CEOInterviews.AIDan Clancy talks to TheSushiDragon | Let's Chat Podcast EP 8

D

Dan Clancy0:02

Hello and welcome to Let's Chat. Let's Chat is a live podcast where I talk with creators about live streaming and the ways that streamers and their community shape culture yesterday, today, and in the future.

S

Sushi Dragon0:17

I get on the game, have a good time, talk to chat, and just enjoy the moment.

U

Unknown0:21

It's what the kids enjoy these days.

S

Sushi Dragon0:23

You cannot lay the next brick without the one that comes before it. It took me so much time. Time is the most valuable resource in the entire world. And I still want to collaborate with a lot of different communities and sort of be the bridge between them.

D

Dan Clancy0:41

Hello and welcome to Let's Chat. So, I'm Dan Clancy. I'm the CEO of Twitch and joining me today is the one and only and unique Sushi Dragon.

S

Sushi Dragon0:52

Yep, that's me. How you guys doing? Hi. How you guys doing? Thank you so much for having me, Dan.

D

Dan Clancy0:58

All right, so Sushi, since you... What is your real name for everyone?

S

Sushi Dragon1:02

Stefan.

D

Dan Clancy1:03

Stefan. So for those who don't know, I just call him Sushi and I always have to go, 'Oh, wait. What's his name?' Oh, yeah. It's Stefan. That's right. That's right.

S

Sushi Dragon1:11

That's so funny. Daniel. So, everyone loves calling you Dan.

D

Dan Clancy1:16

Yes. So, so be ready everybody. Grab onto your seat. Okay. Things move fast with Sushi Dragon. Okay. You're not going to get comfortable. He doesn't like anyone getting comfortable. Okay. We're going to start simple though before he blows your mind with all of his tech stuff. And we're going to try to keep him kind of subdued where he tells us a little bit about how this creature came to be. And so, how did this creature we all know and love as Sushi Dragon come to be? Tell us about your background.

S

Sushi Dragon1:51

Wow. That's a heavy question. A lot to start. I don't even know what gadget to share that really embodies basically consumer technology. I saw consumer technology and I saw there are so many creative ways to do it to truly just express what goes in here. You know, your imagination, mine, right? I have a quote that's on my bio which is: 'For Mousel technology is the absolute necessity to advance human imagination.' So I kind of took that and started off with webcams, started off with one computer, ended up having eight.

D

Dan Clancy2:36

When was it?

S

Sushi Dragon2:37

Oh, geez, it was way before COVID. 2016 when I made my Twitch channel but I really started taking off probably in 2018. Chat help me out, chat. Look, I got floating chat.

A

Audience Member2:55

2017, I would say 2017.

D

Dan Clancy2:57

2017, and did you have a day job then?

S

Sushi Dragon3:00

Yeah, I did. And I was going to get promoted at this... Well, I was going to get a higher paying day job.

D

Dan Clancy3:09

What was your day job?

S

Sushi Dragon3:12

Uh, it was working at Ross. Also before that I was working two jobs essentially. Target Electronics, at Ross.

D

Dan Clancy3:24

All right. So it was a day job but it wasn't a day career yet.

S

Sushi Dragon3:29

No, I was going to get a day career working for the US governmental prison system.

D

Dan Clancy3:37

Wow.

S

Sushi Dragon3:38

Yeah. It was a stable job, benefits, everything. And then, you know what? You know why I didn't get the job? I missed the call because I was streaming. I was streaming my part-time thing as an affiliate. And I get a call. I missed it because I'm just goofing off with chat. I was like, 'Oh, geez.' I think that was the call from the interviewer. It's like, guys, I kind of needed that job. That was like a salary job. And then just life kind of blew up from there.

D

Dan Clancy4:09

All right. And so for anyone who doesn't know Sushi, if you're looking for someone who's going to push the limits on technology in streaming, Sushi is your man. Okay. He's always thinking through new things. The interesting thing is, talk about your technical background because you were not a software engineer.

S

Sushi Dragon4:30

Nope.

D

Dan Clancy4:31

But you do all sorts of stuff now.

S

Sushi Dragon4:34

I had a joke that I was an MIT graduate. Not even... I didn't... I failed college. Like I dropped out of college three times.

D

Dan Clancy4:46

Wait. So you were very successful at dropping out of college.

S

Sushi Dragon4:50

Yeah.

D

Dan Clancy4:53

You're extremely skilled.

S

Sushi Dragon4:55

That's a good joke. Yeah. And really good at procrastinating and all that, but yeah, I tried three times. Chat, can I show chat real quick? Look, chat's on my screen and I see chat through my little phone, but also the phone can show me as well.

D

Dan Clancy5:14

Okay, now remember Sushi, we're going to do all the wow stuff a little bit later. We're going to... You're going to have to talk for a little while.

S

Sushi Dragon5:23

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, hi. I just want to say hi to chat. Hi, chat. Mom was proud. So, what? Oh, yeah. My background, right? So, Target Electronics, they loved me because I had such an enthusiasm for just consumer gear and tech and just tinkering. So they... I kind of knew what this camera did, what that camera, the memory card, the speeds and everything, the USB. And that's my background pretty much, tinkering with RC stuff, cars and video games.

D

Dan Clancy5:57

So, okay. So, before we get into other topics, I'm going to start with this topic because I think everyone will appreciate this as they see the conversation and I'm curious about your thoughts about this. So, a lot of times streamers identify as being somewhere on the ADHD spectrum. I do. And it's almost like the way I describe Sushi is, Sushi is to people with ADHD, he's someone that has ADHD like squared or tripled or quadrupled.

S

Sushi Dragon6:28

Oh, yeah. What is the difference? There's ADD and there's ADHD. Hyperactive.

D

Dan Clancy6:32

Hyperactive.

S

Sushi Dragon6:34

Yeah.

D

Dan Clancy6:35

You probably have the ADD one.

S

Sushi Dragon6:37

No, I'm also... No, no, no. I have the hyperactive one too.

D

Dan Clancy6:40

Really? Go Super Saiyan with me then. Three, two, one.

S

Sushi Dragon6:45

Super Saiyan Dad can't do it. Only Sushi Dragon.

D

Dan Clancy6:50

See, the beauty is that we have talked about this before, but that's moved in and out of Sushi's focus mind. But so no, talk to me about how you think about ADHD and all that you do because your brain is always moving.

S

Sushi Dragon7:02

Yeah, brain's always moving. Well, it's a lack of stimulation. So, my stream kind of evolved around having ADHD. I couldn't just be on one camera. I had to zoom in. I had to just cinema. I had to do live actions. I had to... this thing I have on my wrist, if you're viewing with eyeballs, it's like a fidget spinner, but it's called a Twiddler. Twiddler 4. And allows me to do fidgety things. So, it keeps my brain locked in. On the website, by the way, if you want to go check it out, it's on my about section down below. They found my stream and they're like, 'What? We sold that as a keyboard. Why are you using video production?' I was like, 'Well, it works, right?' So, I like to tinker with unconventional. The same thing with the scouter. That's the scouter. People caught wind of my stream and they said, 'What? We normally use this for medical fields and everything. This guy's using it for video production.' So they hit me up with more of these. They send me free ones, streamer benefits, all that.

D

Dan Clancy8:07

Yeah, the beauty of it is I think you are someone, if there's someone that was destined to be a streamer, I think you were the person that was destined to be a streamer.

S

Sushi Dragon8:18

I feel like streaming though is more podcasty like you. I feel like this is a very different field.

D

Dan Clancy8:26

No. Because the reason is that for so many people with streaming, people with ADHD have a superpower of being able to process multiple things at once. And so you can be doing something and reading chat, and you can be gaming and reading chat and talking to chat while you're gaming and not be stressed out. Whereas a lot of times that could be stressful for people. And the beauty, the reason I say you're sort of destined is because you are at the very end of the spectrum that your brain moves so quick and you need constant stimulus, otherwise you start drifting. And that's why streaming is sort of perfect for you because you create this world of constant stimulus.

S

Sushi Dragon9:10

Thank you, Dad. That means so much. Is that a cool light effect? It's pretty cool, huh?

D

Dan Clancy9:16

Mhm. Very cool.

S

Sushi Dragon9:19

I learned that through streaming, too. But I agree with that. And I also agree that doing it live is different from sitting down and editing. I used to edit YouTube videos. My ADD would go everywhere. And my videos would come out like maybe once every two months. Wasn't a sustainable career, which is why I ended up working at Target, Ross. But the live aspect, I was able to just build out this vertical integration of tech that allowed me to express my thoughts, whether the thoughts are good or bad.

D

Dan Clancy9:58

So now let's talk a little bit about tech because anyone who's watching can see that you're in a kind of warehouse.

S

Sushi Dragon10:08

Yeah. Yeah.

D

Dan Clancy10:09

Describe what is your space? What have you created there?

S

Sushi Dragon10:17

I created essentially a live maker space for me to make things that you wouldn't normally find at a consumer store. This robot for example, this really was made through a lot of pain. This robot has crashed into things and it's at its seventh version. I love just prototyping things and seeing what sticks. I noticed a lot of people in the creative industry, they make stuff almost as a gimmick. I didn't make this as like, 'Oh look at cool funny robot.' This right here is a cameraman that will work for me for 10 plus hours on a charge. Doesn't need health insurance. No employee will ever want to do that. That gimbal gets super heavy and he just cruises around. I have a remote. Sometimes he autopilots. It's all built on how can I be like Mysterio, making these immersive worlds because truly that word immersion is what keeps my ADHD locked in. If I'm not immersed, I drift. I just kind of like, 'Oh, all right. I'm bored.'

D

Dan Clancy11:54

Well, now talk about this because when you're streaming...

S

Sushi Dragon12:00

Mhm.

D

Dan Clancy12:00

You are at very high energy. Okay. Not all the time, but how long will you normally stream for? And what's it like when you're done streaming?

S

Sushi Dragon12:12

It depends on how immersed I am. And I noticed that even with all this, I can still get bored. So, I start building things on stream that will keep the immersion more expansive. I start thinking like a video game developer. If I make this one effect and the effect goes all over the place, how much value does it have? The flying chat, I can kind of twist the chat. I can make chat stop, and then morph it a little bit and then kind of resize, recenter it. That has a lot of replay value. So, it's like I'm going to add DLCs for myself to make my world more immersive, expansive. So, I'm starting to do software and developing on stream and that stuff is not high energy. That stuff I have to lock in and it takes a lot of hours, takes a lot of time. And shout out Claude Code for helping me with that because I can kind of just think of the idea and integrate it with the help of others.

D

Dan Clancy13:21

Well, since you brought that up, and actually, hold on. I want to get to one thing and then I'm going to go back to Claude Code. So, how long do you stream in your regular stream?

S

Sushi Dragon13:34

Eight hours. Eight hours. Eight. Yeah.

D

Dan Clancy13:38

And when you're done streaming, is your brain still moving or are you like spent?

S

Sushi Dragon13:44

I try to put everything... I try to put on a good show. So, I... what's it called where you put it all out on stage. That way I could just sleep. Otherwise I did have moments where yeah, I couldn't sleep after all that energy. So I need to kind of release it both creatively, physically, and mentally at the end of the stream. So at the end of the stream, I'm kind of like checked out. I'm like, okay. But I used up all my creative. Because I had improv artists watch my stream when they saw me doing this for 8 hours. They say their cap is like 2 hours. Their mind just fries, because you're constantly thinking of a new joke, what to do next. You're full attention. Whereas your normal sustainable stream is side attention. People have your stream on a monitor to the side and etc. But me, I'm thinking the eyeballs are on me 24/7. So, I got to do something. I got to figure out what to entertain the show people next. It's a live audience out there.

D

Dan Clancy14:53

So, describe your... you of course do a lot of special streams of like cool stuff and oh, this stream, but on your regular stream, what are you doing for eight hours?

S

Sushi Dragon15:07

Challenging myself both creatively and technically, learning new things, what to implement, what camera would make sense to add next because there are... you see all the successes but you don't see the failures. You don't see the one time I opened up a Mac Mini sprayed it with waterproofing thinking that would work. There's a lot of prototyping on my stream. This whole desk here used to have MIDI controllers and I tried it out when you were in Austin, you saw some of it. I tried to see how I would like MIDI controllers for doing my stream production effects and I don't like it. So I'm actually going back to doing touchscreens and then these touchscreens are going to be completely wireless. Figuring out what works for me, what flows, what gets me in flow state. I'm doing live requests. So, I'm challenging myself with can I hear a song for the first time, get into flow state, and make live visuals. It's all improvised. The visuals are improv. So, I have to just get into flow state and see if I can match the visuals. So I'm doing stuff like that. I'm learning how to make my open-source software work with the newest and latest cool camera like DJI.

Oh my god, that's... subscribe. Let's go.

He was just here. Teammate, thank you. Oh my god. I saw you guys had a... Hey, Tmay. Let them know you're my boy. Can we collab? He's here. He's just... He's a little shy. Thank you so much for the sub. I get turned into a dragon from my boy Tmay. Okay. Thank you so much. Appreciate that. That's how many months in now? 19 months. 19 months with TB. All right. Let's go.

D

Dan Clancy18:22

Actually, I have a great topic now for T-Pain because why don't we go back to Claude Code?

S

Sushi Dragon18:28

Wait, wait. I didn't see that DM. I swear to God. Where? Where? Wait, wait, wait. Don't tell me I'm ghosting T-Pain. I didn't see it. I would love to find it. Where is it? Instagram. Instagram. Okay. Sorry. Go on. Go on, Dad. What were you saying?

D

Dan Clancy18:49

Or I can connect you, Sushi. That way you're not ghosting him.

S

Sushi Dragon18:53

Yeah, connect me. IG. IG.

D

Dan Clancy18:55

Actually, have you ever worked with T-Pain on any of the stuff he does?

S

Sushi Dragon19:00

NO.

D

Dan Clancy19:00

OH.

S

Sushi Dragon19:01

NO. That's so sad because him and I, we love technology. I have a voice clip of T-Pain. Oh, Sushi Dragon is the best, bro. I understand technology a lot. And you know, back in Tallahassee, she was in the military. My kids are getting into it. Yeah. But all his kids, it's Tallahassee. And T-Pain's great.

D

Dan Clancy19:27

So now we will go because actually y'all should really do need to work together because T-Pain loves his technology. I will tell you he loves his technology. It's very impressive. And I think you telling your story about what you've been doing with Claude Code might inspire him to also start doing that himself. So talk now about how Claude Code has changed things for you.

S

Sushi Dragon19:49

All right. Claude Code has hacked into my files. Okay. So, I've been kind of hesitant on AI. I've tried ChatGPT, you know. I've said like, 'Hey, it hasn't really helped with my making of effects because what I do is so proprietary. It's so creatively individualistic that AI didn't really get it.' That was until someone in chat named Clockwork Ninja gifted me Claude Code, which is like for six months it's like a hundred dollars. And I'm like, 'Whoa, that's a fat dono,' so I might as well use it, right? So I try it out. Also, Nastu, well, NAS was the one... Nast was the developer from Germany who also convinced me Claude Code was going to change my world. So me not being the drinking... I link it to my program, my open-source program, Chatane from a French developer. And then I say, I try to... I tell it to do something that took me personally eight hours to do by hand. And then I'm like, I'm doubting it. It's like, it's not going to do it. It spits it out in 30 seconds. And I'm like, 'Holy... he just did eight hours of work that I would have had to do.' When I showed chat how I would do it, I would show my desktop and be like, 'Okay, I got to link this, link this, this is why it takes forever for a human to do.' And it does it just like that. So the difference between Claude Code and the rest of the AI stuff is that it goes into your files, and it's not like... when I heard about OpenClaw, that's when my mind started turning because OpenClaw, everyone was starting to buy these Mac Minis, which I had plenty of. So, I started selling.

D

Dan Clancy21:54

You don't know what OpenClaw is? Describe what OpenClaw is.

S

Sushi Dragon21:57

OpenClaw is like an AI agent that goes in your computer, reads your emails, and sends out emails. I don't need that. I don't need a management assistant. That's boring stuff for me. I just wanted it to be an agent to help me make effects because I take forever to make a new effect, whether it's or even clean up an effect to make it easier in the eyes. So, I found out OpenClaw just kind of does emails, but Claude Code goes into my files and understands my workflow and builds it out based off how I kind of teach it. So I had to teach it a little bit. Some mistakes here and there, but once I taught it, oh my god, this right here, chat, this was all built by Claude Code. And I love apps that can recognize Claude Code because what happens is there are certain apps that have a server that understands what's going on. It's basically a natural language. So Claude will understand the language of the app and then that app can be adjusted through Claude Code. So, for me to do this, it's so hard to do that manually because you got to make the button the right size, blah blah blah. And it takes forever. I tell it, 'Hey, make it fit this Mac Mini and then make the font this, this, this, this.' And it did it. And all I need to do is link it with the software that I use and it's done.

D

Dan Clancy23:22

By the way, I think the interesting thing about Claude Code for you is, and I've talked to a lot of folks that use Claude Code, is there's a certain speed that our brain works in terms of our creativity and our ideas, but then it takes a certain amount of time to translate that into an artifact. And in the old world, the time it took to come up with a cool idea for an app or a program or something, and then the time to actually create the artifact that could accomplish that idea. In software engineering, sometimes it could be two, three, four weeks. And now with Claude Code, the frequency with which they can come up with ideas and then the time it takes to turn those ideas into reality shortens. And you're a great example where you're constantly coming up with ideas, your brain...

S

Sushi Dragon24:20

Rapid prototyping. Rapid prototyping.

D

Dan Clancy24:22

But it used to take you a fair amount of time to manifest your ideas.

S

Sushi Dragon24:28

Yeah, and I've started from scratch too many times, Dan. I used seven PCs. I hated updating seven Windows. So, I got it all down to a Mac Studio that I've talked to many times. So, now I'm down from seven PCs to just one Mac Studio doing really all the hard work. And it helps because understanding my software helped me tell Claude Code what to do for me. I think a lot of people consider AI to be a miracle worker and they're like, 'Make me this,' and they don't really understand the fundamentals of how to make this. So me being a tinkerer and getting into even plumbing, the basics of it, helps me utilize it more efficiently.

D

Dan Clancy25:25

No, the thing I find interesting is, having spent a lot of time with Sushi and I'm a pretty technical person, one of the things that I always go back and forth with Sushi when we're talking about something is I'm like, 'All right, that's cool, but we need to make it super simple so anyone can do it, not just you or me.' And that's probably one of the conversations we have the most where I'm saying, 'No, no, no. I know why that's so cool, but that can't be this.' And the beauty of Claude Code is it can turn a lot of people... we can't turn them into a Sushi Dragon, but you can turn them into closer to a Sushi Dragon.

S

Sushi Dragon26:08

Oh, go on.

D

Dan Clancy26:11

There you go.

S

Sushi Dragon26:11

Don't let me interrupt you with my effects because the people hearing can't see this.

D

Dan Clancy26:15

We have a question from chat. When it comes to making effects and avatars, how much of them are pre-made components versus designed from scratch?

S

Sushi Dragon26:31

They're all built by scratch and I hate it because it's all unconventional way of doing. I'm not using Resolume the way Resolume artists use it. I'm not using Chatane, which is kind of open, you can do anything. I'm not using OCPilot the way Deadmau5 designed it. And I'm not using a lot of these programs the way the industry people use it. Lighting.

D

Dan Clancy26:53

But you do, but Sushi, that is true, but you build off of these programs. Let's take for example, do you still... you're still using an old version of Snap Camera. Is that true?

S

Sushi Dragon27:05

Yeah. Yeah.

D

Dan Clancy27:06

Okay. So some of the effects you still have Snap Camera running.

S

Sushi Dragon27:12

Yeah. Yeah.

D

Dan Clancy27:14

Right. And so the interesting thing with Sushi is he doesn't do it all from scratch.

S

Sushi Dragon27:21

No, I manipulate. Manipulate. Yes.

D

Dan Clancy27:24

He pieces these things together.

S

Sushi Dragon27:27

Yeah.

D

Dan Clancy27:27

And gets them to work. So that's using Snap Camera right now.

S

Sushi Dragon27:30

Yeah. So what components? So yes, some of it's straight made from scratch and some of it's manipulated on existing consumer tech. Do you know why I use the word consumer tech a lot? Because those big AAA companies spend billions of dollars in R&D to make it reliable, to make the DJI reliable. And I kind of just skip that process of making things reliable and I just use it and then find what makes it reliable for me.

D

Dan Clancy28:09

That's okay. I'm not expecting you answered the question. We're going to move on to the next question.

S

Sushi Dragon28:14

All right. Let's go.

D

Dan Clancy28:15

Okay. Next question. He also wanted to know, help him understand, give him an example of something that took eight hours that Claude Code now does in, you know, 10 minutes.

S

Sushi Dragon28:27

It's easier to show than it is for me to explain. That's the reason why I dropped out like three times. I was one of those students who picked up visually and in person versus a student who just kind of has to hear the professor and listen. So, I do examples like this a lot. So, I would show them... like I'm showing my desktop right now and then I would show them how long it would take. So, this is a human trying to link up actions, right? So I'm linking up actions. I'm linking a generic action, linking to a parameter value, linking to a state that is another processor, consequence... I'm doing all this. This is all the work that I have to do.

D

Dan Clancy29:18

By the way, one way for them to think of this is since you're using so many of these other systems, you're often piping and connecting things together because you take this and then you route it to this and then that routes to using this API and so you have to piece all these other things together.

S

Sushi Dragon29:35

Yeah. A lot of work to do. Because a lot of the time the spending is just focusing and like, okay, don't miss this. Don't miss this connection because if I miss this connection, everything breaks. The robots never miss a connection because... I don't know, man. They're made out of metal. The way that Claude Code does it, it can make mistakes, but me being... I don't have to be conscious of making those tiny mistakes. I only have to see the bigger picture. It's like, 'Oh, hey, fix that. Oh, it doesn't work. Fix that.' So, that's the time saving.

D

Dan Clancy30:15

I'll tell you a story from my son. He is not an engineer. I was trained as an engineer. That's my background. Although it's been a while since I've written code. But he did not take any engineering in college whatsoever. No computer science. None whatsoever. He had hurt his back lifting and so he was stuck in bed and he couldn't move and he was in extreme pain. And one night he took out Claude Code to start building.

S

Sushi Dragon30:54

You see Sushi can't just stay. He has to be moving.

D

Dan Clancy30:57

I'm adding to your story.

S

Sushi Dragon30:59

Come on.

D

Dan Clancy31:00

He had an idea for this app about a kind of... not just a fitness tracker but a life tracker that you can track not just fitness goals and diet but other goals you want to set in your life and all that. And he had a particular idea and literally he just started coding it one night and he had a prototype like the next day that was a mobile app that he was playing with.

S

Sushi Dragon31:21

Look what I just built because he was up all night using Claude Code and he had a mobile app out there with someone with no computer science experience.

D

Dan Clancy31:32

And you know, it's really... so I do encourage people. I think the... and this is by the way, this is a great example, there's lots of challenges with AI. Okay, lots of challenges. And I think we particularly have challenges especially in the Twitch world as we start thinking about all the artists and creatives that AI might affect. Interestingly, software engineers, it's very different than when you think of an artist. There are all these people that never got trained in the craft of writing code because that took a lot of time and it was hard and it was complex. But that doesn't mean they don't have all these creative ideas about apps you can build. And they may be extremely creative. No, I'm saying these are non... These are people that were not trained as an engineer. And in fact, they actually have all sorts of creative ideas about a cool app that'll do this, a cool app, and they can describe everything, but they couldn't make it into a reality and an artifact. And now with Claude Code and other programs too, anybody that has an idea of something that can help them can make it into a reality. So, it really is a game changer for people that have all these creative ideas.

S

Sushi Dragon33:02

I mean, at the end of the day, what we're saying is Claude Code is great. Look, it's not that... that's the good story to sell, but getting there is not easy. Like even Claude Code, you have to understand why it's working or why it's working well for you.

D

Dan Clancy33:24

All right. This is what we're going to do. Sushi, we're going to move on to a new topic.

S

Sushi Dragon33:28

Yeah. Oh, we're going to go into a whole different...

D

Dan Clancy33:31

I got to keep you moving. I got to keep you moving.

S

Sushi Dragon33:34

Um, I got lasers. You guys want to see the lasers? Check these out.

D

Dan Clancy33:38

No, we're not doing lasers yet, Sushi. We're doing that after.

S

Sushi Dragon33:40

No lasers.

D

Dan Clancy33:41

We're doing that in a little while.

S

Sushi Dragon33:43

Okay.

D

Dan Clancy33:44

We're doing that in a little while. Okay. So, you have to tell me. I'm going to have two questions. First is in the past. Second is in the future. So, you've done a lot of really cool streams out in the world and doing things. You've done some with brands. Tell me one that... share one of the things you've done in the past and then I'm going to ask you to tell me about one of the things you're going to do in the future.

S

Sushi Dragon34:11

Oh. Okay. All right. First of all... Describe in words. Well, this is... can I do two things I can describe in the past? There's so many, Dan. So, Red Bull actually sent me a promo little thing. I used to be a host for a Red Bull show, a live show. So, they sent me this thing. It's cool. I show it off. I opened it and this whole thing lights up. Anyways, they sent me this. That means I'm still in their good grace. Hire me again. So in that box was a small little printer and in that printer I took a photo of chat and right here is a photo and Loyal Crystal says, 'You have to be the most interesting streamer on Twitch.' So then I put this little photo from Red Bull and I put it over here with the chat so I can always see those messages. Second thing, I would say the coolest... oh my god, there's so many activations I've done. There's Samsung, there's Nike. I would say the Nike one was wild because it used technology. The Nike one, they pretty much had contractors at New York City build out a theme park, like a Disneyland. I still have my Nike talent credentials. But they built out this whole live set for Kai Cenat, Bellesisters, me, and then we just live streamed it but I was able to use all my effects. So in this public event I would be like, 'Hey sir, would you like to go Super Saiyan?' He'd be like, 'Heck yes! If you go Super Saiyan, I'll give you a Nike shirt.' And he was like, 'Yeah.' So so many people did these effects in their own different ways, their own different characters. And I loved seeing my tools be used creatively in different ways. Sort of like Ari at Home, you know, giving the mic to someone else. This event, they build it out, but for their engineering team to make it work with my tech, I had to spend a whole day of like, 'Okay, here's how it works. There's a computer in there and I need someone to carry the computer around and have a giant screen so I can see the effects like a confidence monitor.' They're starting to use wireless technology that... spinning cameras and wireless technology. I just want to say shout out to Jay, Twitch staff. I love that guy. One of the very first Twitch staff members I worked with when I did the Jumbotron at TwitchCon. Oh my god, Jay, good to see you back.

D

Dan Clancy37:13

All right, so Sushi, I just want to say I think that's a great example. But I'm a little... I'm going to give you my answer for mine. And I'm a little hurt that this wasn't yours. It's when you and I streamed together and we did improv with the faces. That's mine.

S

Sushi Dragon37:31

Oh, damn. You thought that was good, bro. No, that... Dad was here one time, guys, and he danced with all the lasers. No, but this one was cooler. You were dancing with all the lasers.

D

Dan Clancy37:45

He wasn't in there. But the one that I thought was really fun was when we were down in Austin.

S

Sushi Dragon37:49

Yeah. Down in Austin.

D

Dan Clancy37:50

We were just hanging out, take a character, and suddenly we had to improv.

S

Sushi Dragon37:55

Yeah, but you didn't pay me like Nike did.

D

Dan Clancy37:57

No, I did not pay. Like speaking of which, we should figure out what cool things Twitch can sponsor next because I want Twitch to really push the creative and innovation category. The R&D.

S

Sushi Dragon38:12

Hold on.

D

Dan Clancy38:12

Now, we're going to do two last things.

S

Sushi Dragon38:15

Um, two future. You didn't ask me about the future.

D

Dan Clancy38:19

No, I'm going to... That's going to be the last one. But before that, I want to talk about the new tech that's getting you most excited that you have a bunch of people listening right now. And so what's some of the tech that they should be starting to play around with?

S

Sushi Dragon38:46

Okay. New tech they should... Spot this thing right here. I'm looking at it. It's great. It's great production equipment at a quarter of the cost of what production equipment would normally cost. Let's just give you an example. A PTZ camera of these features normally would be like a Panasonic or Sony.

D

Dan Clancy39:23

PTZ means pan tilt zoom for everyone.

S

Sushi Dragon39:26

Yeah. So that's what the professionals use at like industries, churches and stuff. Fifteen thousand dollars for one. You can get one of those for twelve hundred. And not only that, they have other systems like switchers where you notice how the latency on this phone is super low. It's using RTMP. It's not using wireless HDMI. It's not using phone-to-webcam software. I tried all of that. I tried R&D all ways to get the phone to send me a wireless signal back to me without having to carry a huge battery for wireless HDMI. This guy right here is low latency and it's working through an OBS Talent, which OBS Talent is right here standing here connected to an Ethernet cord connected to my phone that's giving me a wireless camera which I can switch around and be like that camera.

D

Dan Clancy40:24

So the beauty of what he's doing, because I know his brain moves so quick, he has that phone wirelessly to the OBS Talent and you could have multiple phones wirelessly to the OBS Talent. And so you can go anywhere and with the Talent you can set up scenes, you could set up three phones on different tripods and now wherever you are you have a multi-camera live streaming studio set up anywhere.

S

Sushi Dragon40:52

Yep. That's the new tech that's coming out. It's basically when something was out of reach for consumers because they taxed it. When YouTube before YouTube was a thing, you couldn't get access to production cameras.

D

Dan Clancy41:08

Until Sony and Canon came out with consumer...

S

Sushi Dragon41:12

Lens. Yeah. So it's more of they're opening up gates that was gatekept by industries like...

D

Dan Clancy41:25

They weren't gatekept, very expensive because they're...

S

Sushi Dragon41:27

High-end, yeah. They're very expensive because the only people who would buy it are people with infinite money, which is corporations and churches. So they sort of... there's a cooler word for that, Dan, when you give it access to the people. You trickled in. I don't know what it was, but these Spots are great. Look at the quality. I will zoom in. It's not a fifteen thousand dollar Panasonic quality.

D

Dan Clancy41:50

But does anyone even notice?

S

Sushi Dragon41:53

Like the quality is good enough. You can see the bokeh and everything, just not zoomed in enough.

D

Dan Clancy41:59

Yeah, you've zoomed in enough.

S

Sushi Dragon42:00

Yeah, I cancelled it right out.

D

Dan Clancy42:02

All right. So now the question is, what is coming up that everyone should know about in terms of something you're planning on doing?

S

Sushi Dragon42:14

Oh, for me? You bet, Dan. Well, I am co-executive producer for a show called Next, season two, and we're doing paid watch parties on Streamer Av. We're trying to get more people watching it. So, it's going to be live on Twitch then and we're doing paid watch parties in Streamer Av. But this show is a competition. I'm going to be co-piloting it. So, a lot of my ideas are going in. We're going to have people compete for a large prize pool as well.

D

Dan Clancy42:57

What do you think about that show? Huh? Next.

S

Sushi Dragon43:00

Well, I love your money money hat.

D

Dan Clancy43:02

So, roughly when is it going to be?

S

Sushi Dragon43:05

Coming out June 30th.

D

Dan Clancy43:07

All right.

S

Sushi Dragon43:08

And it's going to go from June 30th to November. So, guys, get in on this. Get in on the watch parties so you can earn some money money hat. Yeah, you like that money money hat, huh? So as a co-pilot, a lot of the behind the scenes that goes in behind is hard work, Dan. It's not easy for a streamer to do this. Having to go on meetings every day, green light this, X that, be like, is the logo like here? It's a new world. It's a new world out there. I think streamers have a lot of talent that they can go beyond their video game.

D

Dan Clancy43:58

So, Sushi, thank you for joining and thank everyone for tuning into the podcast. We stream it on Twitch with a live audience. Join us on twitch.tv/twitch for the next show where you can participate in chat. Follow Twitch on socials for announcements, timing, guests for future shows. Don't forget to rate and review. And most important of all, go look up the Sushi Dragon. So everyone, thanks for being here. See you in chat.

Dan Clancy talks to TheSushiDragon | Let's Chat Podcast EP 8

About Dan Clancy