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Trump’s Canada Tariffs Are Backfiring in Red States | The Week

📅 Sep 11, 2026 The Prof G Pod – Scott Galloway 19 MIN 124097 VIEWS 26 SEGMENTS · 9 SPEAKERS
George Hahn connects the dots across the week’s biggest stories: AI’s growing threat to how we think, why Trump’s pressure campaign is backfiring in Canada, and the small acts of disconnection that quietly destroy a marriage. Your closet could use more Prof G. Shop the merch: merch.profgmedia.com 01:02 AI Turns Programmers Into Impresarios, Not Coders 02:34 When AI Homework Help Backfires at Exam Time 04:16 Trump vs Canada: A Hostile Divorce, Explained 07:23 Why Tariffs Are Making Carney More Popular 14:16 The Granola Story Behind One Divorce Case 17:38 The Secret to Marriages Where Everyone...

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George Hahn, host of The Week, opened by discussing AI's impact, citing economist Tyler Cowen's view that AI already works, particularly in programming where humans act as 'impresarios,' and Cowen's warning that cybersecurity will be a major negative, requiring a national and international effort. Hahn then reported on OECD data showing record-low reading and math scores among 15-year-olds, with FT's John Burn-Murdoch arguing that AI reliance in education is risky and can act as a crutch. Turning to the US-Canada trade war, Hahn relayed Scott Galloway's comparison to a hostile divorce, noting Canada's precision tariffs targeting red states like Michigan and Texas, and economist Mike Moffatt's observation that Trump's pressure is rallying Canadians behind Prime Minister Carney. Finally, Hahn introduced divorce attorney James Sexton, who argued that disconnection, not big conflicts, predicts divorce, illustrated by a client's story about granola and the atrophy of small gestures.

Key takeaways

  1. Tyler Cowen says AI already works and will not eliminate programmers but shift them to supervisory roles, while cybersecurity will be a major negative requiring national and international efforts.
  2. OECD data shows 15-year-old reading and math scores at record lows across 91 education systems, and AI reliance risks becoming a crutch that collapses when removed.
  3. Canada's tariffs are precisely targeting $25 billion in US states like Michigan and Texas, hitting red states hard, according to Scott Galloway.
  4. Mike Moffatt says Trump's pressure is making Canadians rally around Prime Minister Carney, giving him more ability to back away from a bad deal.
  5. Divorce attorney James Sexton says the biggest predictor of divorce is subtle disconnection, not big relationship killers, and small gestures can reverse the spiral.

Numbers and commitments

FigureWhat it refers toTypeAt
80% Drop in US alcohol exports due to Canadian consumer resolve metric 4:17
$25 billion Amount of Canadian tariffs landing in US states like Michigan and Texas metric 4:17
$700 billion US-Canada trade total last year metric 6:24
25 years James Sexton's experience as a divorce attorney other 13:57
nearly 3,000 people People killed in the September 11 attacks metric 18:30

Chapters

  1. 0:00AI's positive and negative impacts
  2. 1:49OECD education scores and AI reliance
  3. 3:53US-Canada trade war and tariffs
  4. 7:01Canadian perspective and consequences
  5. 13:57Divorce attorney on relationship failure
  6. 18:30Remembering September 11

Questions asked in this interview

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  1. 1:03Is the work actually being done?
  2. 4:17American consumers are like, 'Whatever, Trump, what's he doing?
  3. 8:07I mean, what are the other long-term consequences?
  4. 14:50Do you know what I'm talking about? Can you tell that story?
  5. 14:59And maybe it reverses, because what I said to her, 'What came first, the chicken or the egg?
  6. 17:38Well, it just occurred to me there's an old saying that, you know, the best marriages are when each person thinks they got the best deal, right?
George Hahn 0:03 ↗
Welcome to The Week from Puck Media, where we break down what mattered and what it all means. I'm George Hahn, and it's Friday, September 11th. Today, AI is getting smarter. Are we? Then, Trump wants Canada to fold. Instead, he may be strengthening its hand. And finally, what a divorce attorney says actually keeps a marriage together. Let's get into it.
First, AI. Ed and Scott spoke with economist Tyler Cowen, an adviser to AI labs who has been called the man who wants to know everything. The skeptics say AI is overhyped and unprofitable. Cowen isn't buying it. He thinks the technology already works. And when Scott asked where it's changing real work, Cowen pointed first to programming.
Tyler Cowen 1:03 ↗
And I don't think humans will disappear from programming, but they've already taken on a fundamentally different role. They're more like impresarios, and they're consulted in the meantime like, 'Oh, is this going in the proper loop? Is the work actually being done? Is this the thing I asked it to do?' Over time, more and more of that will be AIs themselves monitoring. But that's the clearest example of a very positive change. The biggest negative, I just think, will be cybersecurity. There'll be a lot more hacks. There's plenty of evidence for this already. Those cost the world a lot. We'll spend more on cybersecurity. It won't be fixed quickly, and I think it's a very real concern. We need a national, international effort to really firm up all of our major institutions as quickly as possible.
George Hahn 1:49 ↗
The upside may be real, but this week brought another warning about what happens when we let AI do too much of our thinking. The OECD released its latest global assessment of 15-year-olds across 91 education systems. Reading and math scores have fallen to record lows across OECD countries. AI didn't create that decade-long decline, but emerging research shows it could make the underlying problem worse. Students can appear to perform better with AI, then struggle when the tool disappears. Ed asked the Financial Times' John Burn-Murdoch what the evidence tells us.
John Burn-Murdoch 2:34 ↗
We're seeing this in all sorts of settings. We've seen this come out from US universities as well. So I think at this point there's a really solid case that relying on AI as part of the learning process is extremely risky in terms of it essentially being used as a crutch that, when taken away, people just collapse at the end. I think it's also just incredibly hard to enforce a ban on AI in the education setting where that doesn't happen. You can talk about having lockdown versions of ChatGPT, that kind of thing that encourage study hours, but ultimately if someone wants to cheat, they're going to find a way to cheat. We've seen this with all sorts of different forms of educational technology over the years as well. It's a really, really fine tightrope to try and tread, and we don't seem to be able to do that. I think as well we have this problem where a lot of the people in Silicon Valley who create these tools, they are people who have always worked really hard at school. They're always hyper-focused. They don't struggle with distraction. For them, it maybe seems obvious that, well, you know, kids who are given these tools are going to use them to learn even more. But I think that is just born out of a real disconnect from what real classrooms are like in modern-day UK, modern America, where just the ability to focus is a huge challenge for a lot of people.
George Hahn 3:53 ↗
So much for the smartest people in the room. The danger isn't that AI makes us less intelligent. It's that it allows us to avoid the work through which intelligence develops. And from one self-inflicted problem to another this week, the trade war with Canada came roaring back on Ragin' Moderates. Scott compared it to a famously hostile divorce.
Scott Galloway 4:17 ↗
This is kind of like, remember that, did you ever see the movie The War of the Roses with Michael Douglas and Kathleen Turner? Yeah. Forever ago. Yeah. But basically a very hostile divorce where they decide to stay in the same house. That's what this is. There are cars and auto parts that cross the border, the Canadian-American border, eight times before final assembly. You can't undo this marriage overnight. It's taken 30 years of NAFTA and all sorts of agreements. This is like a divorce where you live in the same town, go to the same church, and shop at the same Walmart and live in the same house. There's just nothing, nothing they can do. And in like all tariffs, the person who initiated it likely ends up on the losing end of this. Alcohol exports are down 80% from the US because Canadian consumers have something American consumers don't have, and that is resolve. American consumers are like, 'Whatever, Trump, what's he doing? Canada, I don't care. I'm going to go back to watching, you know, Beef or whatever my favorite streaming program is.' Whereas Canadians are rallied behind this. They are really upset and angry, and they are buying specific products that damage specific states. And kind of the tell here is $25 billion is landing inside of US states, Michigan and Texas. And I mean, they're going after the heart and lungs of some of these red states. This is kind of like threatening to stop talking to your business partner of 30 years because he won't let you renegotiate the deal every six months. This again is another attack on the structural. What has been probably the greatest unlock in prosperity in America has been international commerce and international trade, because we have a tendency to produce higher-margin, higher-value-added products that result in greater market capitalization. So every dollar in international trade accretes a disproportionate amount of shareholder and stakeholder value to the US, including our trade with Canada.
You just can't hate this guy enough. $25 billion, in the main scheme of the $700 billion in trade that we did with them last year, is small. It does, I mean, it's meaningful. It hits certain states and manufacturers really hard, which is intentional. I'm overwhelmed by the contrast between the precision with which Canada is doing this and the slop factory that seems to be our trade apparatus at this point.
George Hahn 7:01 ↗
The United States and Canada have spent decades building an economy neither country can easily disentangle. But if the Trump administration expected pressure to divide Canadians, it appears to be doing the opposite. On Wednesday's Prof G Markets, Ed spoke with Canadian economist Mike Moffatt about how this is playing out north of the border.
Mike Moffatt 7:23 ↗
I think Canadians are trying to take the position that we just shouldn't take the bait, right? That this is an attempt to get to us. So it's one of those things where we start to get angry and then we go, 'Okay, deep breaths. Let's just calm down. We don't, you know, this is what Trump is trying to get from Canadians. So let's calm a little bit.' But we're certainly not happy about it. And there is, you know, ironically, when those things happen, there is kind of a rally around the flag, and Carney himself gets more popular. So if the administration is trying to force Canada to sign the deal, this is probably the worst possible thing to do because it just makes Carney more popular in the eyes of Canadians and gives Carney more ability to back away from a bad deal.
Ed Bassett 8:07 ↗
What are some of the other consequences that you think will come out of this? I mean, is it possible that, for example, the relationship could never really be repaired? I mean, what are the other long-term consequences?

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