Well, I have January 23rd.
Oh, I'm looking at the date in the upper right. You're right. Under the byline is January 23rd.
There you go.
It's got two dates. I don't know which is correct.
All right. On page three of this article, and I'll let you take a moment. In the middle of that page, the article says that they identified nearly a dozen trusts connected to you. I don't think...
Sure. It starts in the paragraph Vuler and Boyd in the middle of the page.
I think they're associated with ABC's investigative reporting team.
Thank you. And it tells us that they found nearly a dozen trusts with names like health and science interests, arts interests, and community interests connected to Wexner that listed Epstein as trustee and received large gifts of stock in Wexner's company. So, I'll stop there. Do you have a recollection of the trusts that are described here?
None. And so, do you have any recollection of Mr. Epstein's role with those trusts?
Okay. We will come back to that, but I'd like to touch for a moment on Epstein's role with the Wexner Foundation. And for that I will introduce minority exhibit C. And this document is titled independent review of Jeffrey Epstein's involvement and interactions with the Wexner Foundation. And the document is dated February 24th, 2020. I'm not going to ask you to read through this. It's a long document. I will point you to a specific part of it. But first, we understand this to be an independent review that was undertaken by a law firm at the request of the Wexner Foundation in the wake of Mr. Epstein's arrest in 2019. Is that also your understanding?
I never knew of it. And I've looked at this. I'm laughing because the address is 65 East State Street and that was the address of my dad's first store when I was 13.
Okay. Well, so is the report unfamiliar to you?
And I think page four of the report says that you were interviewed by the law firm for this report. Do you have any recollection of that?
Do you have any reason to doubt the report that you were in fact interviewed for the report?
No. I don't remember it, so I can't doubt it.
Page nine of the report simply tells us that Epstein, and I'll let you turn to it if you'd like, but it just tells us that Epstein was elected as a trustee of the Wexner Foundation in 1992 and that he remained a trustee until September 2007.
Epstein would not have been the only trustee of the Wexner Foundation.
Correct. Objection to as to hearsay as to the document. The question is fine. Can you repeat it?
Sure. Did the Wexner Foundation have more than one trustee?
I'm sure it did. And I think there was a legal requirement to have three and I don't know that. I just think that.
All right. On the next page, page 10, under the header number two, there's a header that reads, 'Epstein played no role in the operation of the foundation's fellowships or other programs.' And the first sentence afterward says, 'Based upon our review of foundation records and interviews with foundation leaders, we concluded that although a trustee, Epstein played no role in the management or administration of the foundation's operations or programs.' Now, on that topic, I'd like to introduce one more single page exhibit for you.
So, I'm just going to object to the statement as both the statement and your say, but go ahead.
I think as the majority general counsel noted, the objections have no legal grounding in this forum.
I'm making it for the record. It is a deposition, so I'm making the objection. That's all.
Listen. So, this is a single page. And I'll give you a moment to look it over.
That's D.
I'll describe it briefly. This is... Can you give him a chance to read it? Thank you.
I think I just read it. I've never seen this before, but go ahead.
Great. It's an email chain from 2006 starting with Peg Ugland, who we understand was the financial controller for your family office, a person named Darren, who we understand to be Mr. Epstein's lawyer, Darren Indyke, and Jeffrey Epstein. And the chain appears to relate to a foundation grant. And the question is whether the funds should come from the Wexner Foundation or some other related entity. Epstein appears to make the decision that if the recipient is a US charity, then the funds should come from the Wexner Foundation. There are other emails with similar themes. This email chain seems to clearly show Mr. Epstein acting as a final decision maker with respect to the disbursement of Wexner Foundation funds. And that obviously does not square with findings in the independent report. So having been interviewed for the report, my question is whether you had any understanding of Mr. Epstein playing this kind of role for the foundation.
I'm not sure I understand the question.
Are you asking me did Jeffrey decide that money should be given to Darren or do I write a personal check or is it a foundation check?
It seems in this example, Mr. Epstein was deciding whether or not the funds for this entity should or should not come from the Wexner Foundation or from someplace else, not whether the donation should be made itself. I think that's the distinction he's trying to draw.
I had no recollection of where it came from. I regularly helped Abba Eban after he retired from government and I probably would have started with writing a personal check and then I would speculate how it was paid. I don't remember writing the check. But Eban was a very good friend and he had no money. He worked for the government of Israel and social security was his income, was nothing. He was like living in public housing and my sense was that it wasn't fair. So I took care of him privately and his wife Susie until they both died.
Did you have any knowledge that Mr. Epstein was acting as a final decision maker for whether or not to spend foundation funds?
Not at all. He would never have done that.
He does appear to have done it here as a decision maker.
No, absolutely not. I wouldn't have known it. Wouldn't have thought it.
So this role would have occurred without your knowledge.
Objection. Seems that not in evidence.
It happened without my knowledge, but I did give money to my friend Abba Eban and his wife Susie.
Okay. Thank you.
I think we've had an additional member of Congress join us. If that individual could identify themselves, please.
Congressman Steve Lynch of the 8th Congressional District of Massachusetts.
