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Beth Hammack
President and CEO, Federal Reserve Bank of Cleveland

Cleveland Fed's Hammack: 'Disappointing' Jobs Report

📅 Aug 01, 2025 Bloomberg Podcasts 10 MIN 2161 VIEWS 21 SEGMENTS · 2 SPEAKERS
Federal Reserve Bank of Cleveland President Beth Hammack said the US labor market still appears healthy, though fresh jobs numbers released Friday constituted a “disappointing report to be sure.” “We could see some weakening on the labor side,” Hammack said Friday during an interview on Bloomberg Radio & TV. “And if we see that, it would be something that we might want to respond to,” she said, while adding that she wouldn’t want to overreact to one data release. Data published earlier Friday pointed to a sharp cooling in the labor market over the last few months. Employers added a lower-than...

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  1. 0:41Does that suggest maybe that you made a mistake by not moving in July?
  2. 2:36And what are they saying about what they're going to do about tariff price increases?
  3. 3:49Basically, are companies saying we can't absorb too much of this or are they going to try to hold off as long as possible, Americans going to feel the tariffs sometime soon?
  4. 4:45Were you a two person or a one person for 2025?
  5. 5:19Is September a realistic possibility now?
  6. 6:15So how do you balance the two?
  7. 7:00Do you have any indication of how fast companies are going to make decisions about what they're going to do in terms of staffing, in terms of investment?
  8. 7:49How does the board and the Open Market Committee feel about Chairman Paul?
  9. 8:53You'll be a voter next year if you get a new chair appointed by the president who comes in and says, I want rates to go down, how will you vote?
  10. 9:28Do you worry that the Fed's credibility has been damaged by all of this in the public mind or in business mind?
Beth Hammack 0:00 ↗
It was a disappointing report, to be sure. But when I look at the data, we don't try not to make too much of any one individual report. And so we look at the confluence of data. We look at the longer term picture. What we have is a labor market that is showing signs that we should be watching carefully. Having the headline numbers come down makes sense to me, given what we've seen happening on the immigration side and the headline number on unemployment, which is the most reliable indicator we have, is still within that 4.1 to 4.3 range that it's been out for the past year or so. It looks like a market that a healthy labor market that's still well in balance, but with some disappointing signs that we should watch very carefully.
Interviewer 0:41 ↗
Well, the one thing that caught everybody's attention is the revisions. We went from 147 in June to just 14,000. And I want to point out the statement from Chris Waller earlier today on why he dissented. He had a line in there that said basically when labor markets turn, they often turn fast. Does that suggest maybe that you made a mistake by not moving in July?
Beth Hammack 1:04 ↗
I feel confident with the decision that we made earlier this week. We have to look at the whole picture of the data. When I step back and look at where we are, I see a labor market that is largely in balance. Again, today's report is just one report. We'll watch it carefully. We'll look to see if the dynamism in the labor market is picking up, because that's been something that we haven't really seen. If you have a job, you're able to keep your job, but if you don't have a job, it's harder to find one. But in aggregate, we're still seeing unemployment in that four two range where it came out today. But it's been four one, two, four, three for the entire year. We're seeing pressure on the inflation side of our mandate. That's where our mess has been bigger and it's been lasting for longer. We haven't hit on inflation in four and a half years. And when I'm out talking to people across the district, whether it's Wheeling, Toledo, Cincinnati, what I hear from people is that the pain of inflation is really biting. They're making very difficult choices. They're trading down from buying ground beef to buying hot dogs. The $400 emergency fund that they have, they're not able to stretch as far as they used to. And so we have to balance those two sides of our mandates when we think about setting correct policy. And we have to look at if we're missing by how much and for how long do we expect those misses to last. And right now, we're missing by much more on the inflation side than we're missing on the employment side. That was basically sort of the message that Chairman Powell gave on his Wednesday news conference. But we're looking at backward data always, of course, looking forward to get back to what you were saying about when you're talking to people, what are companies telling you about their plans?
Interviewer 2:36 ↗
Let me put a two part question. Does the poor job numbers that we got for the last two months now comport with what you had been told by by companies? And what are they saying about what they're going to do about tariff price increases?
Beth Hammack 2:52 ↗
So what we've heard from businesses consistently is that uncertainty has been high for all of this year. They've had a difficult time making investments, executing on the plans that they had going into this year because they just didn't know where the economy is going to go. They didn't know how tariffs were going to impact their businesses. What we've heard consistently is that they fought really long and hard to get their labor force together to train employees and make sure that they were really able to help produce and that they're loath to let them go. But that can't last forever if demand ticks down. And so they're watching carefully to see if they're able to continue seeing that demand, if they need to pass on price increases to keep their margins where they need to be. And so I would anticipate that we could see some weakening. It's something we've been talking about and watching for that we could see some weakening on the labor side of the picture. And if we see that, it would be something that we might want to respond to. Again, having to balance that against the inflation side, where we continue to really mess on that side of the mandate.
Interviewer 3:49 ↗
Well, what's the inflation outlook? Basically, are companies saying we can't absorb too much of this or are they going to try to hold off as long as possible, Americans going to feel the tariffs sometime soon?
Beth Hammack 4:02 ↗
Yeah, I mean, my expectation, my forecast is that we will see the inflation numbers tick up. The $30 billion a month in tariff revenues is being paid by someone. It looks like it's more being paid by importers and consumers at this point. I think importers have borne a lot of that to this date and it's likely that that will start to get pushed. We're hearing from the businesses we talked to that they can't absorb those costs anymore and they will start pushing that out into prices to consumers. If you look at some of our forecast, if you look at my forecast, I do expect that we're going to see inflation continue to tick up into the end of this year. And I expect that we'll see the labor market weaken into the end of this year. And again, how we need to manage that really depends on by how much and for how long we're going to miss on each side.
Interviewer 4:45 ↗
Well, let's talk about your forecast. Were you a two person or a one person for 2025? There are other choices in that there were seven people at no dots. I don't usually disclose my dot, but, you know, part of my view has been that we see an economy that's operating right around full employment. We've been reasonably close, not all the way where we need to be on the inflation side of our mandate and the growth numbers continue to do well. So to me, I think that the economy is operating right around a neutral long term rate. We're a little bit restrictive. I think I said modestly restrictive, but I don't think we have much further to go to get to a neutral Fed funds rate.
Beth Hammack 4:54 ↗
I don't usually disclose my dot, but, you know, part of my view has been that we see an economy that's operating right around full employment. We've been reasonably close, not all the way where we need to be on the inflation side of our mandate and the growth numbers continue to do well. So to me, I think that the economy is operating right around a neutral long term rate. We're a little bit restrictive. I think I said modestly restrictive, but I don't think we have much further to go to get to a neutral Fed funds rate.
Interviewer 5:19 ↗
I know that you're going to say one month's data are not determinative when I ask you this question, but I've got to ask because the markets are posing the question. We went from 40% chance of a rate move in September to over 70% after these numbers came out. Is September a realistic possibility now?

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