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“I think that the real debate is these are extremely capital intensive businesses uh you know capital intensive uh to a degree that we've never seen before in the history of business and the question is you're spending a ton of capital and the ultimate return on that capital is unknown. So it's not like a normal business who builds a factory and kind of knows what they're going to sell. you are um spending tons of capital to train a model and the question is you know do the scaling laws um work such that the returns on that capital continue to be attractive which means that you will be able to attract more capital uh and build better models or are you going to get to a point where uh everyone looks back and says we raised too much money we spent too much training models we didn't get the economic return or I think equally likely if not more likely people would say um ultimately you will get the economic return but uh it just happened slower than you would have thought like enterprise adoption just didn't take off as quickly as you thought and therefore the problem is like when you are this capital intensive as a business it introduces financial leverage and operating leverage to a degree you don't see in normal businesses so you don't have the luxury of you know uh 2 or 3 years of things going slower than you otherwise you know uh would expect the scaling laws the returns on capital and uh the speed at which these tools and AI is adopted throughout the economy are the questions”

Dan Sundheim
Founder & CIO, D1 Capital Partners
Policy Impact AI economicscapital intensityscaling lawsfinancial leverage

On , Dan Sundheim, Founder & CIO at D1 Capital Partners, spoke about AI economics during Inside Dan Sundheim's Bets on Anthropic, OpenAI, and SpaceX on Invest Like The Best.

Inside Dan Sundheim's Bets on Anthropic, OpenAI, and SpaceX
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Inside Dan Sundheim's Bets on Anthropic, OpenAI, and SpaceX
Invest Like The Best
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Patrick sits down with Dan Sundheim, Founder and CIO of D1 Capital Partners. They discuss Dan’s unique path from anonymous posting on Value Investors Club to managing one of the world's top crossover funds. The conversation covers the distinct dynamics between public and private markets, with deep dives into D1’s investments in SpaceX, OpenAI, and Anthropic. Dan offers his perspective on the future of AI scaling laws, the evolving landscape of software, and the enduring value of fundamental short selling. They also explore lessons learned from the GameStop era, the importance of resilience, and significant geopolitical risks facing the global economy. Timestamps: 0:00 Intro 1:05 Public vs. Private Markets 9:10 LLMs as a Business Model 23:23 The Future of Hyperscalers 27:45 AI's Impact on Traditional Software 36:31 Surviving the GameStop Short Squeeze 49:54 Big Private Bets: Rivian and SpaceX 54:26 The Art of Short Selling 1:04:28 Early Career 1:17:11 Geopolitics and the Semiconductor Collision Course 1:22:05 Traits of Great Leadership 1:23:20 The Kindest Thing #investing #hedgefund #D1Capital #DanSundheim #AI #SpaceX #stocks #finance #business #privateequity Presented by Ramp: https://ramp.com/ Sponsored by Vanta, WorkOS, Rogo, and Ridgeline: https://www.vanta.com/invest https://workos.com/ https://rogo.ai/invest https://www.ridgelineapps.com/ ****** Patrick O'Shaughnessy is the CEO of Positive Sum. All opinions expressed by Patrick and podcast guests are solely their own and do not reflect the opinion of Positive Sum. This podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon as a basis for investment decisions. Clients of Positive Sum may maintain positions in the securities discussed in this podcast. To learn more, visit psum.vc
Dan Sundheim

About Dan Sundheim

Founder & CIO · D1 Capital Partners

Dan Sundheim, founder and CIO of D1 Capital Partners, has discussed the firm’s investments in private companies including SpaceX, OpenAI, and Anthropic, describing them as "some of the largest companies in the world by market cap" that are "innovating in a way that's going to change the world." He stated that he believes AI will be "the most important technology" for the next decade or two and that it will drive revolutions in areas like robotics and biotech. Sundheim also expressed concern about a potential "collision course with China over semiconductors," warning that disruption to that supply chain could lead to a "depression type economy." Reflecting on the 2021 GameStop short squeeze, Sundheim called it "the toughest few weeks of my career" and noted that his firm had not been prepared for shorts to rise 300-400% in two weeks, as such a move was not in historical data. He said the experience taught him that "risk management has to happen before the fact." Sundheim also shared that he is most proud of overcoming the adversity of that period and the market challenges of 2022, stating that "learning from that, getting better and coming back" was the most difficult thing he has had to do.

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