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Mohamed El-Erian
Chief Economic Advisor, Allianz

Mohamed El-Erian at “Investing is a Sea by The Family Office”

📅 Feb 19, 2026 The Family Office 43 MIN 263 VIEWS 34 SEGMENTS · 5 SPEAKERS
In this session, Mohamed El-Erian, Chairman of Gramercy Fund Management and former President of Queens’ College, Cambridge University, shares his perspective on the forces shaping global markets and the US economy. The discussion explores today’s macroeconomic landscape, including shifting monetary conditions, geopolitical uncertainty, and the implications for investors navigating an increasingly complex environment. The session is moderated by Maya Hojeij, Senior Business Anchor at Asharq Bloomberg, and forms part of “Investing is a Sea by The Family Office”, where global insights and lon...

Questions asked in this interview

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  1. 19:51Are they not an issue in 2026?
  2. 21:38How do we see this affecting or relating to other markets and how do we read the bond market in the future?
  3. 22:54Are people interested in it or should we monitor and watch?
  4. 25:30How do they take those opportunities?
  5. 26:31So since you mentioned US Treasury bonds, how do you see them moving over the next couple of years let's say, not to be too optimistic and too long term?
  6. 27:24So what is the percentage of stagflation in your opinion that we might see in 2026?
  7. 28:16What do we expect and how will that affect the way that we make our investment decisions?
  8. 30:35So that doesn't create uncertainty for the rest of the world and their belief in the economic system?
  9. 31:17And how can they elevate their productivity in order to be able to make better investment choices?
  10. 36:25Can we get a question from the audience?
  11. 36:30So how would you combine all these sentences with the fundamental requirements for investment?
Narrator 0:00 ↗
To understand where we are going, we must analyze the currents of the global economy. We are joined by one of the world's most respected economic voices. He is the chairman of Grammari Fund Management and the former president of Queens College, Cambridge. Please everyone welcome Dr. Muhammad Alan.
Mohammed El-erian 0:37 ↗
Your Highnesses, Excellencies, ladies and gentlemen, friends, it is an incredible honor and a real pleasure for me to be here. I would like to thank Abdul Mosen for inviting me and I would like to thank our colleagues at the family office for organizing such a special event in a really unique and breathtaking place. My objective with you is to have a conversation. So the plan is I will share with you some thoughts for 15 minutes and then Maya will come up and we will have a dialogue and we will also have an opportunity for questions from the audience. I hope to leave you with four points. One, that 2025 was a paradox. We were hit by all sorts of news. If you take the image of the sea, we seem to go from one storm to another. As His Highness said, geopolitics changed, the world changed. And yet, if you look at the outcomes, economic and market, they were good. Quite a paradox. What does that tell us about this year? The second thing I want to share with you is what new issues have already emerged that will play out during the year. Third, we will summarize all this to look at the distribution of outcomes for this year and next. And finally, since we are gathered here by the family office, we will talk about investment implications.
So, one of the hardest things to reconcile in 2025 was the journey and the destination. A very bumpy journey. People felt like they were trying to drink from a fire hose of news every single day. And the news had one label to it, geoeconomics. What is geoeconomics? It is this notion that economic policy, economic outcomes is determined less by economic logic and more by geopolitics, national security and domestic politics. So we had a fire hose of geoeconomic news and in the process we dismantled two paradigms, two anchors. So think again the global economy in the sea. It lost both its anchors in the middle of a storm. The one anchor was globalization, the notion that bringing countries together through trade, through investment, through people makes better outcomes. And the other was what was called the Washington consensus, the policies that were advocated by the United States to others in order to promote prosperity, free trade, respect of institutions, fiscal discipline.
So, it's not a surprise that the following issues were: were we going to have a global trade war or not? How bad would the inflation effects of US tariffs be? How will China navigate its collapsing trade with the US? How will the US consumer, the engine of growth, maintain momentum with such high prices? What happens when you decouple GDP growth from employment? And finally, will the bond market lose patience? All these questions were asked and yet despite all these uncertainties, look at the result. We had the IMF updates last week. Global growth was a very respectable 3.3%. US growth accelerated to 2.4%. The Euro zone, which people thought would go into recession, 1.4% and emerging markets, which we'll talk about later today with Dr. Basat and Lord O'Neal, 4.4%. If you look at the growth numbers it was a good year. Look at the market numbers. If you are a global equity investor, 21% return. If you had ventured into risky markets, emerging markets, 34% returns. In a very unusual, you did well on your risky assets and you did well on your risk-free asset. We all know what gold has done, what silver has done. Investors made money virtually everywhere. The global economy had good growth. And yet we had all these questions.
There are two narratives that explain why this happened. One is the market narrative. It's all noise. It all is noise. You don't pay attention to it. Why? One phrase was TACO: Trump Always Chickens Out. So whenever the market sells off, you simply buy. Another was the behavior that the markets have come to adopt which is buy the dip because markets just keep on going up and every time the market sold off people came in. That's the market interpretation. The economic interpretation has to do with resilience. You will hear from Nouriel Roubini later today and he came out with the notion that AI beats everything. That because we had an AI engine that meant that the economy was resilient to shocks. There's another view that says you just wait. You remember Brexit? Remember when the United Kingdom exited from its main trading relationship? It took time for the effects to be felt. My explanation is very simple. Again, the image of the sea. There were crosscurrents, there were winds, there were storms, but there were two engines taking us through this. One engine, AI. Massive amount of investments because the markets threw money at anything that had an AI label on it. And to China, do you remember I told you that shipment to the US collapsed? They collapsed by a fifth, by 20%. And yet China grew its exports and generated a trade surplus of 1.2 trillion. Those two engines took us through all these uncertainties.
The problem is that these uncertainties are still with us. Protectionism is still with us. Just this year, we've had threats of tariffs of 100% on Canada, on South Korea. There's a question mark as to the inflation effects of tariffs. I sit on a corporate board. Our immediate decision was we don't know whether tariffs will last so let's not pass the price to the consumer. Why upset your consumers if you don't know what the Supreme Court is going to decide? So the story isn't finished but we have new things. Affordability has become the most important word in the US and Europe. The average person feels they can no longer afford their standard of living. And because of that we are seeing policies aimed at improving affordability. We have seen the US government in particular enter different markets including the mortgage markets in order to make things more affordable. This will increase because we have elections in November. China was able to redirect a lot of its exports to Europe. But Europe is having indigestion now. Europe can no longer absorb all these exports. You will see protectionism between Europe and China. The bond market was very patient. That patience is going to be tested because of all of the demands on the bond market. High government deficits in advanced economies, enormous AI needs, household, corporates. Remember, in the last three and a half years, the bond market has already attacked three of the seven G7 countries. The UK in 2022, France in 2024, and Japan in 2025. We are starting to see many currency wars. The US complaining that the Japanese yen is too weak. Complaining that the Korean currency is too weak. And then finally and one of the biggest questions is AI. Will the hyperscalers be able to monetize the enormous investments that has been made and will the adoption of AI, not those working on AI but those working with AI, will that happen at the speed and with the uniformity that's required to unleash the productivity miracle.
So whatever you do and you put all this in and you say what does the distribution of outcome looks like? What am I to expect? The central scenario, the baseline which we would hope would be 80-90% probability is 50% probability. And that baseline is a continuation of last year. Then the distribution has two extremes at 25% each. The good 25% that we get AI adoption, that the bond market is patient and you unleash higher growth, higher productivity that allows us to navigate high debt, protectionism, attack on central banks. That's the 25% positive tail. And the 25% negative tail is we get stagflation. Growth slows down, inflation grows. Now let me tell you that this is the worst distribution to have. Your central scenario is only 50%. And then you look left, you look right, it is the same probability. That can be paralyzing. It can absolutely paralyze you. So the important thing is what should you conclude and how do you embrace the implication of what's called the multimodal distribution. The first one is volatility. Get ready for volatility. And the problem with volatility, it can make you do the wrong thing at the wrong time. So always ask yourself, am I well equipped to navigate volatility? Am I resilient enough? Are my liquidity needs covered? The second is dispersion. We're going to see an accelerated divergence between countries, between sectors, between companies, between households. There will be more of the so-called K-shaped economy. And the third is fragmentation. More and more of the global systems for the reasons cited by His Royal Highness will start fragmenting and you will be seeing the rewiring at the margin of trade, of investment. Volatility, dispersion, fragmentation. These are your themes for the year ahead.
So, how does it play out in the investment world? If you think about it, investors are paid for different things. We normally have three streams of returns. We have what we call the secular stream. You get paid because a long-term bet works out over time. AI, electricity back in the days, the convergence of emerging markets, the coming together of the European Union. These are secular themes and they pay you over time. That was very powerful last year. It will not be that powerful this year. The second is the structural bucket. You are being paid because you are completing markets, because you're addressing market failures. You're completing the mortgage market. Private credit was an example of a structural trade. Private equity was an example. Today, the most promising is private credit in emerging markets where advanced countries were 15 years ago. That theme of structural stays relevant but you need to look beyond the advanced economies. And then the third theme is opportunistic. Taking advantage of people who need liquidity, taking advantage of market overshoots. That is going to be a very important theme. So there will be a shift in return streams from secular which was very strong last year. It will be less strong this year to structural and opportunistic. That will mean that your investment portfolio will become more barbelled with high conviction returns over here. Returns that can take you through the storm and many opportunistic opportunities here.
So the last thing I want to say is something that we don't normally talk about which is how do you have the execution to allow for this? Abdul Rahman reminded me that the one lesson from history is if you don't know where you're going, you need three characteristics. You need resilience which means if I make a mistake it's a fully recoverable mistake that comes from financial resilience and human resilience. The second thing you need is optionality and an open mindset. Think differently because the world is changing. And third you need agility. The ability to move quickly when the opportunities arise. You will get that if you take the three things that I will conclude with: high certainty of execution. Ask yourself what would I do in different scenarios so that when that scenario happens you have a high certainty of execution. Secondly, take seriously not just the promise of the AI transformation but the complexity of the AI transformation. Satya Nadella, the CEO of Microsoft, summarizes what has happened in the last three years very simply. He said just over three years ago when we all heard about ChatGPT, AI was simple. You ask it a question it gives you an answer. Two years ago AI evolved and it became you give it a task. Write me a document, summarize this document, write me an email and it will deliver on the task. Today AI is your intellectual companion. It is having a 100 plus PhDs with enormous knowledge. Yes, they make mistakes but they are much more knowledgeable than any other resource you had available to you. And if you know how to use it, which is a big if, it can make life very different for you in a positive way. So the complexity of working with AI is something that has to be taken really seriously. And the final thing, and this is where I'm going to end and have a conversation with Maya, is the importance of governance. We often forget the importance of governance. In a world like this, you need governments that allow you to shift between return streams, to be willing to ask the uncomfortable question and most importantly to be open to the fact that the world is changing in a way that we don't know ultimately what the destination looks like. Thank you very much.
Moderator 19:17 ↗
Thank you very much Dr. Muhammad El-Erian. This was a wonderful speech. Markets are navigating a world of high interest rates, political uncertainty, geopolitical fragmentation, and rapid technological change. Therefore, the question is no longer whether growth survives, but what kind of growth lies ahead. Therefore leading this conversation is the senior business anchor at Asharq Bloomberg, Maya. Thank you Dina.
Maya 19:51 ↗
Thank you. That was a very very thorough presentation. We have a few questions. You did stay away from the interest rates. Are they not an issue in 2026?
Mohammed El-erian 20:03 ↗
When I say the patience of the bond market will be tested, I'm basically saying that we will see more interest rate volatility. The question is why didn't we see more interest rate volatility in the US? Because when you think of it, we have a new Fed chair who will be announced today. So we have a possible change in regimes at the Federal Reserve. We have massive debt being issued. We have the necessity to fund OpenAI, Google, etc. So why haven't we seen more volatility? If you think about it, 10-year interest rates have been in a very small narrow range, 420 to 430. And the reason has to do with what happened in Japan. Japan adopted a few years ago something called yield curve control that we're going to target a certain level of interest rates. This administration which is fixated on affordability and on mortgage affordability will not tolerate interest rates going up too much. Already they have shifted part of their issuance to the short end to try to lower the pressure on the long end. And I think the market understands that it is not impossible. In fact, it's likely that if interest rates go too high, we will get direct intervention in the market through purchases, exactly what the Japanese did. So that's why the US interest rate is relatively stable and other interest rates have been much more volatile and I think you're going to continue seeing this this year.
Maya 21:38 ↗
And you did mention the Japanese model. The Japanese bond market went into turmoil last week. How do we see this affecting or relating to other markets and how do we read the bond market in the future?
Mohammed El-erian 21:52 ↗
So what happens in Japan doesn't stay in Japan. And that's why people were so focused on the Japanese bond market. As Maya said, you had a few things that came together. You had inflation concerns. You had a new prime minister who would like to be more activist on the fiscal side. And next thing you knew, interest rates started going up in a disorderly fashion. Now why is that an issue for people outside Japan? Ahmed Basat who was at BlackRock, I was at PIMCO, would see the Japanese coming in and buying a lot of foreign securities. The Japanese are very large holders of foreign securities. The concern is that as they make losses on the domestic portfolios, they will have to sell the external securities. So that's why people are keeping an eye on this because the last thing you want is for Japan to be selling the foreign securities.
Maya 22:54 ↗
In the beginning of your talk today, you mentioned there's the risky investments and the non-risky investments and they both did well in 2025. We saw gold, the safe havens yesterday hit 5,600 for a second I think. Then it went down. How do you look at gold? Now we have a room full of investors. Is gold still a safe haven? Will we have a correction there? Are people interested in it or should we monitor and watch?
Mohammed El-erian 23:27 ↗
So a year ago when I was on CNBC, I was asked where do you see gold prices in 2025? And I said we may reach 5,000. And people laughed. And I was wrong because we didn't reach 5,000 in 2025. We've reached 5,000 in January of 2026. Why? There are three very powerful forces. The first one is central banks, Asian central banks. You cannot find another currency to replace the dollar. So if you want to reduce slowly your exposure to the dollar, you buy lots of other things. One thing that central banks are doing right now, especially China, is buying gold every month, programmatic. Now the minute you put in a central bank with very deep pockets buying an asset and if you have confidence that they will continue buying that asset, you know that they are non-commercial buyers. They are not price sensitive. They will buy at 3,000. They will buy at 4,000, they will buy at 5,000. That attracts institutional investors. And what we've seen is institutional investors adopt more gold as a central asset. So the weight of gold has gone from zero in most model portfolios to somewhere between 5 and 10%. The minute speculators say, 'Wait a minute, the central banks are buyers, the institutional investors are buyers, I will front-run both.' And then you turbocharge the whole thing. But you also make it more volatile. This year you will see a lot more volatility because a lot of speculators are going to say, 'Alhamdulillah, now let me just book my profits and then other buyers will come in.' It wouldn't surprise me if we see 6,000, but it's going to be a much more volatile journey to that level.
Maya 25:30 ↗
So when we look at gold, we say it's a non-return investment. You see it going to 6,000 and if the market is volatile, so there are opportunities there. How do they take those opportunities?
Mohammed El-erian 25:43 ↗
So the notion that gold doesn't return is because it doesn't pay any dividends. It doesn't pay any interest rate. But in a world in which the advanced economies are no longer as predictable, their bonds, their safe haven bonds are no longer safe haven. You know, we've had a few periods where advanced countries' bonds have behaved like developing country bonds. So the attraction of gold, the primary attraction of gold is risk mitigation. It is a risk mitigation asset. Now it just happens that this risk mitigation asset also has principal upside but the role of gold in a portfolio is to somewhat replace what US Treasury bonds used to do in that portfolio.
Maya 26:31 ↗
So since you mentioned US Treasury bonds, how do you see them moving over the next couple of years let's say, not to be too optimistic and too long term?
Mohammed El-erian 26:42 ↗
So in the central scenario, 50%, we are rangebound between four and four and a half. In the good scenario where AI, life sciences, robotics come together and adoption is fast and relatively even, 25%, the speed limit for non-inflationary growth goes up and in that world we may actually see the 10-year move to 4%. In the bad scenario, which is stagflation, it can be anywhere. It literally can be anywhere.

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