We all are extremely grateful and extend a deep regard to the honorable Union Cabinet Minister for Youth Affairs and Sports and Labour and Employment, Dr. Mansukh Mandaviya ji, a true champion of youth. He amplifies dedication and vision, and his relentless efforts continue to bring about meaningful and transformative change in the lives of millions of youths. Thank you so much sir for joining us today. We are extremely grateful. Smt. Raksha Khadse ji, Union Minister of State for Youth Affairs and Sports, known for her exceptional work in policy making and a forward-looking vision. Thank you so much ma'am for joining us today. We are extremely grateful. We also have with us Shri Anand Mahindra ji, Chairman of Mahindra Group, the national icon for today's event. His strategic foresight and dynamic leadership have not only taken the Mahindra Group to diverse sectors but have also elevated Bharat's manufacturing sector to a global scale. Thank you so much sir for joining us. We are extremely indebted for you for gracing this occasion with your presence. Smt. Palki Sharma Upadhyay ji, well who doesn't know her? A trailblazer in journalism, known for her commitment to integrity and informed leadership by bringing global events into focus through an Indian lens. Her approach continues to shape the future of journalism and impactful voice. Thank you so much ma'am for joining us today. We are extremely grateful. Ladies and gentlemen, an exceptionally vibrant morning to each and everyone sitting in this room. Just like the youth, this morning feels alive with possibilities and enthusiasm. Malika Singh Pathania along with Aditya Raj and Sarika Rana are my Bharat volunteers hosting today's event. It is a matter of extreme privilege for me to have the opportunity to commence the day, the celebration of youth, the celebration of Viksit Bharat at 2047, the re-imagined National Youth Festival, Viksit Bharat Young Leaders Dialogue 2025, and this deserves a huge round of applause. Ladies and gentlemen, it is not just a physical assembly of Yuva Shakti but rightly stated, it is a Mahakumbh of ideas. From the historic ramparts of Red Fort, it was on August 15, 20[?] that our noble Prime Minister announced his vision to engage more than one lakh youth from families with no prior political background into the political system. Because of which various events have been organized and this mega event is a part of that. The talented group of young pride of people that we see here today have been selected through rigorous competition in three categories: namely the newly introduced Viksit Bharat Challenge, State Level Youth Festival, and the Young Trailblazers. 30 lakh participants, 12 different languages, and four different stages have brought together the best of the best. 3000 remarkable Yuva Shakti have gathered here today. The future of Bharat, the leaders of today and the leaders of tomorrow. The 20[?] National Youth Festival has been re-imagined on every possible level because of which you will soon notice that most of the work here is being done by the youth because this is a historic event with commitment that knows no bounds. This is an event that is of the youth, for the youth, and by the youth of Bharat. Thank you so much everyone. And friends, this is just a beginning, a start, an initiation of momentum, an initiation of policy, of the final line, an initiation of nature, an initiation of this light, of the love of heritage, of the duty of action, of every color included, an initiation of this country, of entering a new era. The new youth of new Bharat, who with their resolve are working for Viksit Bharat @2047. I request our My Bharat volunteers to welcome our honorable Minister of Youth Affairs and Sports, Dr. Mansukh Mandaviya ji, by offering flowers, under whose patronage this grand and divine program is being organized. The thunder of your applause should be heard from Bharat Mandapam across the entire country. I request our next My Bharat volunteer to welcome our honorable Minister of State for Youth Affairs and Sports, Raksha Khadse madam, by offering flowers. The thunder of your applause is a testament to the grandeur of this program. And now I request my My Bharat volunteer to welcome that person for whom perhaps no words are enough, Shri Anand Mahindra sir. I request our next My Bharat volunteer to give a hearty welcome to Palki Sharma ma'am. I request our next My Bharat volunteer to welcome one of the biggest faces of this program, the person who took Bharat from Chandrayaan to Gaganyaan, from Aditya L1 to Mangalyaan, ISRO Chairman Sir S. Somanath. I also request our next My Bharat volunteer to welcome our Chairman of Space, Pawan Goenka sir, with respect and welcome. Moving towards the next part of the program, we humbly request all our esteemed guests to come on stage and begin the program of offering flowers at the feet of Swami Vivekanand ji, the source of inspiration for all of us Yuva Shakti. Your applause should continue to be heard across Bharat. That Bharat whose clear direction has always been a journey from darkness to light. 'Tat desh prasu tasya saka saad agra janmana svam svam charitra sirena prithivyaam sarva maanava.' This line from the Vedas tells us how in Bharat's tradition, character is realized. Swami Vivekanand is one such character, about whom poet Sumit Orchha writes: 'We had won the religious assembly, we had won the religious assembly, but no one lost that day. That day, the whole world resounded with the victory of Bharat. New songs of Bharat's flag of glory were composed, new verses were composed. That young saint-sanyasi became the world's Vivekanand. To fight against darkness, to fight against darkness, he became the conflict in the minds of youth. That young saint-sanyasi became the world's Vivekanand.' Swami Vivekanand ji once said, 'I can see that Bharat Mata, with her divine aura, is going to ascend the throne again to guide the entire world, and that time is only a century away.' We stand a century after that statement. This is a symbol that the words of great men never go in vain. Your applause will be a symbol of whether you are present in the program or not. Bharat, in whose tradition we have been taught to realize character, we are the youth of that Bharat who today want to perform their duties, want to reform the present of Bharat, and want to transform the future of Bharat into Viksit Bharat. Many many thanks to the honorable minister, to our guests, and now I will hand over to our anchor Sarika Rana to take the program to the next part. Thank you.
Good morning everybody. Can I see the energy of my Bharat? Ladies and gentlemen, as we gather here today, we stand on the cusp of a vision, a vision for a Viksit Bharat by 2047 which was seen by our noble Prime Minister. A developed Bharat driven by the dreams, energy, and determination of its youth. They say that the strength of a nation lies in the hearts of its young people, and today this event is a shining example. It is the shining example, an event that is by the youth, of the youth, and for the youth. They say behind every great movement is a visionary leader, and we are honored to have one such trailblazer among us. Dr. Mansukh Mandaviya ji, everybody, our noble Minister of Youth Affairs and Sports and Labour and Employment, is not just a leader but a force of transformation. From walking hundreds of kilometers in padayatras to promote Beti Bachao Beti Padhao and girl child education, to leading initiatives that brought healthcare closer to every Indian through 10,000 plus Jan Aushadhi Kendras, his efforts resonate with every corner of the nation. Ladies and gentlemen, these achievements are so extraordinary, your claps must not stop. Please. His leadership took India's vaccination drive to historic heights, administering 2 billion doses in record time. An inspiring voice on global platforms like the United Nations and the World Economic Forum, he has represented India with unparalleled dignity and vision. So ladies and gentlemen, let's make the energy in this room match the greatness of the man we are about to welcome. Please join me in welcoming our noble minister sir. Give him a thunderous round of applause, everybody. Please sir, please sir, the stage is yours.
On the occasion of the inauguration of the Viksit Bharat Young Leader Dialogue, present among us are Anand Mahindra ji, Palki ji, Somanath ji, Raksha ji, Pawan ji, and my young leader brothers and sisters who have come from every corner of the country. Today I am happy. Every year on 12th January, in memory of Swami Vivekanand ji, we celebrate Youth Festival, celebrate Youth Day. In this Youth Festival, all the youth of the country gather, take inspiration from Swami Vivekanand ji, and also make resolutions for their own development and for the development of the country. But Swami Vivekanand ji used to say, the greater the struggle, the more glorious the victory. Struggle gives us inspiration, struggle prepares us for a big victory, meaning it paves the way for success. And therefore, taking inspiration from what Swami Vivekanand ji said 100 and a quarter years ago, we also get direction to move forward. But today I am happy. Before his initiation, Swami Vivekanand's name was Narendr Dutt. Today, taking inspiration from Swami Vivekanand ji, the youth of the country have gathered here to celebrate Youth Day, and Modi ji has inspired us that this time we must celebrate Youth Day and Youth Festival in a different way. One Narendr Dutt who gave direction to the youth, today similarly our Narendr Modi is giving direction and inspiring the youth. And when I went to the Prime Minister ji and said that this year in which state should I celebrate the Youth Festival and you have to come to it, then Modi ji told me that you always celebrate this Youth Festival in some state, but I want to connect the youth of my country with the development of the country and with Viksit Bharat. Therefore, this time we can celebrate the Youth Festival in a different way. Taking inspiration from Modi ji's words, I thought that we should celebrate this festival by ensuring the participation of youth in this program. I am happy to tell Anand ji that this program is a step, a first step in the direction of preparing one lakh youth leaders as envisioned by Modi ji. In this program, all the arrangements, all the planning, all the organization has been done by the youth volunteers of my country. My colleague minister Raksha ji, our Secretary Meeta ji and the Ministry team, we have only been motivators, guides. But 25 youth volunteers of the country came together, these volunteers decided, whatever they said, we did. They said that you want to gather the talented youth of the country, we said yes, then they said that a competition must be held, and a quiz competition was organized. More than 30 lakh youth participated in the quiz competition, out of which two lakh youth who came in merit were asked to write a letter essay on 10 tracks, and out of two lakh youth, six thousand wrote such essays, and these essays were evaluated. Out of them, 9000 youth of the country were asked to give a presentation on the subject for which they wrote the essay in the vertical they chose for Viksit Bharat. They gave presentations, and out of them, today 3000 youth are sitting in front of me. You are the talent of the country, you are the future of the country. Today's program is of the youth, by the youth, for the youth. This program has been prepared by you people, and therefore the entire structure and planning of the program has been based on your ideas. And therefore, to make Bharat developed, to make it a developed country, what is your opinion, what do you want, what will your vision of Bharat be like? Yesterday I came, the presentation of 10 tracks was going on. What should be in the agriculture sector in a developed Bharat for the youth, what should we do for startups in a developed Bharat, and today what should be the status of women in our country in a developed Bharat for women empowerment. Friends, when I listened to the youth, my confidence increased. I have firm belief that you will definitely create Modi ji's dream of Viksit Bharat by 2047. I believe, friends, that this is the first program that has initiated the handing over of leadership to the youth power of the country. From among you, from your planning, I was seeing all the arrangements, writing letters, making calls, all of you doing logistics arrangements, hotel arrangements, all the arrangements here, those who are conducting are also youth volunteers, they are from among you, the people involved in the arrangements are from among you, and I have been seeing you for two days in a disciplined manner, and that has boosted the morale of the entire system. I also saw that when you left your states, I had told all the Chief Ministers and Governors that the youth talent of your state, the youth who have come out of the competition, are coming to have a dialogue with the Prime Minister, to give their suggestions for Viksit Bharat, you should meet them. I am happy that 24 state Governors and Chief Ministers have seen you off and honored you. Friends, I was also told that all the ministers of the Government of India invited you for dinner on the evening of the 9th. 20 ministers yesterday invited the talent youth of their respective states to their homes for a meal and had a dialogue with them. This shows the importance of this program. Friends, under the leadership of Modi ji, the country is changing, the country is moving forward, and a new Bharat is being built. Friends, after centuries, we are going to place Bharat Mata again at the pinnacle of supreme glory. This country has suffered a lot. This country was dependent for 2000 years. Sometimes they ruled this country, sometimes the Shakas ruled. For 1000 years, invaders ruled this country. For 240 years, the British ruled this country. In 1857, Mangal Pandey gave his first martyrdom and started the struggle for freedom against the British. The freedom struggle of the country continued for 90 years. Six lakh youth sacrificed their lives. When the country demanded sacrifice, the youth stepped forward and climbed the gallows, saying 'Vande Mataram' and offered their lives for Bharat Mata. And friends, after 75 years of independence, Modi ji has called upon us to build a developed Bharat. And to build a developed Bharat, I have faith in the youth of the country. Taking the youth along, we have to build a developed Bharat based on their vision. And therefore, to ensure the participation of youth and women in a developed Bharat, we were inspired to have the Viksit Bharat Young Dialogue. And I am seeing all the youth sitting here, I have been witnessing your activities for two days. Friends, my morale and confidence are building. Once again, Bharat Mata will be seated at the place of supreme glory. In 2047, when the country celebrates the centenary of independence, then friends, you will live a developed Bharat as citizens of a developed Bharat. And so that we can live a developed Bharat in the future, the leadership of a developed Bharat is sitting in front of me. I request all of you, for two days, today and tomorrow, participate in all the programs with full effort, with interest, contribute your contribution, your contribution is needed. And tomorrow when you have a dialogue with the Prime Minister, I have been told that 20 youth colleagues from 10 tracks will tell the Prime Minister that this is our dream of a developed Bharat. And to build this dream of a developed Bharat, we all will move forward based on your commitment and dedication. My heartfelt best wishes to all of you. Thank you.
Thank you once again sir for being with us and leading us towards a brighter future. And now ladies and gentlemen, it's time for the moment we all have been waiting for, the most anticipated interaction with a national icon. But before we dive in, it is my privilege and honor to introduce you to the one who will lead this extraordinary conversation. Palki Sharma Upadhyay ma'am, the moderator for this interaction. And I must proudly say, my idol, a fearless voice who has made India's story resonate across the globe. A storyteller whose every word has the power to challenge perspectives and spark meaningful dialogue. She is more than just a journalist, she is a change maker who has set new benchmarks in global media with her unmatched clarity and compelling storytelling. She has not only brought the world closer to India but has also empowered countless minds like us to dream big and speak out fearlessly. It is an honor to welcome you ma'am to the stage. Ladies and gentlemen, let's make some noise for the one and only Palki Sharma Upadhyay ma'am. We welcome you. Ma'am, please ma'am take your seat. Thank you.
Thank you. Friends, now there are leaders who build businesses and then there are leaders, visionaries who build legacies. The man we are about to welcome on stage belongs to the latter category. Shri Anand Mahindra ji. Dynamic Chairman of the Mahindra Group has redefined what it means to be a leader in modern India. Under his leadership, the Mahindra Group has soared to global heights, driving innovation across automobiles, IT, aerospace. Degrees from Harvard College and Harvard Business School, he is a powerhouse of intellect and foresight, blending business excellence with a profound sense of purpose. But his impact is not confined to boardrooms and balance sheets. He is a true nation builder, empowering over 3,30,000 underprivileged girls through the Nanhi Kali initiative, promoting youth skilling and sustainable farming with the Nandi Foundation, and bringing a modern twist to traditional Indian sports through the Pro Kabaddi League. I have to gasp because the list goes on and on. He has given chess a global stage with the creation of the world's first franchised global chess league. And when it comes to celebrating art and culture, sir has left no stone unturned. From Mahindra Blues to Mahindra Theatre Awards, his contributions reflect his deep commitment to preserving creativity and history. So ladies and gentlemen, let's give a roaring round of applause and a warm welcome to a true national icon, the man, the man who inspires us to dream bigger and bigger and do better. Shri Anand Mahindra ji. Please sir, take your seat. And now I would request you to please start the interaction.
Thank you very much for the kind words and for the very very warm welcome. Respected Minister Mansukh Mandaviya ji, Raksha ji, all the dignitaries and the young leaders. It's a pleasure and a privilege to be part of the Young Leaders Dialogue being organized by the Ministry of Youth Affairs and Sports. And I think that Viksit Bharat 2047 is the most transformative and ambitious goal that we have set ourselves as a nation, to turn India into a developed country by 2047, which is the centenary year of our independence. And it is not just a policy, it is not just a distant dream, it is a shared mission that requires the active participation of every Indian citizen, especially the youth. We have 600 million young people in this country. Their energy, their determination is what is going to drive our global rise. And to guide us through this transformation, we have visionaries like Mr. Mahindra, Mr. Anand Mahindra is with us. He is a visionary business leader with a distinguished list of achievements. Mr. Mahindra, good morning, how are you? Good morning Palki and good morning to you. You know, this is the first time I've been in this hall. I'm amazed, just so incredibly huge and perfect. And from what I understand, today the future of India is sitting here. Such talented young people are sitting here, this is the future of the country. Can I just test the acoustics of this hall and see how loud a noise you can all make with one single cheer? [Audience cheers] Okay, I think we just fused some mics here. Thank you, thank you very much. First of all, I want to thank the minister for inviting me. When he called me, he said it's a Yuva Shakti program, so I said I am 69, why are you turning this into a dinosaur park by calling me here? But you know, some people, you talk to them, you know they don't take no for an answer. So I very quickly gave up and realized I had to be here. But I am honored to be here. It's an absolute pleasure. And thank you very much for the introduction. Usually after that kind of introduction, everything has to be anti-climax. I should just walk off the stage right now and quit while I'm ahead, as they say. But anyway, I am delighted to be here. And Palki, back to you. We're talking about young leaders. How do you envision the role of youth in nation building in the journey towards Viksit Bharat 2047? And you talk about young leaders, what are the qualities they should nurture to be able to achieve this feat? They never have a perfect answer to such questions, Palki. But what was useful to me was just about a month ago, we had our annual leadership conclave, the top 100 leaders of the Mahindra Group in Rishikesh. And while I was talking to them, I actually described what I felt the reason we had succeeded in our group and the characteristics they had. I think it applies to the question you ask me. And we often talk about AI these days. To me, I use a different AI. The AI I use is A-I: Audacity and Integrity. The first quality you have to have is audacity. If you look at the independence of India, the minister mentioned Shaheed Bhagat Singh. What was he if not audacious? Thinking about a goal that seemed impossible, to take on odds that seemed insurmountable. That's audacity. And India has suffered for so long a colonial shackle mindset. The real poison of colonialism is not economic, it's psychological, because it robs any colonized population of self-belief, of thinking that they can succeed and rule themselves. So it takes audacity now for us to think bigger than ever. So the first quality you need is audacity. I will say, look at your coming down from 1.4 million people originally who were to do this essay, you look at coming down here and manage to be short because of audacity. The second one, equally important, I am using a counter-intuitive one: integrity. Now you might say why integrity? Moving from audacity to integrity because if you ask me, the definition of a developed nation cannot be defined only in material terms. I don't care what our GDP is, I don't care what our per capita income is if we have not gone about it the right way, if we are not seen as a nation of values. That is how we must differentiate ourselves. It's not how big you become, it's how you become big. And you have to do it the right way. So that's the AI we need. But there is one more: Rajas.
Because you come to next innovation, you will love to say the first time you are going to stumble, you are going to fall, you are going to fail. We heard the word 'serial entrepreneur' because they are not afraid of failure, and the fear of failure is what we must overcome. The head of ISRO sitting here, he goes into space almost every day because he is not afraid of failing. And that is the reality that all of us need here. We need to understand we will stumble, but we have to be able to get up and rise again. So essentially, those are the three qualities, Palki, I would say we need to become a developed nation.
Well, colleagues said, there was no event manager for this event apparently. It was a collective effort. It was most the leadership, most of it was not something you can identify. So young people say they don't want to be managed. Young people say, I don't think they just want to be in some kind of anarchic situation. I don't think they just want to do whatever they want. They have goals. I think they are talking about empowerment. They want to be empowered to be part of the solution. In this country, we don't ever like to be pushed. We like to be led. Let's see how independent in nature? At the end of the day, innovation, I don't see this as a problem. I don't see a leaderless future. A country that has collective leadership like this event, I think will be the most powerful of all. The importance of purpose in leadership. How young leaders puzzle?
Mission: the idea of contributing to nation building and doing more for society. You know, this to me is very false. The idea that you can create other purpose and profit, the fact that they go together. You never, if you really look at purpose in it first of all, we as a group were born in 1945 on the cusp of independence. My grandfather and grand uncle were actually working with the government, British government at that time, but they were fired up by the idea of independence and they created our navigator. Out of purpose, I don't think we've lost profit along the way, and I dare say that we've made more profit, we've been more resilient, we've been more audacious, prosperous because of purpose. So the two don't go together. Second thing, you know, if we tell people you have to either build the nation or make profit, I don't again, I think it's completely false. Every entrepreneurship, you are building the nation. If you are an employee, if you are a mom and pop shop, you are building the economy. You are a vital cog in development. So I don't understand where this distinction between nation building and purpose comes. They have a purpose. Yes, it might be to make themselves richer, but it also is building the nation. So that's the other reason why you can't. And finally, the final element why I think there is no distinction: in fact, the biggest growth parties are actually in nation building. Just as in sustainability, it was another false dichotomy. Can I be sustainable and profitable? No, you can do both. And the biggest opportunity in the world will come because India is being built as a nation. It's the fastest growing economy in the world. There you will have many, many more opportunities for growth. So as you contribute to growth, nation building, this is also the biggest growth party in the world. Are you finding that opportunity? So let's do away with this distinction once and for all. Purpose and profit go together.
Enterprise initiatives, how can they help young innovators bring their ideas to life and scale them for impact?
So again, I am going to be a little counter. I'm going to flip that. It's not how can we help. We rise unless they help us. This platform, I wish I could tap into all the energy here. And if you look at this, there are probably about out of these 3000, there must be thousands of unicorns that are going to happen right here. So please remember this word. When you ultimately start your startups, please give me a message, allow me to invest in you. But how am I going to make money? So we can rise. They don't rise, they will help us rise in my opinion. And just in more practical terms, what we are doing, and I have been doing it personally, you create platforms that allow grassroots innovation. I started something on social media a couple of years ago called 'Enterprise Bharat'. I just asked for small ideas, grassroots innovators to come up, and I said I would invest in them personally and shortlist them. I did it. This year, I am pivoted to supporting Professor Anil Gupta of IIM, who created a fantastic platform. And this is the energy of the young leaders here to start on their own as many as can.
We have a question from Jigyasaa Jan from Madhya Pradesh. She says: 'Youth need guidance to come into startups and business. How important is this guidance, and how should young people choose a mentor or guru?'
The best thing is that we have a very old tradition of mentorship. Whether you call it the guru-shishya parampara, it is in our nature. It is in our personality that we want to help youth, we want to advise them, we want to help them. It is part of our DNA. So you don't have to search for it; everyone will come willingly to help you. But you know, today what we can do is we can use technology. We can create a platform. And we will mention one such platform called the Aspire Institute. It was started by Professor Tarun Khanna of Indian origin, a professor at Harvard Business School. He created it for the first generation in their families who are going to college. And he has built a platform and he is going around the world asking mentors to join. You can sign up and do a 10-week immersion course, and after that you will get mentors. It is going on this year, targeting to get to a million people. I think Minister ji, we should also do something like this, perhaps connect with them, the Aspire Institute. But I think Viksit Bharat should become a platform. This event should not be closed after this; it must become a platform. You have done this event very well, all of you, but it won't be of much use if there is no permanence. So if you platformize it, Viksit Bharat must be a platform where all young people can log on, get mentors, courses, network support. We should sign on every Indian. I am pretty sure Satya Nadella will sign on. They will commit time. They must log in and say 'I want time with a mentor, can someone help me? I need funding, I need network, I need help cutting bureaucratic red tape.' If all these resources and facilities come on one platform, it will be a revolution, and you will have done it.
No, corporate leaders have created many jobs in India. The young have their own understanding of how they want to lead their lives, and that is leading to a lot of debate. As you may be aware about work-life balance, and there are prescriptions on 70-hour work weeks, 90-hour work weeks. How do you address something like that? You know, what is your idea of this balance, and how much is too much?
You know, I said to this audience, this question was bound to come today. Someone will ask me this question. So I tell you, I have very, I have huge respect for Mr. Narayana Murthy and others. So let me not get this wrong. But I have to say something. I think this debate is in the wrong direction because this debate is about the quantity of work. My point is we have to focus on the quality of work, not the quantity of work. So it's not about 48, 40 hours, it's not about 70 hours, it's not about 90 hours. What output are you doing? Even if it's 10 hours, you can change the world in 10 hours. So the minister just sent me a note saying we have the 'My Bharat' platform which is a single-window platform for all youth activities, and we will integrate with the Aspire platform. Thank you, sir. Now, that's what you call an action-oriented government. Right, he even waited one minute before responding. My salute to you. So coming back to your question, I have always believed that you have to have leaders and people in your company who make wise decisions, wise choices. So the question is what kind of mind makes the right choices and right decisions? And I think a mind that is exposed to holistic thinking, that is open to inputs from around the world. That is why I am very kind that we support art and culture. Why am I making shareholders pay for that? Because I think you make better decisions when you have a whole brain, when you are informed about arts and culture. That is when you will make a good decision. If you don't spend time at home, if you don't spend time with friends, if you don't read, if you don't have time to reflect, how will you bring the right inputs in to making a decision? Let's take our business. You make a car. We have to decide what a customer wants in a car. If we are only in the office all the time, we are not with our families, we are not with other families, how are we going to understand what people want to buy, what kind of car do they want to sit in? So that is why I am a big votary. I am not going to say you need to work so many hours or that often you have to be in a tunnel just to complete a project under a tight deadline. But you should not be in a tunnel every time. And Gandhi ji said, 'Open your windows, let the air in.' So I definitely think there is no such thing as a work-life balance. There is something where it's not about balancing two things. You make good decisions if you have a holistic life, and you cannot be in a tunnel all the time. Absolutely. And I think something to be said for both arguments. I mean, you don't become a Narayana Murthy without a 90-hour work schedule, right? Sometimes you have to push. We grew up learning things like 'no pain, no gain'. And yet I think everybody has their own threshold, and they decide what they want to do.
You are very successful. If I could ask you, how many hours a week do you work?
