In The Ring With Rob: Exploring the Golden Age of Private Credit | Howard Widra & Jurgen van Vuuren
In this episode, Robert Olsen, Vice Chair, Private Capital at Nicola Wealth explores private debt investments with industry expertΒ ...
Executive Chairman of the Board, Midcap Financial Invsmt
Search every verified Howard Widra interview, podcast appearance, and on-the-record quote β each transcript cross-checked by AI and human review to confirm speaker identity. In a September 2024 podcast, Howard Widra discussed the state of the private credit market. He described Midcap Financial as a broad-based commercial finance company providing senior debt across the middle market, including leveraged lending, asset-based lending, and life sciences lending. Widra noted that Apollo conducts most of its middle market senior lending through Midcap, and that his role has expanded to include direct origination of private credit at Apollo. He stated that Midcap closed on its equity investment the day Lehman failed in 2008, which he described as a challenging environment but a good time to start a finance company. Widra said he agreed that this is the "golden age of private credit," attributing the growth to banks pulling back from lending due to increased regulation and recent banking issues. He described the shift as secular and sustainable, with private credit taking market share from banks and syndicated loans. Widra noted that private credit now finances larger businesses, including those with over a billion dollars in annual revenue. He characterized the market as competitive despite concentration among large firms, and predicted that any expected credit cycle shakeout may be more benign than anticipated, with the Federal Reserve likely remaining accommodative enough to prevent a recession.
“Midcap is a broad-based commercial finance company providing senior debt across a range of products in the broadly defined Middle Market, including leveraged lending to sponsor-backed companies, asset-based lending to healthcare companies, Life Sciences lending, lender finance, and franchise finance.”
“Apollo does most of its Middle Market senior lending through Midcap, and because private credit has grown so much, my role overseeing Midcap has expanded to direct origination of private credit at Apollo.”
“When we were raising capital in 2008, we closed on our equity investment the day Lehman failed, which was a challenging environment, but actually the best time to start a finance company if you can get support.”
“One of Midcap's strengths is having a lot of products, which allows us to diversify risk and have multiple levers to grow depending on market conditions, providing stability to equity investors.”
“Private credit has grown because banks have pulled back from lending due to increased regulation and recent banking issues, creating a secular and sustainable shift where private credit takes significant market share from banks and syndicated loans.”
“Private credit is now financing much bigger businesses than historically, including companies with more than a billion dollars in annual revenue, dispelling the misconception that private credit only finances small companies.”
“The private credit market feels very competitive despite concentration among the largest firms, with many smaller firms raising more capital and significant competition especially in smaller deals.”
“I would agree that this is the golden age of private credit, driven by huge market growth, advantages over banks and capital markets, and increasing retail and insurance capital inflows.”
“The private credit market is somewhat correlated with M&A activity; slower M&A leads to slower sponsor lending, but diversified asset classes like asset-based lending provide opportunities even in slower periods.”
“My prediction is that the expected credit cycle shakeout may be more benign than anticipated, with the Federal Reserve likely to remain accommodative enough to prevent a recession, allowing the private credit market to remain stable in the medium term.”
In this episode, Robert Olsen, Vice Chair, Private Capital at Nicola Wealth explores private debt investments with industry expertΒ ...
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