Sydney Sweeney is probably going to be soon the youngest self-made female billionaire, but I don't think she's like winning it.
Hi everyone, this is Pivot from New York Magazine and the Vox Media Podcast Network. I'm Kara Swisher.
Hey Scott, I just flew in from California.
Oh, really? So did I before.
Oh well, here we are. But listen, I have a lot to tell you about things I've been doing this week, but we have a big announcement breaking late yesterday. We are going on tour.
Yes, we are. Super excited. Back in Canada. We've added Denver, which I'm excited about.
Well, let me let me see. We're kicking off November 2nd in New York City, and then we hit Toronto, Minneapolis, LA, San Francisco, and Denver. And you can head to pivotourre.com for tickets. We do sell out pretty quickly, so please get there. And we want all our fans there. And if you're not following us on social media, you're not going to get all the latest announcement. And our handles are in the show notes. But let me tell you something. It's going to be good. We're going to have so many so many amazing secret guests. Correct. We are.
I got to give it to you, Kara. You give good event. You're very good at this. Um, you know, I just kind of...
Is there anyone you absolutely want in any of these cities? Toronto, Sydney Sweeney.
As a palette cleanser, what do you think of all this controversy on the script?
You know, I don't care. I like it's stupid. I don't think it's a good ad. Okay. I just don't think it's a good ad. I think it's a stupid purant ad and it's not very clever. Like, if you go back and watch the Brooke Shields ads, which were very controversial, they're very funny. The dialogue is super funny. This is just dumb. It's like boobs. Oh, so boobs and some boobs. And I get why guys like it. What do you think? You like boobs.
Um, I think my taste is a little bit more... Well,
Oh, all right. I'm sorry. I forget that you've developed...
All the notion that it's ruining women's sports and the outrage. I think it's ridiculous. I think that if she were a black gay progressive, uh, it would be my body, my choice, sexist work, um, you know, girl boss, and instead because she's a white MAGA uh Republican, everyone's outraged. No, I think it's a double standard.
What's happening to you? Like, everyone's going away from Trump. You're moving that direction.
A critical thinker. This is entire identity escalation politics.
No, it's just a stupid ad. Like, I don't I don't really care.
I'm not talking about the ad. I'm talking about the reaction to it.
Oh, I don't know. I just, you know, I think if you if you're a woman in sports, you have made a lot of strides and it's irritating. It's it's...
Is it irritating when Sports Illustrated does an entire episode on their bodies? Is it irritating when US Open men take off their shirts to increase their clout?
No, it's not the same thing. You know, it's not. Then, by the way, the picture, go look at the pictures in... I knew you'd do this, but you go look at the pictures in Sports. I never loved the swimsuit issue. Whatever. I don't I don't really care if people want to look at ladies in bikinis. I just thought it's just dumb. And she's appeared in the second dumb ad. And I'm not sure what she's doing with her.
It might be a dumb ad. It's not ruining women's sports.
No, no, no. But it it's just like, oh my god, really? You're going to put basketballs in front of your nipples? Okay, sure.
What do you... Okay, we respect female entrepreneurs. We encourage women to be entrepreneurs. We do.
Uh, she's bought a ton of attention. She's going to make a ton of money.
Yeah, but listen, I would go if I were her, cuz I think she's a very talented actress. She's kind of taken a weird left turn off what I think is a very promising actor. Excuse me, I should say actor because I like to call that like...
She should so not be her agent.
She should so not be her agent.
No, but I don't think she's like winning it. I don't think she's winning. She could...
Sydney Sweeney is probably going to be soon the youngest self-made female billionaire.
How much? Okay, let's take a bet. How much is she going to make from that very offensive ad? I have no idea.
We'll see. I think she owns a stake in the company.
I get it. But so did a lot. Listen, this is I've seen this come and go. Actors and owning things. I'm just telling you. I think she's I think she's better. I think she's got some bad advice. That's my feeling.
So, you think she should have done a dramatic reading for some kale oatmeal company?
Mr. Anti-woke, which I don't know what's happened to you.
Yeah, you are. Well, you always go, 'Oh, V signal.' You anti-woke signal all the time.
Anoke signal. That's what you are, AWS.
I think it's just look, I would say someone she was on a show with, Zendaya, is sort of handling her career really interestingly and it's not cuz she she never utters a word about politics. By the way, I've never really heard her say anything.
Um, but I find I think she's sort of I think if Sydney Sweeney went in that direction a little more and focused on what a good actor she is, she would... I get that she has nice...
They have different assets. I guess I think she's actually talented.
I think so in White Lotus. I just think you can't stop looking at her boobs, right? That's the whole thing. It's the whole...
And why shouldn't she like men who...
Anyways, I don't care. I don't honestly care. I think she looks stupid. But whatever. She wants to look stupid. It's the second stupid ad, so I'm questioning her judgment.
You didn't like the jeans one either.
It was dumb. It was so like loaded and oh let's make...
Sold a ton of merchandise, made the company a ton of money.
It didn't it didn't it was it was not a win. That was not a win.
Not among young the young folk.
You're signing up for the narrative and ignoring the data.
Yeah. You don't I'm not ignoring the data. I don't think she I don't think she's I think she's going to have a less good career. We will see in five years who's the bigger star. Okay. Again, this is the man who said Taylor Swift was a passing phase or something like that. You don't. She kills.
I never don't put words in my mouth. I never said I never said Taylor Swift was a bad her down. You were always Stop it. I don't like her music. That's the crime against humanity that you have levied against me.
How many Taylor Swift concerts have you been to?
Uh, one big the big one. I couldn't afford to.
Okay, so we're tied. I've been to a Taylor Swift concert as well. I think she's an inspiration. I'm glad she is drawing outside of the lines and also has incredible talent and is making millions of dollars. Good for her.
Okay. All right. Karl Rove is about to vote Democrat in Texas and you're going the other direction. This is fantastic. Anyway, nonetheless, we're kicking...
Going to Texas to campaign for Taylor.
This will be Which one of us is going to like Baby Jesus? I know you love Baby Jesus. I know it. I know it. But let me tell you, we're kicking off. This is going to be a good tour. That's good. It's going to be a good tour. Baby Jesus.
It's That's what I call them.
Guest stars James Tarico and Sydney Sweeney doing a dramatic reading of Shakespeare's...
Oh, God. Taming of the Shrew. Um, I met him in Texas. You kindly I think introduced me to the PR person and um and he didn't like me calling him baby Jesus. And I said, 'Well, would you like... a little for for a pastor or whatever.'
I know, but he's so adorable. I'm so offensive. You call people so red pill that time. I call him baby Jesus. And then he says, 'Oh, that's not a good nickname.' And he knows all our nicknames.
Just call him BJ for short.
That's what I said. I said, 'I'll call you BJ.' He goes, That's There you go. That's...
That's an ad with Ted Cruz.
That's not Baby. He looks like Satan now with his weird beard.
Looks like Count Chocula.
Count Chocula. He does. Did you What did you like? What was it? Quis. Oh, that was Quake. We had to decide when we were kids. Do you remember that?
I did. I was like a charms.
Okay. I do too. That's my favorite. My My kids cultural appropriation of the Irish.
It is still excellent. It is still fantastic. Anyway, everybody, we have we're we're bantering and arguing since we're disagreeing and you're wrong. We have got to get once again.
I am right. We've got to get going because rivalry is heating up between the US and Canada this morning, as you know, our Canadian friends. But speaking of heated rivalries, get that Canada heated rivalries, we are bringing in Scott's other work wife to help us break it down. Please welcome the co-host of Raging Moderates, Jessica Tarlov. Her new book is out now. It's called I Disagree: Winning Arguments Without Losing Friends. Jess, welcome.
That's what this feels like. Like I got invited to the big house.
The one on top of the hill.
The one on top of the hill. We were just arguing before...
Our mom and dad having a fight. We were He's like going on about the great attributes of Sydney Sweeney.
And you would know more about the two of you. What's attractive in breast than I do? They do look great.
They do. They're fantastic. That's a nice car is making the point that if she was smarter, she'd focus on her acting capabilities cuz dramatic skills.
Oh, wow. Oh, she's going for the she's trying to get us to disagree and then I'll fix it or I'll just leave I'll leave you in a state of show off her rack like Dolly Parton did and also be talented. Is that correct?
She's both of those things. She's doing both of those things.
She's having a moment across different verticals, which is how you succeed. Yeah. You see what I did there? But also, there's a finite amount of time when you look like that. Oh, you can keep that going for a while.
You know what? I don't even I just love I love a woman who leans into her aging. I think it's really I love that confidence. And...
I just can't wait to look at 60-year-old breasts.
This is This is an uncomfortable conversation for me cuz I find that Kara, I really don't see age when it comes to women and I don't see looks. I don't see.
I'm going to show you my boobs in a second and then it's all going to end very quickly.
Do I have to show my boobs to come to everybody? But let's listen. This is...
Well, you know my You know my question when I meet a feminist, I ask them if they'd still be a feminist if they had bigger tits.
Oh, God. You wrong. Is that wrong? Is that wrong?
Yes, it is. Yes, we disagree. That's right up the...
