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Former Executive Chairman of the Board, Williams Companies Inc

The Honorable Alan Armstrong at The Energy Future Forum 2026

📅 May 07, 2026 National Center for Energy Analytics 25 MIN 27 SEGMENTS · 2 SPEAKERS
The Honorable Alan Armstrong, U.S. Senator from Oklahoma With Scott W. Tinker, PhD From Production to Policymaking - What ...

What Alan Armstrong said

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Alan Armstrong, former Williams Companies executive and now appointed U.S. Senator from Oklahoma, discussed his primary goal of achieving meaningful permitting reform during his short term. He detailed the key issues: the 401 water quality certificate as a weapon to block projects, the need to change the judicial standard from arbitrary and capricious to clear and convincing evidence, and preventing courts from vacating certificates after projects are built. He cited Williams' billion-dollar pipeline project that was vacated by the DC Circuit. Armstrong identified three barriers: Senate Majority Leader Schumer's interest, committee jurisdiction disputes between ENR and EPW, and House opposition to federal siting authority for transmission lines. He linked permitting reform to affordability, noting self-inflicted price spreads in California and New England. He was surprised by procedural inefficiency in the Senate, like the eight-hour vote-a-rama.

Key takeaways

  1. Armstrong's sole focus is meaningful permitting reform, not just passing a bill, and he took the Senate seat only after believing it could be achieved.
  2. The 401 water quality certificate is the primary weapon used to block linear projects, and it must be addressed squarely in any reform.
  3. Courts should not be able to vacate certificates after a project is built, as happened to Williams' billion-dollar pipeline.
  4. Three barriers to reform: Schumer's interest, committee jurisdiction disputes, and House opposition to federal transmission siting authority.

Numbers and commitments

FigureWhat it refers toTypeAt
90-day Leave for chief of staff Lane Wilson from Williams timeline 1:52
12 miles Length of a West Virginia transmission project held up metric 17:49
43 to six Decline in number of refineries in California metric 20:38
8 hours Duration of a Senate vote-a-rama metric 23:30

Chapters

  1. 0:00Senate appointment and motivation
  2. 1:36Permitting reform as primary goal
  3. 5:16Details of permitting issues
  4. 13:20Barriers to reform
  5. 17:49Action items for stakeholders
  6. 20:24Permitting reform and affordability
  7. 23:11Surprises in the Senate

Questions asked in this interview

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  1. 0:45So, how do you get so lucky?
  2. 1:36Tell us about it and how's it going?
  3. 5:16What needs to change for it to actually accomplish something?
  4. 12:58I mean, three big issues. Do we have a chance?
  5. 17:35What would be the most effective thing for folks to do to help get this over the wall?
  6. 20:24How does addressing permitting reform help with affordability?
  7. 23:11What has surprised you the most when something you completely didn't expect and have seen playing out now?
Interviewer 0:00 ↗
Ago, we were sitting here and I was interviewing you about pipelines in the midstream, I think, and you were running Williams and I was nobody. And now you're a senator and I'm still nobody.
Alan Armstrong 0:12 ↗
Hardly. It's good to have you back.
Interviewer 0:15 ↗
Yeah. Thank you, Senator. And thank you for doing this.
Alan Armstrong 0:17 ↗
It's very strange to me. There's a lot of my friends that would take real issue with the term honorable in front of my name there. So, we're going with it. We all think so.
Interviewer 0:27 ↗
Appointed senator from the great state of Oklahoma and gubernatorial appointment. Congratulations.
Alan Armstrong 0:33 ↗
Thank you.
Interviewer 0:34 ↗
And understand that that comes with the stipulation that you will only serve out the term of the former senator which ends at the end of this calendar year.
Alan Armstrong 0:44 ↗
Yes. Correct.
Interviewer 0:45 ↗
So, how do you get so lucky? You get to go to Washington without a campaign and just do what you want to do for eight months.
Alan Armstrong 0:52 ↗
Yeah. You know, it is pretty liberating and it hits on you when you're in this situation when you're in midterms and you realize how much energy and attention is paid to people's campaigns, to what they say and how that's going to affect their election. So, it's pretty, you know, that has been impressed on me kind of watching that. But it's super, you know, liberating being in my shoes where I'm one, I'm not having to spend the time and energy on that and two, you know, I'm not worried about, you know, what somebody's going to accuse me of in the process of trying to get something done. So, it's pretty liberating, actually.
Interviewer 1:36 ↗
Yeah. I know we probably all like to hear some insights from the Hill, but you know, let's hit this our primary topic first, and I think it's been teed up already this morning. You went took this job with an intention. Tell us about it and how's it going?
Alan Armstrong 1:52 ↗
Yeah, you know, this would it first of all, this went pretty fast in terms of a call from the governor asking for me to meet with him and then asking me if I would be willing to, which was a couple of weeks before he called me a day before and said, 'Hey, I've decided it's you and you need to meet with Trump and then we'll swear you in on Tuesday.' And that was a Saturday. So, that all went pretty fast after, you know, a period of it being quiet. But during that time and in terms of considering it, I really made some calls around to people to say, 'Do you actually think we could get some meaningful permitting reform done?' Because if not, I don't really think I'm the right person to take the job. Plenty of other people really good to take the job. The governor, you know, I will say to his credit, has been really making permitting reform an important priority for the National Governor's Association that he leads. And so, it's nice to see the governor's understanding how important permitting reform is. But truly that was what compelled me was believing that there is a good chance that we could actually get some permitting reform done. And my role is not to, you know, I'm not interested in just saying we got permitting reform done. I'm only interested in making sure that it's actually meaningful and pragmatic and actually solves some problems because we've seen a lot of bills come out, a lot of attempts come out that really don't address that. And it's not because people aren't well intended. It's just that you have a plethora of, you know, that's one of the things that's really impressed me as well is how much the staffs run things around there. And you know, with all due respect, they haven't been out there getting their heads beat in and their noses bloodied in trying to get things permitted. So, they're extremely well intended and very smart, you know, and very bright people to work with, but being able to lay out here's the problem with that. Here's why we need to do it this way is great. The staff that we've been able to attract to this is fantastic. Lane Wilson, who is my chief of staff, is on a 90-day leave from his role as general counsel at Williams and he also was a federal judge before that. So he has seen these things from both the bench as well as at the company level. And he's attracted because there's a lot of people that have been beating their head against this around DC. A lot of young energetic folks that have joined the staff as well. So, it is a kind of a one-track effort and I'm trying to make sure that we don't let a lot of the other issues that are to be dealt with distract us from being able to actually keep the pressure on getting something done on this.
Interviewer 5:16 ↗
Let's get granular with it a little bit. Senator, where does the bill sit now? And then what are some of the misunderstandings about what that will accomplish? What needs to change for it to actually accomplish something? Help us take us in.

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Armstrong, A. (2026, May 7). The Honorable Alan Armstrong at The Energy Future Forum 2026 [Interview transcript]. National Center for Energy Analytics. CEOInterviews.AI. https://ceointerviews.ai/interview/897762/

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Alan Armstrong. "The Honorable Alan Armstrong at The Energy Future Forum 2026." National Center for Energy Analytics, 7 May. 2026. Transcript, CEOInterviews.AI, https://ceointerviews.ai/interview/897762/.

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@misc{armstrong2026_897762,
  author       = {Alan Armstrong},
  title        = {The Honorable Alan Armstrong at The Energy Future Forum 2026},
  howpublished = {Interview transcript, National Center for Energy Analytics. CEOInterviews.AI},
  year         = {2026},
  month        = {may},
  url          = {https://ceointerviews.ai/interview/897762/},
  note         = {Speaker-attributed transcript with timestamps}
}