Did you ever spend time with Epstein and Donald Trump?
I would answer this question accurately. I would go to some of the Victoria's Secret fashion shows because it was very important to the brand. At some of the fashion shows, Jeffrey was there and some Trump was there.
Has Donald Trump ever discussed Jeffrey Epstein with you?
Nope. Did Jeffrey Epstein ever discuss Donald Trump with you? I would describe it. He would name drop it. So he would say things like, 'I know President Clinton or I know the Pope or I know God or you know or I know you.' It was that kind of name dropping but never... I can't remember a specific place, but Jeffrey dropped a lot of names.
You ever visit his island in the US Virgin Islands?
Can you tell us about those visits?
Yes. Jeffrey invited us to see it and we were on a boat and we went to the island with our kids. So Abigail, myself, but I can't remember how many kids we had. Two or three or four, but at least two. Walked around for a while and left. Probably an hour visit.
Do you would fly just to go visit for 1 hour?
Yeah, I would fly to Europe for 1 hour on business trips. As crazy as it is, getting on the plane and going places for me was like going to the mailbox.
I'd like to ask you about Epstein's properties and your visits to them. Of course, the New York and New Albany houses were originally yours we discussed earlier. And you also had a house in Palm Beach. Is that correct?
Objection. I think he testified that the house in New Albany was Mr. Kessler's.
Okay. I was just trying to clarify. No, thank you. And the house in Palm Beach, was there a house that you had in Palm Beach, sir?
I did have a house in Palm Beach.
Okay. Did you ever visit Epstein's house in Palm Beach?
Can you tell us about that visit?
He bought a house in Palm Beach and he wanted me to see it. I think he wanted me and Abigail to see it. And we flew down on like a Sunday morning with friends of ours from Columbus. Walked, looked at the house, you know, congratulations, got back on the plane and came home. So, and it was a pretty modest house.
Did you ever witness Donald Trump at the house?
Do you recall any other prominent figures at the Palm Beach house?
No. Just Jeffrey and my friends.
Who were the other friends?
Juvie and Steve Tuckerman. Dr. Steven Tuckerman and his wife Judith.
I'm sure they'll be delighted about that.
Did you ever visit his island in the US Virgin Islands?
Can you tell us about those visits?
Yes. Jeffrey invited us to see it and we were on a boat and we went to the island with our kids. So Abigail, myself, but I can't remember how many kids we had. Two, three or four, but at least two. Walked around for a while and left. Probably an hour visit.
Okay. An hour. So on that trip, do you recall seeing any prominent figures on the island?
No, it was a pretty crummy island.
Okay. Did you ever visit his ranch in New Mexico or his house in Paris?
Do you want to break those up for clarity?
Did you ever visit his ranch in New Mexico?
It was the same kind of thing. He wanted Abigail and I to see his ranch. We flew down there and drove around for an hour or two, got back on the plane and came home. And I don't think he had a house.
So you would fly just to go visit for 1 hour?
Yeah, I would fly to Europe for 1 hour on business trips. As crazy as it is, getting on the plane and going places for me was like going to the mailbox. And he didn't have a house on the ranch and I never knew he had a house in Paris.
And in the ranch in New Mexico that you spent an hour at, were there any prominent figures or anyone that you recall else being there?
No, as I recall, it was just Abigail, myself, and I think he'd rented a trailer. So, it wasn't a house and that's all I know.
Okay. And so to clarify, you didn't know he had a house in Paris, so you did not ever go to the house in Paris?
I didn't know he had a house in Paris, and therefore I didn't go to the house in Paris.
Okay. During any of your visits to any of these properties, did you ever see any girls or women that looked unusually young?
