Sydney Sweeney is probably going to be soon the youngest self-made female billionaire, but I don't think she's like winning it.
Hi everyone, this is Pivot from New York Magazine and the Vox Media Podcast Network. I'm Kara Swisher.
Hey Scott, I just flew in from California.
Oh, really? So did I before.
Oh well, here we are. But listen, I have a lot to tell you about things I've been doing this week, but we have a big announcement breaking late yesterday. We are going on tour.
Yes, we are. Super excited. Back in Canada. We've added Denver, which I'm excited about.
Well, let me let me see. We're kicking off November 2nd in New York City, and then we hit Toronto, Minneapolis, LA, San Francisco, and Denver. And you can head to pivotourre.com for tickets. We do sell out pretty quickly, so please get there. And we want all our fans there. And if you're not following us on social media, you're not going to get all the latest announcement. And our handles are in the show notes. But let me tell you something. It's going to be good. We're going to have so many so many amazing secret guests. Correct. We are.
I got to give it to you, Kara. You give good event. You're very good at this. Um, you know, I just kind of...
Is there anyone you absolutely want in any of these cities? Toronto, Sydney Sweeney.
As a palette cleanser, what do you think of all this controversy on the script?
You know, I don't care. I like it's stupid. I don't think it's a good ad. Okay. I just don't think it's a good ad. I think it's a stupid purant ad and it's not very clever. Like, if you go back and watch the Brooke Shields ads, which were very controversial, they're very funny. The dialogue is super funny. This is just dumb. It's like boobs. Oh, so boobs and some boobs. And I get why guys like it. What do you think? You like boobs.
Um, I think my taste is a little bit more... Well...
Oh, all right. I'm sorry. I forget that you've developed...
All the notion that it's ruining women's sports and the outrage. I think it's ridiculous. I think that if she were a black gay progressive, uh, it would be my body, my choice, sexist work, um, you know, girl boss, and instead because she's a white MAGA uh Republican, everyone's outraged. No, I think it's a double standard.
What's happening to you? Like, everyone's going away from Trump. You're moving that direction.
No, I don't think so. A critical thinker. This is entire identity escalation politics.
No, it's just a stupid ad. Like, I don't I don't really care.
I'm not talking about the ad. I'm talking about the reaction to it.
Oh, I don't know. I just, you know, I think if you're a woman in sports, you have made a lot of strides and it's irritating. It's it's...
Is it irritating when Sports Illustrated does an entire episode on their bodies? Is it irritating when US Open men take off their shirts to increase their clout?
No, it's not the same thing. You know, it's not. Then, by the way, the picture, go look at the pictures in... I knew you'd do this, but you go look at the pictures in Sports. I never loved the swimsuit issue. Whatever. I don't I don't really care if people want to look at ladies in bikinis. I just thought it's just dumb. And she's appeared in the second dumb ad. And I'm not sure what she's doing with her.
It might be a dumb ad. It's not ruining women's sports.
No, no, no. But it's just like, oh my god, really? You're going to put basketballs in front of your nipples? Okay, sure.
What do you... Okay, we respect female entrepreneurs. We encourage women to be entrepreneurs. We do.
Uh, she's bought a ton of attention. She's going to make a ton of money.
Yeah, but listen, I would go if I were her, cuz I think she's a very talented actress. She's kind of taken a weird left turn off what I think is a very promising actor. Excuse me, I should say actor because I like to call that like...
She should so not be her agent.
She should so not be her agent.
No, but I don't think she's like winning it. I don't think she's winning. She could...
Sydney Sweeney is probably going to be soon the youngest self-made female billionaire.
How much? Okay, let's take a bet. How much is she going to make from that very offensive ad? I have no idea.
She owns a stake in the company.
I get it. But so did a lot. Listen, this is I've seen this come and go. Actors and owning things. I'm just telling you. I think she's I think she's better. I think she's got some bad advice. That's my feeling.
So, you think she should have done a dramatic reading for some kale oatmeal company?
Mr. Anti-woke, which I don't know what's happened to you.
Yeah, you are. Well, you always go, 'Oh, V signal.' You anti-woke signal all the time.
Anoke signal. That's what you are, AWS.
I think it's just look, I would say someone she was on a show with, Zendaya, is sort of handling her career really interestingly and it's not because she never utters a word about politics. By the way, I've never really heard her say anything.
Um, but I find I think she's sort of I think if Sydney Sweeney went in that direction a little more and focused on what a good actor she is, she would... I get that she has nice...
They have different assets. I guess I think she's actually talented.
I think so in White Lotus. I just think you can't stop looking at her boobs, right? That's the whole thing. It's the whole...
And why shouldn't she? Like, men who... anyways, I don't care. I don't honestly care. I think she looks stupid. But whatever. She wants to look stupid. It's the second stupid ad, so I'm questioning her judgment.
You didn't like the jeans one either.
It was dumb. It was so like loaded and oh, let's make...
Sold a ton of merchandise, made the company a ton of money.
It didn't. It didn't. It was not a win. That was not a win.
Not among the young folk.
You're signing up for the narrative and ignoring the data.
Yeah. You don't... I'm not ignoring the data. I don't think she... I think she's going to have a less good career. We will see in five years who's the bigger star.
Okay. Again, this is the man who said Taylor Swift was a passing phase or something like that. You don't. She kills.
I never... don't put words in my mouth. I never said Taylor Swift was a bad... her down. You were always... Stop it. I don't like her music. That's the crime against humanity that you have levied against me.
How many Taylor Swift concerts have you been to?
Uh, one big... the big one. I couldn't afford to.
Okay, so we're tied. I've been to a Taylor Swift concert as well. I think she's an inspiration. I'm glad she is drawing outside of the lines and also has incredible talent and is making millions of dollars. Good for her.
Okay. All right. Karl Rove is about to vote Democrat in Texas and you're going the other direction. This is fantastic. Anyway, nonetheless, we're kicking...
Going to Texas to campaign for Taylor.
This will be... Which one of us is going to like Baby Jesus? I know you love Baby Jesus. I know it. I know it. But let me tell you, we're kicking off. This is going to be a good tour. That's good. It's going to be a good tour. Baby Jesus.
Guest stars James Tarico and Sydney Sweeney doing a dramatic reading of Shakespeare's...
Oh, God. Taming of the Shrew. Um, I met him in Texas. You kindly, I think, introduced me to the PR person and he didn't like me calling him Baby Jesus. And I said, 'Well, would you like... a little for a pastor or whatever.'
I know, but he's so adorable. I'm so offensive. You call people so red pill that time. I call him Baby Jesus. And then he says, 'Oh, that's not a good nickname.' And he knows all our nicknames.
Just call him BJ for short.
That's what I said. I said, 'I'll call you BJ.' He goes, 'That's... There you go. That's... He's so adorable.'
That's an ad with Ted Cruz.
That's not Baby. He looks like Satan now with his weird beard.
Looks like Count Chocula.
Count Chocula. He does. Did you... What did you like? What was it? Quis... Oh, that was Quake. We had to decide when we were kids. Do you remember that?
I did. I was like a charms.
Okay. I do too. That's my favorite. My kids' cultural appropriation of the Irish.
It is still excellent. It is still fantastic.
Anyway, everybody, we have... we're bantering and arguing since we're disagreeing and you're wrong. We have got to get once again...
We've got to get going because rivalry is heating up between the US and Canada this morning, as you know, our Canadian friends. But speaking of heated rivalries, get that Canada heated rivalries, we are bringing in Scott's other work wife to help us break it down. Please welcome the co-host of Raging Moderates, Jessica Tarlov. Her new book is out now. It's called I Disagree: Winning Arguments Without Losing Friends. Jess, welcome. Welcome to our home.
That's what this feels like. Like I got invited to the big house.
The one on top of the hill.
The one on top of the hill. We were just arguing before...
Our mom and dad having a fight. We were... He's like going on about the great attributes of Sydney Sweeney.
And you would know more about the two of you. What's attractive in breast than I do? They do look great.
They do. They're fantastic. That's a nice... Kara is making the point that if she was smarter, she'd focus on her acting capabilities, her dramatic skills.
Oh, wow. Oh, she's going for the... she's trying to get us to disagree and then I'll fix it or I'll just leave you in a state of... show off her rack like Dolly Parton did and also be talented. Is that correct?
She's both of those things. She's doing both of those things.
She's having a moment across different verticals, which is how you succeed. Yeah. You see what I did there? But also, there's a finite amount of time when you look like that.
Oh, you can keep that going for a while.
You know what? I don't even... I just love a woman who leans into her aging. I think it's really... I love that confidence. And...
I just can't wait to look at 60-year-old breasts.
This is an uncomfortable conversation for me because I find that, Kara, I really don't see age when it comes to women and I don't see looks. I don't see...
I'm going to show you my boobs in a second and then it's all going to end very quickly.
Do I have to show my boobs to come to everybody? But let's listen. This is...
Well, you know my question when I meet a feminist, I ask them if they'd still be a feminist if they had bigger tits.
Oh, God. You wrong. Is that wrong? Is that wrong?
Yes, it is. Yes, we disagree. That's right up the...
We disagree. Welcome back. Remain lose Scott. We should lose Scott member of the...
And have a new show. We should like... I'm thinking of dumping him for Caitlyn Collins. I'll be honest. According to the comments, it's happening.
I know. Um, listen, we... I want to talk about your... Let's focus on Jess. Let's focus on Jess. She's here. I just had her on the show for an hour to talk about the book, but we're going to get into some actual practical aspects of your book, which is about disagreeing. And you have to like endure Jesse Waters. So, I feel for you, honey, um, kind of thing. So, let's get into it. The Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney, this is a good example, addressed the EU Parliament a little while ago, saying Europe and Canada are stronger together. The speech comes a day after European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen proposed that Canada become EU's first associate member. I'm not sure it's like a junior member or whatever. Let's listen to Carney explain his vision of this partnership.
We do not seek power to dominate others. On the contrary, we are pursuing resilience so no one can control our open markets, impair our sovereignty, threaten our territorial integrity, or undermine our freedoms, our democracies, our rule of law.
He was clear about what this alliance is not about.
I also want to be precise about what I am not proposing. I'm not proposing a third block in order to become a great power rival, only with better manners.
Okay, Trump is not happy about this. Even before Carney's speech, he said Canada becoming an associate member of the EU could be a hostile act and he threatened to punish Europe with, you guessed it, tariffs. Just this is a real like... what any advice on Trump losing friends because he loses a lot of... there's a lot of friends he's lost. I'm not sure Canada was ever his friend. Some people are beyond hope, which is part of the book, that you are not forced to have friendships that you don't want to. Um, but what Mark Carney was doing, and as I was listening to the speech this morning before I hopped on here, I was thinking, this man is parenting, right? He's doing the same thing that we would do with any of our kids and explaining in very clear terms, we do not seek to dominate others. Do not push someone on the playground. It is like a very easy rule to teach. But what he did do because this is an arc, right? A journey that Mark Carney has been on. And he did a lot of the things that we talked about in I Disagree. He started with the soft start originally and he said like, we're pals. We have a lot. It's important. 800 billion in trade. Second biggest partner. We want to make this work. We share this border. We share our values. Then he went to let's talk in averages and not anecdotes. Let's get to the brass tacks. So this isn't about my feelings. This is a win-win for everybody. And then when the toddler couldn't deal with reality, he dropped the bomb and he said, 'Here I am. Let me into the EU and let's figure out a bright future together.' So he didn't get an advanced copy of the book, but I feel like he saw what is in there. But is he cutting off because you said you don't have to remain friends with everyone or is he leaving an opening? Like is this like a...
I don't think you can ever cut off the US. I mean, that's just not feasible and you share...
Yeah. Well, he could also make a plan for the next two years and change and then pray that someone sane... and that someone sane doesn't necessarily have to be a Democrat. I don't think if Marco Rubio was in charge that he would be going about it this way or even a JD Vance. So, I think that he wants to send a strong message. Obviously, he has tried a lot of different ways to be able to have this conversation to make it clear it's worth your while and keep the relationship. And now he's got to do what's best for Canadians and what his people are telling him that they want. They're ready to take the pain in order to have their sovereignty and their dignity.
Yeah. Scott, what do you think? What would you do if you were him? Besides talk about Sydney Sweeney's boobs, but go ahead.
Oh, no. I was going to say Scott's probably going to say he's also very attractive, which he is. It's a different look than Sydney Sweeney, but...
Actually, Kara objectifies Carney all the time, and I'm really uncomfortable with it. She's constantly referencing his looks. Anyways, it's very upsetting. Um, so look, America being indignant here and calling it an act of hostility is like, you know, someone is in an abusive relationship and then the husband finds out, what do you know? She's downloaded Hinge. I mean, this just can't be that surprising. We used to be the head of the cool table in the cafeteria and we walked in and now it's just us at the cool table. This is... of course they're looking for new partners. Of course they are. They'd be irresponsible not to.
Right now, I think a lot of people are wanting to get along again, you know, and maybe forgive people. I was just noting to Scott Karl Rove that he's going to vote Democrat. I'm sure he's getting a lot of pushback from Republicans there, but the thing the guy said was heinous, right? And then you have Mike Johnson defending a guy who called women cumbuckets. Like, and you're like, what is happening here?
Yeah, I know. But we're the offensive ones. I love that. I'm like, I'm really prepared to be lectured by the party of cumbuckets about whatever it is that so-and-so said that I'm sure I'm going to see a clip of later. The overarching message that's important for people to keep in mind is that life is long and people change and they evolve. And if you are careful about when you talk and when you listen, you can get somewhere in most cases. Again, not forcing anyone to do anything that they don't want to, but we're also desperate to be acknowledged and for people to say like, 'I'm actually interested in what you've got to say.' And then by doing that, you're also better prepared to respond to it. But the cutting each other off... and yes, I get interrupted all the time, which I see as a sign of weakness, and I write about that, that if you're getting interrupted, you're actually winning. If they're criticizing you on style, you're winning on substance. And you can take internal gratification from that and people who are watching this go on know it as well. Um, but the listening, it matters so much and that's across the political spectrum that people are really hungry for it.
Well, just going what Jess said about go to data. 870 billion is sold in or is purchased in from Canada and we don't treat them like our best customer. They purchase 130 billion in EU goods. So, there's literally 740 billion or three-quarters of a trillion dollars in business up for grabs. Uh, and I got to think that if you're a Norwegian company that's selling, you know, motorcycle parts or ATV parts, you're now quickly on the phone with every Canadian manufacturer of ATVs, including Bombardier, and say, 'Hey, have you considered doing business with us?' This business is up for grabs. American companies have never had a greater assault on their inventory and their new business from the president who has made them very vulnerable to switching.
