I don't specifically recall, but I would guess fairly.
I should be more clear. Was he compensated with a salary or would it have been investment based or securities or fee based? Do you recall what was the way in which you would compensate him?
We discussed earlier, I think that the breadth of his theft from you, I think, has been estimated by your councils to be the hundreds of millions. Do you recall approximately what Mr. Epstein's total compensation would have been in his time with you?
I'm sure I would have known them, but I don't recall.
I'd like to talk about Mr. Epstein's misappropriation or theft of your assets. And so I will introduce as exhibit E. So this is an excerpt from a memo that the Department of Justice wrote in December of 2019 and DOJ was assessing the extent to which people around Epstein might have been liable for their conduct.
The memo is long. I will represent I've given you only the excerpt that relates to you. There's nothing else in this document that relates to you directly. The section that I've given you on pages on the second and third pages of the document that's 65 and 66 at the bottom. This is a summary of a profer that your lawyer or lawyers gave to DOJ in July of 2019. With respect to Epstein's theft from you, in the second half of the second paragraph, I'll read it out loud. Your attorneys quote, explained that over his years handling Wexner's finances, Epstein stole or otherwise misappropriated several hundred million from Wexner. That misconduct together with the fees that Epstein paid himself for his services to Wexner appears to account for virtually all of Epstein's wealth. So several hundred million is a large but not precise figure. To the best of your knowledge, how much exactly did Epstein steal?
I don't know. I don't think I'll ever know.
I'd like to try to understand a little bit better how Epstein was able to steal or misappropriate that many funds. One way reportedly is that the trusts that we described earlier, which I know you said you have no recollection of, I just want to be thorough. The trusts that he was trustee of would receive gifts of limited stock and he would then sell that stock on the New York Stock Exchange and then use a portion of those proceeds for his own personal purposes. Do you have any knowledge or recollection of what I just described?
I'm effing surprised. I shocked I didn't know this.
Is it that you have not previously heard what I just described?
I never heard of it. Never saw this document.
And it was publicly reported, I think, by ABC several years ago, but not ever on your radar.
Okay. The report indicates that it was more than or around $1.3 billion of stock that Epstein moved around that way. Not that he kept all of that money for himself, but the total amount of stock sales was over a billion dollars. You have no knowledge or awareness of that?
I don't know the amounts. The only trust that I'm aware of is my wife set up trusts for our kids, you know. So, however she set them up in the amounts, I have no idea what's in them then or now.
And then separately, it's been reported that around $20 million of stock and cash were contributed by two of your charitable foundations to one of Epstein's charities. Do you have any knowledge or awareness of that?
Effing shocked. I just I'm appalled. I never heard that.
Thank you. We have some additional questions with some questions from some of the members here. I'll start. I want to just go back to something. Now earlier in the deposition, you said that you were never aware of Jeffrey Epstein or Maxwell sexually abusing minors or adult women. Is that correct?
I know Jeffrey was accused by an adult woman of abusing her and that's the only thing that I knew until the hit the fan.
So prior to it becoming public knowledge you were never aware of Jeffrey...
You have to wait till he finishes asking the question.
Sorry the court reporters will get mad at you if you don't.
So I think you said you were not. Were you ever aware of Jeffrey Epstein or Maxwell sexually abusing men or boys?
Okay. How about trafficking men or boys?
Prior to it becoming public knowledge, were you ever aware of Jeffrey Epstein or Ghislaine Maxwell arranging for a prominent person to have sex with another person?
Okay. Can I ask you, Mr. Wexner, were you ever with Jeffrey Epstein in the presence of women or men in bathing suits or underwear?
Never in the presence of women or men in bathing suits or underwear with Mr. Epstein?
No. If he was at the fashion show he'd have seen women in underwear but you know...
So you're saying that if he was at a fashion show with you through the fashion business it may have been the case but could it have been the case that you were with Mr. Epstein maybe prior to the fashion show or in another space?
So did any women or men ever model clothes for you in the presence of Mr. Epstein?
So not at a fashion show and not in a private home or residence?
As you know, being in the audience at the fashion show would have been the only possible time.
Are you aware of any individual that has given either a public statement or any information of anyone that has actually said that they believe you were with Mr. Epstein in the presence of women or men modeling clothes or underwear?
I think the answer is no, but I'm not sure I understand the question.
I'll move on. Did just a direct question for you, sir. Also, did you yourself ever have a sexual encounter with any individual that was introduced to you by Jeffrey Epstein or Maxwell?
Did you personally have a sexual relationship with Jeffrey Epstein?
Are you aware that others have claimed that you had a sexual relationship with Jeffrey Epstein?
Did you ever suspect, sir, if Jeffrey Epstein ever had any sexual relationships with other men?
But since it being public knowledge, you are now aware that Jeff had inappropriate sexual relationships with other women. Is that correct?
Yes. What I know from the press, the stories. Yes.
Okay. Thank you.
Thank you. I'd like to ask you about Epstein's properties and your visits to them. Of course, Epstein's New York and New Albany houses were originally yours, we discussed earlier, and you also had a house in Palm Beach. Is that correct?
Objection. I think he testified that the house in New Albany was Mr. Kesler's.
Okay. I'm just trying to clarify. No, thank you. And the house in Palm Beach, was there a house that you had in Palm Beach? Sorry.
I did have a house in Palm Beach.
Okay. Did you ever visit Epstein's Palm Beach house?
Can you tell us about that visit?
He bought a house in Palm Beach and he wanted me to see it. I think he wanted me and Abigail to see it and we flew down on like a Sunday morning with friends of ours from Columbus. Looked at the house, you know, congratulations. Got back on the plane and came home. So, and it was a pretty modest house.
