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Stephen Kaufer
Former President & Chief Executive Officer, TRIPADVISOR INC

Steve Kaufer Sharing Parting Marketplace Advice

🎥 Jul 16, 2024 📺 Everything Marketplaces ⏱ 6m 👁 56 views
Highlight clip from the Everything Marketplaces Group Chat #165 (7/16) with Steve Kaufer, who's the Co-founder & former CEO of Tripadvisor. Tripadvisor is an early travel marketplace that’s scaled to now being one of the largest with over 1 billion reviews on their platform. Tripadvisor was acquired by IAC, merged with Expedia, and went on to IPO, which Steve led as the CEO until 2022.‍ Group chat recording:    • Starting & Scaling Tripadvisor With Steve ...   Steve on Twitter:   / kaufer   Tripadvisor: https://www.tripadvisor.com Give Freely: https://www.givefreely.com Mike (Yoroomie) on Tw...
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About Stephen Kaufer

In a recent interview, Stephen Kaufer discussed the early challenges of building Tripadvisor. He recalled that the company initially had a "failed business model" and described the travel industry as being "in total disarray" at the time. Kaufer also reflected on a difficult financial decision the company faced, stating that while it was "a crazy bad decision" financially, it was "absolutely the right decision" given the risks and the life-changing experience it provided for the company's employees. Kaufer also recounted the origin of the Tripadvisor idea in 1998, which came after he spent a significant amount of time online trying to research a resort in Mexico. He described the early business model of sending users to Expedia for bookings, noting that the company was not initially aware of how many of those users actually completed a booking.

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Transcript (2 segments)
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Interviewer0:00
Actually, I had one last question before we wrap things up. This is my usual closing question: if you could go right back to before you started TripAdvisor, what would you tell yourself about marketplaces specifically? I love the concept of marketplaces, especially something like TripAdvisor where I would say I go to sleep at night and I wake up and I made more money and I didn't do anything. It just was automatically going. The network effects, if they're not obvious, because you know you're more of an e-commerce store than a marketplace, like focus on that because there your barriers to entry...
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Stephen Kaufer0:54
What would I tell myself about marketplaces? You know, I'd have to go back to like, it's all about the people you bring in, the culture you define, and then the standard amount of luck and timing that goes into starting anything. I guess I would add, well, I'll tell you a little anecdote in my remaining minute or two, because it flows directly into advice I would have for every one of you that I've given a thousand times before. TripAdvisor raised 1.2 million in a seed round, you know, in February of 2000. By summer of 2000, we're pretty excited, we're getting ready to launch in fourth quarter, and we were offered another 2 million because travel's picking up, you know, the times were good and we didn't have a product yet. So there's no judging of anything, but our investors got more excited about what we were doing and the risk that I would assemble a terrible team because they invested just in me and one co-founder was addressed because I had assembled a good team. We kept our burn rate low, we were delivering, so some of the VC risk was removed. They offered 2 million at, you know, 2x the valuation, which was only 10 million at the time. And I'm like, I don't need the money. Why do I want to take a 20% dilution now? We're going to launch and we'll get our B2B partners and then we'll be off to the races. And one of our board members said, 'See, when someone's offering you money, take it. The biggest reason why startups fail, it's not because they're bad ideas, because they didn't have good enough money to prove that the idea would work.' And then he went through this logic with me. He said, 'Steve, if the company sold for $100 million and your share was 30 million, or your share was 30 million less 20%, is that going to change your life?' Like, no, not at all. 'Okay, if the company runs out of money and you have to start over, is that an impact on your life?' Like, oh yeah. 'Good, so let's optimize for what will prevent the bad thing from happening, or hopefully prevent the bad thing from happening, and won't bother you on the upside.' So we took the money. If we hadn't taken the money, we would have run out of TripAdvisor money because nobody would have funded us if we didn't have at that point in time. Why? Because the business had failed. When we launched our B2B offering, we had zero customers. It took us a year to get a customer. By the way, a year later when we finally did get a customer was right around September 11th. Okay, nobody's buying anything in the travel space at that time. So there's 100% certainty we would have died if we didn't take that money. And you ask me, hey, we sold, you know, for a great price, and did I care that it was for 20% less? To me, like hell no. It was nonzero, which was a great answer. So I like, of course you don't want to give away money, but at your stage, number one, raise as much as anyone will give you. Forget the dilution, it doesn't matter. Number two, have in mind what you need to do to get your next round of funding. Presumably you're not going to be break-even at that point. Break-even is always the magic number at a startup stage. But presuming you'll need another round, what do you have to prove to the next set of investors? And it's not that I'm saying forget your North Star, but nail what you have to prove. That is the most important thing, not any of the other things that you know you'll need to do to make a successful business. But like, put together the pitch deck to raise your next round. What do those slides have to say and prove it while you still have some runway to do so.