanced decision, isn't it? Because if you look at, for example, the flash PMIs for April, I mean, there were some surprisingly signs of resilience almost in the UK economy.
Victoria Clark 1:13 ↗
That's right. So the PMIs certainly look resilient. They suggest that growth has been okay. But there may be that firms have just been getting things done before the energy price and supply chain disruption arrives. And some of the other signals on growth I think are quite weak. I mean I was looking at petrol volumes, petrol sales this morning. That's very weak. So I think there is a growth concern for them to contend with and they've got to balance that against what's going to be quite a big inflation jump as well. So it's not obvious what the right thing to do is.
Ian King 1:44 ↗
Yeah. I mean obviously people will see you mentioned the petrol price there. I mean, people see Brent crude trading at above 120 bucks a barrel. I mean, the MPC really does have to be vigilant about second round effects here, doesn't it?
Victoria Clark 1:56 ↗
It has to be vigilant, but I don't think that the threat is quite as big as it was in 2022, and I think that the jobs market is weaker. There isn't the employee bargaining power. So you get the jump in inflation from the energy shock, but whether that passes through to wages and gets cooked in, I'd be less concerned that that happens this time, not complacent, but I certainly think that there's a little bit less reason to be panicked about that.
Ian King 2:23 ↗
Yeah, I mean the labor market the latest figures there were quite an oddity, weren't they really? Because I mean clearly there's softness in the labor market and the number of vacancies in the economy has really really fallen away over the last couple of years. And yet the headline jobless rate actually came down last time around.
Victoria Clark 2:37 ↗
It did. It came down because people were leaving the labor market in the group of people right at the bottom end the kind of 16 17 year olds. And to me actually that's a sign that it's just been really difficult for them to find work. So I don't view that as a sign of strength. It's, you know, to me this picture that the labor market's struggling for momentum and that I think all helps keep wages down a bit.
Ian King 3:01 ↗
Yeah. But I mean yes. So it's labor force participation essentially. I mean you mentioned wages there. I mean for the public sector they're still growing appreciably stronger than they are in the private sector.
Victoria Clark 3:10 ↗
That's true. They certainly are. So private sector pay growth has been moderating down to rates that are looking more comfortable for the Bank of England. Public sector pay is elevated. I mean there's no other way to look at that data. It is coming lower. And, you know, one of the key questions as we think about how the inflation may or may not get cooked in is what the public sector pay settlements are going to be for this year. So I'll be watching that closely.
Ian King 3:36 ↗
So a bit of fiscal discipline necessary from the chancellor then maybe.
Victoria Clark 3:39 ↗
So yeah, I think that's right.
Ian King 3:41 ↗
Obviously the Bank of England is still engaging in quantitative tightening as well. I mean is there anything that might cause them to put that on hold for the time being?
Victoria Clark 3:48 ↗
I think it would take a very severe episode of, you know, gilt market stress and that the bar for a pause on that seems to be very high and I think if there were some of that what they'd do is step out temporarily rather than on a permanent basis.
Ian King 4:04 ↗
Okay. Well we're moments away now from the decision it should be dropping on the screens at any moment now. So here we go. And there we go. The rate has been maintained at 3 and 3/4% no surprise there in bank rate. Eight in favor of keeping bank rate unchanged and one in favor of a hike. So exactly as you predicted there. Let me see what sterling's doing there. Sterling currently ahead by two-fifths of 1% against the US dollar. As well Victoria no real surprise there as we say.
Victoria Clark 4:41 ↗
No, I think, you know, that was very much the sort of consensus view. There were a few in the market looking for a unanimous and a few that thought maybe we'll get a few more hawkish descents. So I think for the market in a way that's a little bit of a relief outcome against the prospect that the vote itself might have delivered another hawkish shock like we had back at the March MPC. So, you know, for the market a sigh of relief probably.
Ian King 5:07 ↗
Well here we go. I can tell you the monetary policy summary here. This is what the bank is saying. This meeting today, the MPC voted to maintain bank rate at three 3/4%. One member voted to raise to 4%. The conflict in the Middle East means that prospects for global energy prices are highly uncertain. Monetary policy cannot influence energy prices, but will be set to ensure the economic adjustment to them occurs in such a way that achieves the 2% inflation target sustainably. The bank is not changing any of its forecasts at this moment in time. That's interesting. I presume that what you've got there is a kind of range of scenario analysis around that baseline rather than a sort of a base case that you jump onto. But also interesting that they've pointed out that quite explicitly that they can't control the energy price effect. I mean that's telling us that this is very much about the second round effects and that data will probably take a while to come. So that may be an effort to balance the statement too.
Well what they've done Victoria which is quite interesting that it says due to uncertainty caused by the Iran war the Bank of England has moved away from a single forecast in its April monetary policy report and instead produced forecasts for three separate scenarios. So scenario one is the least inflationary. Oil and gas prices follow the paths implied by futures curves and household spending falls by more than would be implied by the historical relationship with real incomes. Scenario B, energy prices peak at similar levels to scenario A but remain higher. Household spending behavior remains unchanged. Inflation peaks at a little over 3 and a half% at the end of 2026. So that's the scenario in both those forecasts. Scenario C, most inflationary energy prices rise more rapidly than in scenario AB stay higher for a prolonged period. Inflation peaks at more than 6% in early 2027 and to around two and a half% above its target at the end of the scenario in three years time. Bank rates would need to be materially higher than financial markets expect in the 15 days to April the 22nd. So the bank, I mean talk about hedging your bets.
Victoria Clark 7:19 ↗
Yes. Yeah. I mean it's a sensible thing to do though. I mean the main thing at the moment is they don't know where oil is. So everybody has the information on how they might respond if oil moves to different paths. So you take your judgment on the geopolitical situation and from that you've got some information on the reaction function. I think to do anything else to have a strong baseline view would have risked sending a signal that there's some crystal ball that they have that we don't have. So yeah, I mean, you know, it's a pragmatic way of managing markets, you know, markets getting carried away.
Ian King 7:54 ↗
Yes. Obviously, the governor, Andrew Bailey and his colleagues will be facing the media at 12:30 and you can watch that on the CNBC YouTube channel, of course, live and uninterrupted coverage of that. But interestingly I guess most of the media are going to highlight on that third scenario, the notion that headline rate of inflation remains above 6% and is still above target rate 3 years out from now.
Victoria Clark 8:17 ↗
Yeah, I would have thought so. I mean, it's actually not too dissimilar from my severe scenario, which again has that 6% and I think if you've got inflation moving through six, I mean, it's going to be very difficult to do anything other than that. You wouldn't maintain your credibility without hiking into that scenario. The question in that scenario is how long do you stay at those higher rates because of course demand will be weakening quickly. You'd expect them to come forward with cuts at some point thereafter.
Ian King 8:46 ↗
What do you think they mean by bank rate being materially higher than the current level?
Victoria Clark 8:50 ↗
I mean, look, how long's a piece of string? Obviously 375 I think is a bit restrictive. I mean, you're probably talking about them pushing up back towards, you know, the peak that they had not too long ago. So certainly, you know, through four and a half, maybe towards 5% bank rate, that sort of restrictiveness there. But look, the question is for how long. It may be that you want to send a sharp signal that this is important, get those inflation expectations down, and then hope you can lower rates again quickly.
Ian King 9:21 ↗
Yeah. So, you've modeled a scenario of 6% inflation. What are the other effects on the economy around that? What happens to the jobless rate, for example?
Victoria Clark 9:30 ↗
Yeah. So, look, in that severe shock scenario, unemployment continues to rise through the end of the year. You know, we've got it, well, on the latest figures, it actually dipped towards 5%. So, it's back up towards six in that scenario. The economy is, as you would imagine, weak. I mean, look, we've got a sort of mild recession in that scenario. And so, what you're seeing is you're doing a sort of aggressive front up action to say, let's not lock in this inflation. But then you notice the kind of weakening economy and you're moving into reverse quite quickly.
Ian King 10:04 ↗
Yeah. Under your modeling then with inflation at above 6%. Does the UK avoid a recession? What happens to GDP?
Victoria Clark 10:11 ↗
No. In that scenario you have a mild recession in our analysis. That's right.
Ian King 10:16 ↗
Right. And well that is deeply and for how long would recession last under your modeling?
Victoria Clark 10:22 ↗
Yeah. I mean, it's a relatively moderate recession, but you know, when you've got an energy squeeze and tightening monetary policy, you know, the bank's having to deliver the economy the painful medicine, but you know, the reality is if they didn't do that, you'd have inflation running higher for longer and, you know, the economy would get squeezed even more. So, it is a very tricky situation. Let's hope we don't end up there.
Ian King 10:44 ↗
I mean, you're obviously from the investment banking arm of Santander, but your parent company, of course, is the UK's second largest mortgage lender. What happens to house prices under the scenario you've sketched out?
Victoria Clark 10:54 ↗
Look, in that scenario you're going to find that the mortgage market, the housing market is somewhat weaker but the bank will hope that the medicine doesn't need to stay in too long. I mean that is about doing the right thing to manage the inflation squeeze so that they can hopefully bring rates lower and not have to continue to inflict long-term pain. It's a really challenging situation but I think that they're trying to balance all of these things out.
Ian King 11:22 ↗
Okay, Victoria, great to have you with us today. Thank you very much indeed. Well, Rita is outside the Bank of England. She's been in the lock-in already and she has a good deal more for us now. So, Ritica, no real surprises, but interesting that they've come up with these three different forecasts.
Ritica 11:38 ↗
Yeah, absolutely, Ian. As you mentioned, the Bank of England voting to leave interest rates steady at 3.75%. So, this was expected. The vote split was 8 to one to hold with Hugh Pill being the one to advocate for that higher interest rate hike of 25 basis points. But the decision to leave interest rates unchanged that comes despite the material energy shock stemming from the Middle East war that has pushed up inflation expectations even as it slowed the outlook for economic growth in the economy. So the central bank has acknowledged that it needs to balance up the risks of doing too little to reacting too much. Now the MPC says that it does see a material risk of second order effects from prices and wage setting but that continued weakness and slack in the labor market and a weaker economy could help to contain inflation pressures. Of course a lot will depend on how high oil prices go and the duration as one. And it's important to note as well that this report was written before the oil prices shot up today. Now the updated forecast as you mentioned that these are the first since the Iran war broke out. So really critical to gauge into the Bank of England's thinking but the Bank of England has put forward three possible scenarios that could depict the range of outcomes for the UK economy. Now compared to the central forecasts or projections in February, all three scenarios do point to higher inflation and the need for tighter monetary policy. The question though is how much? Now in the worst case scenario, they see inflation rising to 2.9% in 3 years. And the models would then need showing that they would need a much tighter monetary policy with a bank rate of about five and a quarter percent. Now the Bank of England has also acknowledged that financial conditions have tightened significantly since then. If you look at markets they are now pricing in three rate hikes. This is after energy prices shot up today that 10-year gilt yield above 5%. So again it's acknowledged that monetary policy needs to be tighter. The question is how much the Bank of England itself would need to do. And so that leads to the result of the monetary policy holding rates steady at 3.75% as they assess that and the latest developments in the Middle East. Ian.
Ian King 14:07 ↗
Yes, you talking about gilt yields, Rita. The viewers have been looking at what's happening to 10-year gilts slightly off six basis points whilst we've been talking, but still comfortably ahead of 5%. I mean obviously Ritica the MPC will be haunted by its experience of 2022 when in common with a lot of other central banks they were deemed not to have tightened monetary policy rapidly enough. Have they said much in the report about the differences between now and 2022?
Ritica 14:37 ↗
Yes, Ian that is one thing that they did refer to because that has been a common sort of comparison the last time we had the energy shock back in 2022. The difference that they outlined this time is that financial conditions are already significantly tighter since then. You saw that 10-year gilt yield is above 5% and also the labor market has a lot more slack to it than it was in 2022. So they believe that that will dampen those second order effects that the concern for the Bank of England and so that's why they're going to wait and assess to see how it develops of course on the energy price front.
Ian King 15:17 ↗
Good. Thanks for that. Much appreciated. I'll let you get back into the Bank of England building directly behind you. Thanks for that. Well, the Bank of England Governor Andrew Bailey will be speaking to the media at 12 London time. You can catch his remarks in full on the CNBC International Live YouTube page, live and uninterrupted. Well, there's plenty more central bank action to come here on CNBC from 1:00 London time, 2:00 Central European time. We will be bringing you live coverage of the European Central Bank's decision. But that's it for Bank of England decision time. We'll hand you back now to our colleague state.
Katie 34:39 ↗
Hi everybody, thanks for being here. Welcome to the April Monetary Policy Report press conference. With us today are Claire Lombardelli, deputy governor for monetary policy, Dave Ramsden, deputy governor for markets and banking, and the governor Andrew Bailey. Andrew will begin with opening remarks and then we'll turn to questions. Andrew.
Andrew Bailey 34:58 ↗
No, thank you Katie. Well today we've held bank rate at 3.75%. The conflict in the Middle East has significantly affected the outlook for UK inflation. The disruption the conflict has caused to energy supplies has led to a sharp rise in global energy prices. CPI inflation increased to 3.3% in March and is likely to be higher later this year. Monetary policy cannot prevent higher global energy prices from affecting the UK economy and inflation. Our job is to set monetary policy to make sure that the effects of the shock do not become embedded into broad-based inflationary pressures so that inflation falls back to the 2% target and stays there. So, I'll now set out how we expect higher energy prices to affect consumer price inflation before turning to the appropriate monetary policy response and the scenarios that have informed the monetary policy committee's decision today. As I will explain, where we go from here will depend on the size and duration of the shock to energy prices. It's self-driven by how the conflict in the Middle East evolves and how those higher energy prices affect consumer prices in the United Kingdom more broadly. Chart one, which has just come up, shows 12 month inflation in the consumer price index since the start of 2024. That's the blue line alongside our updated expectations for the rest of the year there in the shaded area. Before hostilities broke out in Iran in February, inflation was on track to fall to around the 2% target from April. That's the red line. Recent data releases covering the period immediately before the conflict began suggest this expectation was reasonable. We now project that inflation will rise to a little over three and a half% by the end of the year. This change in the inflation outlook is a direct consequence of the conflict in the Middle East. Chart two shows the scale of the increases in global oil and gas prices. Volatility has been high and the future path of oil and gas prices will depend on how the situation in the Middle East evolves. Uncertainty around any projection of UK inflation is correspondingly high. Higher global oil and gas prices have a direct effect on UK consumer price inflation. Chart three shows how these direct effects have changed the outlook for inflation since February. The prices of fuels moved quickly as global oil prices rose. And higher prices for petrol and diesel have already pushed inflation up relative to our expectations before the conflict, that's the green bars. Household utility bills, that's the orange bars, will follow, and will mostly be affected when OffGEM's next energy price cap for the third quarter takes effect. At this horizon, higher energy costs will also feed through indirectly to consumer prices as firms pass higher costs through their supply chains. That's the purple bars. At first, the indirect effects on the inflation are likely to be largest for food prices since food production and distribution are energy intensive. Further ahead, lower supply and higher prices of fertilizers may also push up on food price inflation through higher costs and lower yields for UK farmers and across the world. There is nothing monetary policy can do to prevent these cost increases from affecting UK businesses and households. The longer the conflict in the Middle East continues, the worse the impact will become. A resolution at the source reopening the Strait of Hormuz and repairing the damage that has been done to the world's energy infrastructure can however reduce the impact of this negative supply shock to our economy. The task for monetary policy is to ensure that as the adjustment to the supply shock happens, inflation returns sustainably to the 2% target. The 2% target applies at all times, but the Monetary Policy Committee's remit recognizes that attempting to bring inflation back to the target too quickly after a shock like this may cause undesirable volatility in output. Monetary policy must manage a trade-off between the speed with which it brings inflation back to target and the consideration that should be placed on the variability of output. Monetary policy generally looks through the direct effect of energy prices on inflation. It takes time for changes in interest rates to affect the economy and inflation. So the direct effects from an energy price shock may disappear from headline inflation before monetary policy can take effect. In that case, higher interest rates would only push inflation below target once the energy price shock had passed, resulting in undesirable volatility in both inflation and activity. Even if the lags in the effects of interest rate changes were shorter, offsetting the direct effect of an energy price shock would require pushing down core inflation by generating additional slack in the economy. Looking through the direct effects of an energy price shock avoids such output volatility as the MPC's remit allows for. The remit also indicates that the MPC should manage a trade-off when considering how much to lean against the indirect effects from an energy price shock on inflation. But because they take longer to come through, the argument for looking through the indirect effects is weaker. Monetary policy can look through some of the inflationary impact from indirect effects to avoid undesirable volatility in output. But protracted indirect effects could keep inflation above target for too long unless monetary policy responds. So by leaning against indirect effects, monetary policy may also reduce the risk that higher inflation becomes embedded through higher inflation expectations and second round effects. Second round effects could arise, for example, if a rise in inflation expectations leads workers to bargain more strongly for wage increases and firms raise wages to maintain real pay for their employees, which in turn would increase their costs and could lead them to set higher prices. Monetary policy should not look through such effects, but the size of any second round effects in addition to the direct and indirect effects is highly uncertain. On the one hand, the larger and more persistent the energy shock is and the more inflation expectations respond to current inflation, the more likely it is that second round effects arise. And inflation expectations have risen sharply in response to the current energy price shock. Repeated high inflation episodes over the past 5 years may have raised people's attentiveness to price increases. On the other hand, the strength of second round effects will depend on conditions in the labor market and the pricing power of firms given the state of the economy. The UK labor market has loosened and that trend has continued in recent months. This suggests that workers will be more cautious in wage bargaining. At the same time, firms may find it difficult to pass on cost increases to their customers given subdued demand. Higher fuel and utility bills will themselves weigh on consumer demand for other goods and services through lower real incomes and weaker consumer sentiment. The uncertainty of the situation is likely to weigh further on firms investment intentions. In addition to being highly uncertain, second round effects build more slowly than direct and indirect effects. That leaves monetary policy with a difficult judgment call because interest rate changes take time to take their effect. Monetary policy cannot wait for conclusive evidence of the strength of second round effects. But responding too early may generate undesirable volatility in output and inflation may drop below the 2% target in the medium term if second round effects turn out to be smaller than anticipated. To inform its policy deliberations, the MPC has considered three scenarios for possible outcomes for the UK economy and inflation over the next three years. These scenarios illustrate that the path for inflation conditional on a market implied path for bank rates in a 15-day window up to the 22nd of April depends crucially on both the size of the energy shock and the extent of second round effects. Chart four illustrates the assumed paths for oil and gas prices in each of the scenarios. In scenario A, oil and gas prices are assumed to follow market futures curves based on the 15-day working day average to the 22nd of April over the next three years. That's the yellow lines. In scenario B, oil and gas prices follow market futures for six months and an average of the futures curve and a constant price thereafter. That's the purple line. This assumption reflects a more cautious view of the duration of the conflict and the time it will take to restore energy supplies through the Strait of Hormuz than implied by current market prices. Scenario C goes further to reflect the risk of a continued substantial disruption to supplies through the strait, pushing oil prices to $130 a barrel and gas prices to 210p per therm and remaining higher than in scenario A and B for the entire projection period. In scenario A, there are no second round effects. In part because the energy shock is relatively short-lived and in part because it is assumed that workers bargaining power and firms pricing power are too weak for such effects to occur given slack in the labor market and subdued demand. Moreover, demand falls disproportionately more than would normally be assumed to reflect weak consumer sentiment after another supply shock. In scenario B, with a more cautious view of how the conflict may play out, the energy price shock is large and persistent enough to lead to modest second round effects under the assumption that workers bargaining and firms pricing powers are only slightly affected by the slack in the economy. Consumption responds broadly in proportion to what would normally be assumed in projections after an energy price shock. In this scenario, scenario C is more severe. The energy price shock is large and very persistent. And I would emphasize here the persistence in this scenario and global supply chain cost pressures intensify. Inflation expectations respond strongly to continued elevated inflation and firms are assumed to have sufficient pricing power for higher wages and costs to feed through more fully to consumer prices, resulting in materially stronger second round effects. Chart five shows the paths of inflation and the output gap. That's a measure of slack in the economy conditional on a market implied path for bank rates based on a 15-day average of forward interest rates to the 22nd of April along with the central projection from February. In scenario A, that's the yellow lines, inflation falls back quickly once direct and indirect effects have fed through. As the energy shock unwinds and energy prices fall again while economic slack persists, inflation falls below the target at the end of next year. In scenario B, energy prices fall back more slowly and CPI inflation remains elevated for longer. Inflation then returns gradually to 2% by the second and third year of the projection, but with spare capacity in the economy. In scenario C, persistently high energy prices and second round effects combine to push inflation above 6% with inflation ending the forecast rise and above the 2% target. A materially tighter policy stance than embodied in the market implied path for bank rate would therefore likely be necessary in scenario C to counter second round effects to ensure that inflation returns sustainably to the 2% target in the medium term. But that is not the case in the other scenarios. As chart six shows, five different illustrative policy rules all point to higher interest rates now than they did in February given the change in energy prices across all scenarios. But the market implied path of bank rate has also moved higher by about 55 basis points measured by the 15-day average of forward interest rates to the 22nd of April compared to the corresponding path to the 26th of January from the February report. Since in February, market pricing was expecting rates to fall by around 40 basis points this year, the chart shows that for scenarios A and B, the illustrative interest rate responses would largely be accommodated by reversing out these assumed cuts without further increasing rates. But this would not be the case in scenario C. Since the end of the 22nd of April, oil prices have risen by more than 20%. Gas prices have risen by 8%. And the market implied path for bank rate has moved higher by up to 35 basis points. But if we think back to early on the 8th of April, we saw similarly sized falls in energy prices and the path of bank rate the day after the announcement of a US Iran ceasefire. This volatility illustrates the unpredictability of the current situation as the markets are trying to assess the implications of the events and commentaries as they unfold. And I would just add for noting that the range on the Brent oil price this morning is over $10 a barrel. So that further illustrates the volatility that we're in. Given the sheer unpredictability and drawing on the evidence from scenario B, there's a good case for holding rates now. But we must recognize that a prolonged spike in energy prices as in scenario C could lead to a higher bank rate while also recognizing that a prompt end to the conflict and a reopening of the strait can take us to the more benign scenario as in scenario A. So let me summarize. The MPC's decision to hold bank rate today is based on two key judgments. First, the continued weakness in activity on the labor market is likely to lessen the strength of second round effects from higher global energy prices. But these effects are likely to be stronger the larger and more persistent is the rising global energy prices. Second, that uncertainty about the strength of second round effects means that monetary policy needs to balance the costs of leaning too little against these effects against the costs of responding too much. The right balance is likely to change depending on how events unfold. The situation remains highly uncertain. We will continue to monitor the situation in the Middle East and how it affects the UK economy and inflation very closely. This includes the size and duration of the energy price shock and its direct effects on UK inflation. It includes the state of the UK economy and how higher costs of energy and other inputs to production pass through to consumer prices. And it includes the potential for second round effects of our wage and price setting drawing on the full range of sources from economic data over surveys of firms and households and intelligence from our agents. I'm sorry that's taken a bit longer than usual but as you can see there are more scenarios and more to explain. So with that Claire, Dave and I will be happy to take your questions. Thank you.
Katie 51:11 ↗
Go to Faisal and then Marine please.
Faisal 51:16 ↗
Thanks Governor. Can you just clarify in scenario A or B? So essentially that the oil price the uncertainty underlying in the geopolitics but that it may not necessarily require a rate rise. Is that what you just said?
Andrew Bailey 51:32 ↗
Yeah. So look obviously as the thing about using policy rules is that there are a whole range of policy rules and you can get a whole range of answers. But as the chart I showed a few minutes ago illustrates and bearing in mind this point that there was 55 basis points of cuts assumed before as this set of events started. You know the conclusion from that analysis is that there is a good deal of room to accommodate the type of tightening that would be needed in A or B within that range of 55 basis points. And of course the curve has moved to reflect that. So I can't give you a cast iron assurance that therefore there will be no increase in any scenario or any of those scenarios. But what I can say to you is that there is a good deal of space was available to accommodate that.
Katie 52:26 ↗
Marine and then Paul.
Marine 52:31 ↗
Marine Khan from the Times. Just on the flip side, it looks like, you know, this week, scenario C, which is your most extreme scenario, severe scenario, looks much closer to where we might be at. There has been a huge swing in oil prices, but we hit the 126 mark today. If in June, we are in a world where 126 doesn't look so extreme, do you then have to go into what you say is forceful action and does that include putting a 50 basis point rate hike on the table?
Andrew Bailey 53:02 ↗
Can I make three points on that Marine and Claire may want to come in and the three points are these. First of all, scenario C as I mentioned earlier is a very persistent scenario. So the oil price remains above $100 a barrel through to the end of next year. So that's a key part of scenario C. It's not just where the price is today. That's the first point. Second point is that gas prices don't respond as much as oil prices. The third part is just to reiterate what I said slightly ad libbing a few moments ago. I mean this morning, you know, if we'd had this discussion at, you know, 9:00 this morning, we were looking at a Brent price well over $120 a barrel. Well, I don't know what it is now, but when I walked into the room, it was over $10 a barrel or lower than that. So, that illustrates the volatility of prices. As the MPC, we just cannot stop the music at a particular point in time and say that's it for all time because it is so volatile.
Claire Lombardelli 54:05 ↗
Yeah. I mean, the only thing I'd add is just to make explicit that point that we've set out three illustrative scenarios. They're not exhaustive. They're there to explain basically and show how the economy may evolve and how policy might need to react to those. But it's quite likely that the world won't be like, you know, in any of those precisely. And so this is to give a sense of as I say how it will flow through the economy potentially and our reaction function.
Katie 54:30 ↗
Paul and then Sue.
Paul Kelso 54:33 ↗
Paul Kelso, Sky News. Governor, a question about scenario C, what you might call the worst case scenario you set out today. Consumers will see potential inflation at 6.2%, interest rates at above 5% again. And they have very recent memories of what that feels like. We've had extraordinarily high inflation from which many households haven't recovered. And I suppose the question many will have is what they're looking for is a sense from you of how likely is that to come to pass?
Andrew Bailey 55:02 ↗
Well, going back to the point I made in response to Marine's question. The sheer volatility of what we're looking at makes it I think very hard to put probabilities on things. This is one of the problems we're dealing with. So, you know, we've been very careful not to put probabilities on these scenarios because it moves around too much. I think the point I would make though and I think reiterate something I said earlier this is very important. The longer this general state goes on the more difficult it becomes. Yeah, I'm afraid that is something we can sort of fairly easily deduce. So look through the volatility. The longer this problem goes on and the longer the disruption to energy supplies goes on, other things equal, it's likely that therefore energy prices will stay higher and the more difficult the scenario we're in.
Claire Lombardelli 55:56 ↗
But the one thing I would add is the numbers that in that scenario show what happens under the market path. So assume the market path. If we were in a scenario where we saw much higher inflationary pressures like that, we would of course have to take policy action to lean against them. And so that would bring inflation down.
Katie 56:14 ↗
Sue in the middle and then Joel at the top there.
Sue Chan 56:27 ↗
Thank you. Sue Chan from the Telegraph. Just following on from what Marine asked, if we are in a situation where oil prices remain persistently high, what does forceful look like? Are we back in, you know, a 2022 situation where we saw 50 75 basis point rate hikes?
Unknown 56:42 ↗
When will you have enough info to help you decide that rate hikes might be needed?
Andrew Bailey 56:49 ↗
I'm not going to put numbers on what forceful looks like other than to say I think the point was made very deliberately to say that if we see that type of very difficult scenario emerging, then it's important that we obviously do respond quickly to it. But I don't think it's wise to put numbers on it.
Your question is a very good question. When will we see it? And it goes back to something I said in my opening remarks. The challenge for us, and this is the second round effect point, because judging second rounds is crucial here. Now, of course, the problem is that the second round effects emerge much more slowly and that's in the nature of it really because they're the sort of the follow-on if you like. And it would be a mistake to wait to see the second round effects before acting because then it would be too late. So it's by way of saying it's a judgment that we will have to make at every meeting and this is why I stressed right at the end of my remarks that we will be looking at a very broad range of evidence, some of which will be quantitative but some of which will be qualitative based particularly on what our agents are telling us as to how it is affecting the economy. And I would say from my visits around the country and I'll be out and about tomorrow, we do start in a position where firms very typically say they have been experiencing difficulty in passing costs on. But obviously as this shock is a new feature, that was the sort of the ex-ante state if you like. Obviously they're now faced with an abrupt energy price shock and so we will have to then judge carefully how they both can and do respond to it.
Claire Lombardelli 58:23 ↗
Just on that, if I can just add in terms of one way of thinking of the scenarios, there are two dimensions to them. One, as Andrew's been emphasizing, is the persistence of energy prices and the second dimension is the strength of second round effects. The persistence of energy prices will obviously be more and more apparent as time goes past. The extent of second round effects will be much more of a judgment as the evidence emerges over time.
Andrew Bailey 58:58 ↗
Joel up at the back there and then Sam.
Joel Hills 59:01 ↗
Joel Hills from ITV News. Given that a key judgment is on higher prices and how they feed through and create second round effects, what exactly will you be watching over the weeks ahead to form that judgment? And with people feeling worse off, isn't it natural that they'll ask for higher pay?
Andrew Bailey 59:26 ↗
Well, let me turn it in two parts. On the first part, what I did was set out very deliberately a sort of in a sense a sequence of things that you look for. So, you start obviously with the first round effects, which are energy prices themselves. Then we talked about indirect effects, which is how it passes through into the cost of production of other things. And I did put quite an emphasis on food because I think one of the things we learned four years ago was what a considerable share of the cost of final food is energy. Processed food is energy. So that's important. And I also emphasize food because energy and food are the two most salient things in the consumption basket really for people because they're the things we buy most often and most regularly and we can compare prices more easily from time to time therefore. And then you get the second round effect. So those in terms of what will we be watching, those will be the things we'll be watching. On wage setting, wages are set in labor markets. Let me make an important point here. Labor markets at the moment are functioning efficiently. There's no reason in any of the very considerable analysis that our staff do on the labor markets to think that pay is being set inefficiently. Now, it will be some time before we really do get a read on pay and the reason is the seasonal cycle of pay setting because most pay settlements, a large part of the pay settlements, are done in spring. So, we've actually passed through that period for this year.
You're probably immediately going to compare that back to things I said four years ago. And I would just make the following point. Coming out of COVID, the labor market was much less efficient. It was not functioning as well. A lot of work our staff did on job matching was showing there had been a real increase in the inefficiency of the labor market in that sense. But we're not in that place today. Wages will be set in markets.
Sam right there and Josia.
Thanks very much, Governor. You put in your statement some weight on scenario B. I think that in terms of the inflation forecast based on the market curve going into the meeting, that puts inflation on target at 2% along the inflation horizon but that implied market curve at least a couple of rate increases. That was the curve at the time which generated that forecast. So, is it reasonable therefore to expect some tightening from here under scenario B? And the minutes themselves put a lot of weight on tighter market conditions, taking some insurance out in terms of adverse inflation outcomes, but at what point do you need to actually validate the tightening in the financial markets by raising interest rates?
Andrew Bailey 1:02:16 ↗
Well, I claim as well on the final point. Let me start on scenario B. One of the reasons that I think there's one element of scenario B that is more plausible than scenario A and that's the energy price profile. And particularly probably the gas price profile because the market curve which is scenario A I think does assume that let's say let's be very optimistic for a moment and say the conflict is over tomorrow. It assumes quite a rapid return to pre-existing supply conditions. Now that's not really consistent with what we hear and I'm sure you hear from people who have looked at the damage for instance that was done to the gas production infrastructure in Qatar for instance where I think the view that we hear is look it is going to take a while to repair that there's some pretty key parts for damage. So scenario B in part is motivated by building that into the assumption.
Claire Lombardelli 1:03:25 ↗
Now on the point you raise about interest rates, the right decision today is to hold but it's an active hold in that sense. It's not a passive wait and see hold. It's a deliberately active hold because as I said earlier in response to the earlier question there's a range of scenarios in our view where the headroom we'd got, because let's say it's quite clear that the prospect of cuts which we were after all talking about at this press conference three months ago is not on the table now, that headroom could take it up but we can't give you any assurance on that front.
Andrew Bailey 1:03:59 ↗
Did you want to add?
Claire Lombardelli 1:04:01 ↗
Not only to add, as we've mentioned we haven't put probabilities on these scenarios you couldn't for obvious reasons so different members will think differently about how they want to weigh the risks of higher inflation, more persistent scenario and whether or not they want to adjust policy in response to it.
Andrew Bailey 1:04:22 ↗
Josia who's right in the middle there, yeah and then Suban.
Josia 1:04:29 ↗
Central banking. So my question is just with regard to Alan Taylor's comment that given neutral 3%...

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